Outrigger ?

Bait O' Eggs · 07-21-2006, 09:37 AM

Its time I added some outriggers,

It will either allow me to add more lines to knit the sweater faster, or allow me to spread the current number of lines out

I got started welding up something last night that will look like it belongs on an Edwing

My questions is what angle should they mount at?

I have seen some that are pretty steep and I would guess at 45 degrees up from level :tongue: and I know I have seen some Kujo was running a couple years ago that were almost flat on the water.

I dont want them slapping the water, but the lower the better I would think to keep the line out of the wind

I have never fished a boat with outriggers so it will all be a learning experience. :tongue:

Would about 30 degrees up from level be about right???

I am thinking about 14 or 15 feet long. Strong enough to tow a boat in on each side at the same time with if I had to,

and fold & store and transport out of the way.

KeyWest · 07-21-2006, 09:42 AM

Mine run 45 degrees. The flatter you run them, of course, the wider the spread. But - you need to keep them out of the water!

crabbait · 07-21-2006, 09:43 AM

I would say between 30-45 degrees up and about 45 degrees back. You want the end of the poles to be about even with the back of the boat. That way you have a lot less slack when the clip goes poing!

Mine are 18' and if you are only running a single line per rigger 15' or even 12' should be enough. I can't wait to see what you come up with Mr. Goldberg!

Eaglecap · 07-21-2006, 10:00 AM

I guess i haven't paid enough attention to the ones i have seen. I also am building a set but didn't even think about the angle back.
Do most of them do that?
Does make sense if you are using rod clips but wouldn't have thought of it.

Thanks

KeyWest · 07-21-2006, 10:07 AM

Mine are staight out - not swept back. Mine are the collapsable Taco brand - 15', 4 eyes per pole. I run 3 release clips per pole (the outside 3). The inside eye I run a teaser line. I use a triple Hal-Lock to run the halyards through. AFTCO roller release clips.

Chesapeake · 07-21-2006, 10:40 AM

Ours are 15 foot. Mounted on the rail at the back corners of the cab. The bases are adjustable for angle, they will do flat, about 30, about 60, and vertical. They stick out directly to the sides with no sweep back. The bottom 7 feet is aluminum tube and the top 8 feet is fiberglass rod blank with 4 eyes. We run two haylards per outrigger with one release clip per haylard. The poles are 2 piece and removable from the bases for transport.

We fish with them in the "about 30 degree" position because if out flat they hit the water.

The newer trick outriggers have the haylards ran through the inside of the pole. This would be nice to help prevent tangles and keep a clean look.

Tower Todd · 07-21-2006, 10:43 AM

If you can build your own mounts then take a look at the Taco retractable style that are for sale on ebay. I have looked at several style of mounts and I just can't see why they cost as much as they do. The Tacos are reasonable and nice to be able to get out of the way for other things. As mentioned above, you want the tips of the outriggers when deployed to be even with the transom if possible, although it is more of an advantage when marlin fishing. The stiffer the rigger the better release you will have also. If you ever decide to head for Mexico and troll some bigger stuff they will be ready. Not only that but they will be stiff enough to fly all of you release / kill flags for all of the fish you caught (hopefully)!

Bait O' Eggs · 07-21-2006, 10:46 AM

having never fished an outrigger, never seen an outrigger fished up close, all I can do it think how I might rig and use this arm sticking out the side of my boat.

I assume this aftco roller release is tied directly to the outrigger? What keeps you from tieing the release mechanism to a rope and dangle it behind the outrigger to get the same 45 degree angle as mounting the outrigger at a 45 degree angle? :whazzup: :whazzup:

I assumed with handlines I would tie handline directly to the outrigger, run a short rope out to the handline and tie the rope to a ring which I put around the handline. When a handline got bit, I would pull the rope, allowing the ring to slide down the handline until it got close enough I could grab the handline and then continue pulling the handline when I dropped the rope with a ring on it

When fishing a rod, I would do the same thing, but I would have a release mechanism back far enough the ring could slide down to it and I can pull it in. When setting lines I would let go of the rope with the ring after I had it hooked up, and as it swung back out the ring would slide up the line between the outrigger and the release

Am I completely off base here? :whazzup:

Will I have to run a pulley system to get the release in and out of my reach? Is this pulley system what your calling a Halyard?

Reelentless · 07-21-2006, 10:57 AM

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Will I have to run a pulley system to get the release in and out of my reach?

Yes. You can buy a kit that has all the stuff you need to rig them. I would keep it simple to start. Run one release off each outrigger.

Also, you wouldn't want your lines permanently attached to the outriggers. Run the lines through release clips. The release allows the fishing line (or handline) to break free when you get a strike, much like a downrigger release.

Here is a link with some info.

http://www.georgepoveromo.com/nononsenserigger.htm

Tower Todd · 07-21-2006, 11:03 AM

There are many ways of rigging the halyards. What you are talking about is setting up tag lines. The advatage of tag lines is that is provides a more direct line from the rod tip to the lure / bait (not much if any drop back). The disadvantage to the tag lines I've used is that if they are not set up porperly they get tangled somthing nasty. The boat is rocking and the riggers are flexing and the tag lines wrap around the poles or othe halyards and create one more thing to unwravel. To be effective, tag lines need to get set up with tag line returns and the poles need to be set up at enough angle to allow the return to slide down the halyard back towards the boat once the strike happens.
Here is a link to tag line returns: http://www.meltontackle.com/shopping..._search=894402

The thing I'm not sure about is if the small clones will have enough drag in the water to be able to keep the tag line return in position. On a typical marlin lure that is not a problem. When set up properly tag lines are awesome - when the stike happens, the return lowers itself to near the gunwale and if the stirke was missed, then you just reclip, drop the lure back to it's position and you're done. No cloths lining the halyards up and down all day.

