Arrow costs

gottafish · 07-15-2006, 12:26 PM

Hey I saw somthing this week that blew me away. Aluminam arrows were more than carbons. LOL No kidding. I got my son 1 doz beemens 340 carbons for 60 bucks at presision archery. and they didn't have aluminim arrows. went to broken arrow and they wanted 70 bucks for 2315 game getters told me I need to convert.

I guess I am from the old school if something works good then stick with it. I went to cabelas online and got a doz 2315 for 40 bucks. but now I need to get them fletched. Are carbons the way Of the future or what??

oregonoutdoors · 07-15-2006, 01:24 PM

You Are OLD SCHOOL. Carbons are so much better than aluminum, I don't know anybody would still be shooting them.

gottafish · 07-15-2006, 01:34 PM

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You Are OLD SCHOOL. Carbons are so much better than aluminum, I don't know anybody would still be shooting them.

So What do you recommend to replace 2315's ? I am clue less when it come's to carbon.

oregonoutdoors · 07-15-2006, 04:00 PM

It has been a over a decade since I last shot aluminum, so I am not really up on the spine by sizes. I have always shot a little bit over spined for carbons, in order to get extra weight. If you want top of the line I would recommend Easton Axis. For a good hunting shaft that is cheaper I would recommend Gold Tip hunters, I have killed more than a few animals with these. The axis arrows should run about $90/dzn fletched/cut/inserts, and the GT's will run about $50/dzn. Carbons are more durable than aluminum, so if you were to switch over completely now the initial investment will have paid for itself by next season when you don't have to buy as many new arrows to replace your bent/broken aluminum arrows. Once you go to carbon you will never look back.

McBaine · 07-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Reason why you basically have to order Aluminum now is two fold. First there are dozens of different sizes avaiable for each style. With carbon there are only 4 or 5 sizes for each style. From a retailer point of view going to all carbon frees up feet upon feet of shelf space for other goodies. Second, in talking with Easton, the average shooter will go through 2 dozen aluminum arrows each year. Where as if he switched to carbon, that drops to 8 arrows a year. It wouldn't suprise me to see in 10 or 15 years that aluminum arrows are no longer made.

gottafish · 07-15-2006, 07:45 PM

Interesting, I don't like carbons becuse they are so darn lite. I hear that to get the weight up you have to stuff them with aquarium tubeing. I don't much care for the speed end of the equation I think a sharp head with a heavy arrow is the ticket. my son shoot 340 beemens and they seam ok but he's gone through a few.

Hoosier Daddy · 07-16-2006, 09:28 AM

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Interesting, I don't like carbons becuse they are so darn lite. I hear that to get the weight up you have to stuff them with aquarium tubeing. I don't much care for the speed end of the equation I think a sharp head with a heavy arrow is the ticket. my son shoot 340 beemens and they seam ok but he's gone through a few.

There's plenty of good reasons to shoot aluminum, or wood. It all depends on your setup. With my recurve, I concentrate on a good-flying arrow with some weight to it. I'm never going to be shooting an arrow so fast that I need to squeeze an extra 5 fps out of it. I haven't tried a carbon in many years, so I'm out of date on them. Last time I did, the darned things flopped all over and never did straigten up and fly for me. I know they were probably wrong spined, but that turned me off. If you can hit what you're aiming at, why switch?

Oh, and does any one remember that post with the pictures of the guys arm full of carbon splinters from a nicked arrow shaft? There's one reason to shoot something else :grin:

Yeti · 07-16-2006, 11:14 AM

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It wouldn't suprise me to see in 10 or 15 years that aluminum arrows are no longer made.

Thats what they said about cedar so many years ago.

I like my carbons but have never shot Aluminum. I would love to shoot cedar.

Yeti

Limbhanger · 07-16-2006, 12:51 PM

I am on my second season with a batch Easton Epic 340's. I wouldnt go back to aluminum if they were 20 bucks a dozen.
You wont be dissapointed if you make the switch.

