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Old 12-18-2000, 07:20 PM   #1
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Seems our Ifish BB is going thru a little flaming in a number of posts recently. This is of course common to BB forums of any kind; and with passionate fishermen with strong opinions we are going to be prone to occassional heated debate in threads. Especially during an historic and debated Pres. election, and less than ideal water and fish conditions prevailing this season so far. UsIfishers, , can get a bit grumpy and short in this scenario. This normalicy doesn't have to be such a negative thing. In fact, with proper communcation guidelines and some suggestions and remedies to improve our understanding of how a person is actually trying to come across, things will improve greatly, and debates can be a positive thing. ... With good timing, one of our members e-mailed me this eyeopener yesterday .....

"In light of what
is taking place on the board, like the Cataraft/Duct tape and the Umpqua
small mouth and now some long time IFishers are questioning the deleting of
the post on Catarafts, its getting a little crazy. Maybe we sometimes read
too much into a thread. I just recently took a class on Working with People.
The largest challenge and biggest problem is communication. And guess what, 80% of how
we communicate is not through what we say, but our body language, tone and
fluctuation in our voice. Too bad we can't write this in our post". ...

His last sentence is a key for internet BB communication. Writing and reading posts as really intended is downright difficult at times. We only have the written word, along with a few smilies (which in misuse or overuse can lose their capacity to inflect meaning into our words). To a lesser degree we also get to know member's personality types, thus can better understand what they are saying; and importanly can be helped to decipher whether a person's post is lighthearted to kidding around, or is a serious contention needing to be addressed by reply. But personality developement can still be misread sometimes. I think we should come up with suggestions here about how we can improve communication; both for giving and interpreting posts. ...

I will start with a good suggestion given me by Gregg (Hookset), and try to come up with one also (maybe more after I get a few winks of sleep). ...

Gregg - When you either don't fully understand a post, or more importanly are offended by a post, before you react with an angry reply, instead reply with a question asking for clarification of what the offending person has said; "did you mean to say this or say that", because if it is "this, I am a bit offended by it; will you clarify what you a mean in another reply post please". That way the poster has the option of correcting a misunderstanding or explaining their reasons for a stance taken.

RT - Less usage and more accurate usage of 'smilies'. I think I may use too many? I know some members do, and sometimes the choice of smilie doesn't match their actual demeanor. The most prominent one is the green grin face. I have seen it used to emphasize a joke, to tease, or even for an 'in your face' grin point. We need to decide what each smilie is going to interpret, using the BB descriptions of them for a starting point, and try to use them appropriately and consistently. This especialy applies to the post demeanor smilie to start with outside the message box. If you have a smile or grin on there, don't turn it into a negative flame post. That way when there is a marginal post people will know that it's an intended lighthearted jest, not a flame. Same principle within messages; use after sentence or after paragraph smilies properly for much better communication. We don't have that "80% of communication factors" to use in posts, so we need to make the best use of the tools which we do have. ...

Members, please post your feedback and suggestions within this thread. Thanks much! - RT
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Old 12-18-2000, 07:45 PM   #2
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Old 12-18-2000, 08:13 PM   #3
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Thank you RT.

I have been going over the majority of the topics today and it sounds like the fishing isn't too good. It is nice to have a place to voice opinions and test our theories and beliefs against others. However, I believe that we must be open to other people's opinions and realize that we are all different and have different things that steer our opinions. The ability to listen and fully respect the opinion of others is one that I don't admit to being perfect at. But, I know that I have learned a lot from just listening and using the parts that are good for me and leaving the rest alone.

I am just thankful that I live in a country that provides myself and my family comfortable and secure place to live and a democracy with a constitution which allows things like this bulletin board to ramble on and on about my beliefs.

And by the way, thanks to everyone for their FISHING advice and tips.

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Old 12-18-2000, 09:57 PM   #4
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I think we should make Hairball the forum guide for 1 week to cool things down to a fishing zone....

R.T. Thanks for the input!

We need to get back to a fishing board and away from the political hot bed. A little of that is O.K. but it has been a little over powering lately.

Fishfinder is on target! Lets have some fun. Fishing is picking up and lets share that!

Sturgeon has been pretty good....5 keepers in last 4 weeks.....

I have no secrets and willing to show and share!

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Old 12-19-2000, 07:50 AM   #5
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I find that when out fishing with friends that conversations always tend to drift into many different areas, especially when fishing is slow. That is part of fishing for me...the conversation.

This is a slow time of year, and the lack of vitamin D gets some of us edgy. As long as you don't take this stuff to heart (this is, after all, just a bunch of text on a screen), then you will be ahead of the game.

I really haven't seen any posts as of late that do not impact fishing, and therefore they are within the realm of the board. If these "off-topic" posts bother so many folks then maybe there needs to be an off-topic forum. Or a disclaimer saying "If you don't wanna read it, don't click on it". Whichever works.
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Old 12-19-2000, 12:13 PM   #6
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Greetings. Just recently discovered this site and enjoy it very much. Something a professor friend of mine told me 25 years ago is appropriate here... "learn to seperate rhetoric from reality, don't get personal and don't take it personally". This was in regards to the "art" of debate.
Standing waist deep in the river last Sat. am, casting and feeling part of the experience, watching a steelhead at least 18" long swim past me upstream, not 3 feet away, what a rush! That's what it's all about, that and sharing the experience with others. (especially children). I look forward to this board. zip

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Old 12-19-2000, 02:23 PM   #7
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I can't agree more, I mean that hey_yall guy really gets my panties in a bunch. Then that Osprey feller...whew weee don't even get me started on how offensive he is. Reality vs. Rhetoric is exactly my point. And I know I got a few 'amens' from my reply to the thread about catarafts and duct tape. I just wish I could have seen what other replies the original received....but it was deleted...I guess for racial reasons since I am a white male living in the United States of America. Sadly, moreso, the political correct BS...err...NW. I am going out in the streets and burning my bra...well I will go buy one, then burn it. If you thought looking at that fish was a rush, you should have seen the 2 silvers I landed this weekend Yes, that's right, the sexiest ****'n fishermen (I said ****'n, I surely hope no one finds offense to that, if you do, then don't rent The Shogun of Harlem) slayed the fish again. I am telling you folks, a camera is the lucky charm. No camera = no fish. Camera = fish. I haven't been skunked fishing with my lil bro all year. Although I was out fishing for winter steelies and caught the silvers. A fish is a fish when it comes to fishing for the anadromous species in my book. Well back to my "break" Elvis has left the building.
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Old 12-20-2000, 06:00 AM   #8
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If you're going to try to get across your point on the phone or by this method, you have to substitute something for that 80%. Communication is really all about listening more than blurting out your immediate reaction. Personally I hate the phone. I think we were all a lot better off talking over the back 40 fence.

All we can do here is read very carefully and try to understand the different points of view. For Pete's sake don't change the opinionated part of this deal, it's the best part. People come out with what they think and some of us are forced to look at our beliefs in a different light.

BTW, it's only friends that we can tell what is on our minds. We do this because we know they will accept it and at least try to understand. Even if they completely disagree!! Guess that makes this board a bunch of friends. Is that all bad?

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