Here is a link to rigger set up. It is aimed at the large sportfish rigs, but still some good info.
http://www.marlinmag.com/article.jsp?ID=43081

Hope this helps. Good Luck,
Tower Todd

Bait O' Eggs · 07-21-2006, 11:10 AM

I had seen that article before, it didnt have any pictures so I was a bit confused when I left it

I will be walking the docks this weekend, looking at outriggers.

Tower Todd · 07-21-2006, 11:14 AM

O.K. - Here's another one for a small boat (very small), With some pics, gunwale mounted.

http://www.charkbait.com/article/outriggers.htm

Tower Todd

crabbait · 07-21-2006, 11:17 AM

I intend to be around the boat most of the day, Roy. D-9

Tower Todd · 07-21-2006, 11:20 AM

Here's another one with pics (my last one today - I promise)... Hopefully you can get some ideas. Like it says: location, location, location.

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/shows_dssb/episode/0,2046,DIY_14307_25810,00.html

Chesapeake · 07-21-2006, 11:59 AM

Here is another link that has a good picture of how it all lays out.

http://www.fishing-catalog.com/SOSProd/rigging.htm

I think once you look at these pics alot of your questions will be answered.

Onokai · 07-21-2006, 12:16 PM

I have 2 sets of poles one is a taco set like Deans I never use them much unless I have overhead opstructins I now run a pair of 18 foot fixed poles the mounts are completly adustable for all angles _That said I run mine almost flat out-or 90degrees-actually just a tad up from there- There are 90 to the hull front to back and are off my t=top so they are really up out of the way. Makes for a 40 foot spread of lures
Dean are you running 2 rod per outrigger and a teaser??

I can run 9 rods this way but choose to limit it to 7-the kaos is just to great. I to like the halyard line tension. This whole thing would be easier to talk about on the phone. I'll Pm you my # as I;m in the studio all of today-glazing pottery, Mark
here is the old set up retracted

Bait O' Eggs · 07-21-2006, 12:20 PM

I appreciate all the help, I really do.

I have googled up all those articles and pics in the last couple weeks as I pondered how I could kill more fish with more equipment

All those pulley systems seem like a pain, but maybe they are the ticket, lots of people have been doing this longer than I have.

I got 9 feet of outrigger extension assembled last night. I think I could support each end and hang in excess of 1000 lbs in the middle and it wouldnt fail.

Not sure how I am mounting it to the boat yet, but I am in building mode now, mounting and rigging is just details

Once I get it on the boat, I will figure out how to use it to kill more fish has been my general plan.

KeyWest · 07-21-2006, 01:10 PM

I run 3 rods per outrigger plus a teaser - so I use all four eyes per outrigger. I have the teaser reel mounted on the outrigger mount.

My typical setup is 6 rods on the outriggers (3 per side), 2 teasers (1 per side) on the outriggers, two rods off stern clip (keeps them low to the water), one rod down the middle waaaayyyy back, one rod down the middle - midway back, two handlines with dive boards on the stern cleats. So a total of 12 lines.

It does take a bit of teamwork to negotiate all of this when you get a fish or more on - but it's doable.

crabbait · 07-21-2006, 01:16 PM

Keywest, you are using your outriggers completely differently than I am. My outrigger line is a single loop with an Aftco clip. If I want to run more than one line off the outrigger I use stackers just like on a downrigger. Are you running separate loops out to each guide ring? That must be an amazing set-up!

KeyWest · 07-21-2006, 04:32 PM

Yes, separate loops out to each release clip. I use a triple Hal-Lock pulley. No release clip on the teaser - just a glass loop tied to the eye on the outrigger.

They work very well - you can independantly run each of the lines up or down, etc. It's a bit busy, but it doesn't tangle. I will take a picture and post - probably tomorrow.

Mr. Fisherman · 07-21-2006, 04:41 PM

Roy,

I have the Taco gunnel mount 15' units and they are awsome.
I like the way they are adjustable. On smooth days I can about lower them the water and really spread out. On rougher days I can run them up so they don't plow into the waves or swells.
You are welcome to come take a look at them if you like...
Let me know.

Killertraylor · 07-21-2006, 09:19 PM

Roy - I was just as confused as you were when I set mine up last summer. I got the Taco Striker bases - they are for 1 1/8 inch poles, but they work awesome - it's a flush gunnel mount and when you lift them and spin them (kinda like a scotty rod holder) they turn and lay flat on the gunnels for travel (with poles collapsed) and then you turn them to put them in fishing position. I used them a few trips last year with fiberglass outrigger poles and really need to get the Taco sturdy aluminum poles - the fiberglass ones are just too flimsy. The striker bases are only about $100 and are sturdy stainless - you'd just need to taper your poles to an inch and an eighth to get them into the bases.

I also need to get a good outrigger rigging kit - I just rigged mine the way I thought they would work and as Ron White would say "I WAS WRONG!!!" They did work, but not like I intended - too much hassle and loose halyard line laying everywhere. Get the good AFTCO release clips - they work really slick. I also got flatline clips for the rods going out the back corners - keeps the lines low and out of the wind for the stern rods.

Good luck - let us know how you end up rigging!

Joe