PullShootExplode · 07-16-2006, 02:05 PM

carbons are great. You can start out mid range with Beemans they go for about 40 a dozen fletched and ready to go or you can spend more. They hold up better, don't bend and you get more consistency in some down to .003 for straightness. Oh and they are tough. I tend to buy a dozen at the beginning of each year, shooting year round they last a couple of seasons before I retire them. The one thing I will say is too always check them before you shoot. I have seen pics of exploded arrows and that looks like it hurts really bad so I do a bend test before I shoot.Good luck and have fun whatever you choose.

gottafish · 07-16-2006, 04:31 PM

Thanks guys< I have shoot POc and aluminums but the carbon thing never got ahold of me, When the fifst cam out my buddy got some and we had the same bows and same poundage I shot a bull at 40 yards and pulled it into the front shoulder. the arrow went clean through both shoulders. about two days later my buddy shot a elk in the same spot with his carbons and it didn't penitrate. Now That in itself put me off to it. but All I hear is good things about them so I guess I need to make the switch.

in 'em · 07-17-2006, 08:50 AM

I switched to Carbon's after bending all my aluminums with every missed target...Carbon's are darn near indestructable.

As for weight...I shoot a very old compound...like from the late 70's early 80's...I got the easton epics, full length and dipped to add weight. They fly great.

Good luck all! Aug. 26 is coming!!!!

Fish Slayer · 07-17-2006, 09:15 AM

One thing I noticed when I switched over is its kind of a trade off really. With the carbons you getter a faster arrow that penetrates more than an aluminum. Aluminums are a little slower and may not get the same penetration as a carbon, but when my dad and I were shooting a while back he had just made the switch and we noticed that when the carbons hit the target, they went in farther than the aluminums, but the aluminums darn near knocked the target over. Its really like 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other to me. I love the carbons because of the durability and penetration, but there are some things I miss about the aluminums.

ehunter · 07-17-2006, 09:54 AM

Rich you will have to change your arrow rest and broadheads every thing if you go carbon I will shoot al untill they are not long avaible. good luck.

where's your bobber dude · 07-17-2006, 09:55 AM

If you do some research you find out that Carbons are much better. I stopped using aluminum arrows because they bend so easy. I use the same broadhead and rest as I did with my aluminums. If you need to replace them it's likely because they need to be replaced anyway. I'll never go back!!

Easton's website has a shaft selector which will help you find an equivalent carbon shaft.

Hunters Friend website explains the numbers well. http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhe...-selection.htm

Remember that most carbon arrows are made for target shooting. Make sure to buy a hunting arrow that has enough weight. I prefer Gold Tip XT's.

where's your bobber dude · 07-17-2006, 10:23 AM

Check out this simple calculator for Kinetic Energy. http://www.archeryexchange.com/infor...lculator.shtml

A 400 grain arrow at 270 has more kinetic energy than a 500 grain arrow at 240.

Have your speed checked at your local bow shop and make sure your setup has plenty of punch.

ehunter · 07-17-2006, 11:19 AM

This is a old story I can promise you that a al arrow or wood arrow in the lungs will do all the damage needed. I have shot my fair shair of game with a al arrows and they work fine if I want to attempt to shoot 50 yards I will go with a muzzel loader it is not the bow or the arrow or the broadhead it is the shooter...

in 'em · 07-18-2006, 11:01 AM

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it is not the bow or the arrow or the broadhead it is the shooter...

OH SO TRUE!

for the hunt...for practice however, nothing beats carbon for the durability and it won't bend...and you have to practice with the same arrow you hunt with...

carbon wins out in my book, unless you have a lot of money to spend on aluminum's and want to order arrows a lot!

:grin:

Irish Pennant · 07-18-2006, 11:44 AM

Al-v-Carb, I shoot both, I'm not a perfect shot, I've hit critters where the arrow penatrates the rib cage and then sticks the inside of the shoulder on the opposite side, uphill quartering away. When this happens, the critter takes off running and the al will break off on limbs and what ever and leave a good blood trail, the carbon is so tough that the arrow will plug the wound and there's just not much of a blood trail. I never lost an animal when it was hit with aluminum or had any trouble finding it. I lost one that I hit with carbon and I've had couple that was a challenge to find. If al cost $20 more than carbon I'd still keep a dozen around.

ehunter · 07-18-2006, 12:50 PM

OK I want to apolgize for my cracks on carbon I have never shot them and I am slow to make changes. I don't bend that many arrows and I don't lose them very often. The one arrow I have bent this year was witnessed by Gottafish who had a good laugh and I might add I chuckled too. I am in that catagory that if if works why switch. So with that being said I am trying to get more modern I may even buy a range finder this year :grin:

If it works use it...but I was shocked that the prices have changed that much. Ok guys if I wanted to play with these new fangled carbon arrows. What arrow would I use to replace a 2315, 31 inch shaft at 65 lbs shot with my fingers

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thanks

gottafish · 07-18-2006, 02:59 PM

Im thinking the 340's Lloyd I called Jerry and thats what he's shooting. but Im not sure

ehunter · 07-18-2006, 03:05 PM

Rich what are you shooting now? 2313? If so would our arrow rest still work I am worried about the shafts being a lot skinnier than my currrent arrows. I may have to go in and talk to Mike at Archers Afield I will probably wait until next spring....

gottafish · 07-19-2006, 12:33 AM

Im shooting a 2315 but I think im going to wait till spring before I change my set up. I may go to a drop away.

in 'em · 07-19-2006, 07:19 AM

ehunter...see my earlier post...I shoot an old compound (late 70's early 80's?), no sights, fingers, flipper rest, 65# draw weight, 31" draw length...aka..."traditional compounder"

I'm using Easton Epics with 340 spine and the following to make them as heavy as possible...full length shafts (32.75"), dipped with 5" vanes. They fly great and you cannot bend them...only shatter them on a rock or crack them by hitting something at a very wierd angle :grin:. As long as you don't lose 'em they'll likely last a many times longer than aluminum.

ehunter · 07-19-2006, 07:46 AM

Thanks in em boy you and I are like prehistoric shooters I will wait until spring and check them out. I may have to make a change boy I hate changes grin!!! I am still considering getting rid of my darn sight pins....and going back to instictive shooting.

thanks

Beamerfish · 07-19-2006, 10:43 AM

I'm with ehunter on this one. I'm pretty new to the archery game but I've been shooting aluminum since the get go and have been happy with them. They pack alot of punch and I don't really have any trouble with them bending. They also seem to be more foregiving of my sometimes sketchy shooting technique and my bow doesn't seem to be as loud with the heavy poles as it does with the carbons. The other thing is if I tick a carbon arrow with another tip and mark it, it is done but with the aluminums, no problem. Right now I'm focusing more on my shooting than my arrows.

fergy61 · 07-19-2006, 11:03 AM

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Thanks guys< I have shoot POc and aluminums but the carbon thing never got ahold of me, When the fifst cam out my buddy got some and we had the same bows and same poundage I shot a bull at 40 yards and pulled it into the front shoulder. the arrow went clean through both shoulders. about two days later my buddy shot a elk in the same spot with his carbons and it didn't penitrate. Now That in itself put me off to it. but All I hear is good things about them so I guess I need to make the switch.

Carbons will out penetrate aluminums by a mile anytime. Try it for yourself. Do a test side by side & you'll change your tune. :smile:

where's your bobber dude · 07-19-2006, 11:46 AM

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The other thing is if I tick a carbon arrow with another tip and mark it, it is done but with the aluminums, no problem.

I haven't broken a carbon arrow in over a 2 years. What kind of brittle carbon arrows are you using???

Gold Tip XT arrows are top notch.

Beamerfish · 07-19-2006, 12:41 PM

I haven't broken a carbon arrow in over a 2 years. What kind of brittle carbon arrows are you using???

Gold Tip XT arrows are top notch.

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I need to give carbons another try - the ones I had were some old ones my brother gave me.

ehunter · 07-19-2006, 02:31 PM

I have seen some broken graphite arrows and for awhile you had to be carefull not to get a graphite sliver..are these new arrows different???

As to penitration of AL vs Carbon a lot of it has to do with arrow head. I do know this bales that will hold my arrow but will not hold my partners arrow but I always thought it was because I was shooting logs