what a waste

[Dances]

I went fishin today for chum. Got skunked but anyway I was jsut lookin around on the bank and there were a bunch of dead chums with the bellys slit open and the eggs taken. Now I know this might not sound to bad but on my way out to my grandpa's and I stoped along the road to have a peak at the river. Well I went to the edge and when I looked over there must have ben over 1000 chum hen and buck just dumped because the eggs are worth more th then meat. Now we all have to listen to the native americans complain about not having any fish and pointing the finger at every one else. When maybe they should be looking at their own people and the way they abuse the enviornment. Well just my $.31

[Wet Willie]

That is a waste. Where were you at when you saw this?

[ripalip]

Things like this happen a lot more than people may think. In my neck of the woods, a local tribe nets Chinook, then peddles the eggs to who ever will buy them. Haven't seen any dumped though, but sure they are being disposed of some place. It's their heritage you know. At least that is what we have been led to beleive.

Tight lines!

------------------

[Mike H]

FishheadJr.31,

How do you this was the doing of Native Americans?

Mike H

[bswim]

I'm not sure where you're at, but up here in Washington we have a huge chum that returns to the Hoodsport hatchery. Every year on the news they show the beach literally covered with dead carcasses with the bellies slit open and eggs missing. The residents raise hell about the stinch, can't say as I blame them.
My biggest problem with the whole situation is that the state of WA says they don't have enough $$ to maintain other steelhead and salmon hatcheries so they close them down. But at Hoodsport they subsidize the netters(mainly tribal). Why dump all this $$ into a fish that no one wants the meat of. Lets get some good chinook,silver, and steelhead runs going.
I guess this shows which side of the fishing issues our state government is on.
By the way, way back when the game dept and the fisheries dept were seperate the sportsman finally raised enough hell and ousted Kurt Smitch(think that was his name) because of the poor job he was doing. Guess where he went next.....the North Amereican Trawlers Assoc. Tell me who's interest he was looking out for. Last I heard he was working for the National Marine Fisheries Service trying to restore the endagered salmon. Thats like putting the fox in the henhouse to protect the hens.
Just my 2 cents.
BSwim

[Smj]

What river FishheadJr.?

[Dances]

I know it was the natives because oth here in shel. they are the olny ones aloud to net the river and hatchery. It is such a waste.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Jr
I think I can add to your story. When leaving Hoodsport hatchery headed for the boat ramp today we were forced to stay way off the shore because of all the nets. Most of the nets had a boat tending them removing fish about noon. One of the nets had a boat floating near the end of the net. As I passed it, I saw the boat operator throw a fish overboard, then another. I stopped and used the binoculars to look a little closer. The man had a knife in his hand and appeared to be cleaning fish. He quit while we watched for a minute, then as we motored off another fish was tossed in the water.

If I was to guess he was taking the eggs and tossing the fish.

The lowest common denominator for a fish carcass is crab bait or cat food. You would think the carcass would be worth something to somebody.

I have heard of the hoods canal shrimping seasons. I am trying real hard for a positive thought thinking that the shrimp are being fed. Somebody tell me a shrimp will eat chum meat?

[Dances]

B O G
I sure hope the shrimp eat the dead chum or what is left of the shrimp. I went back out yesterday only to find about ten bright bucks lying on the shore were a net had been placed then as I woundered down stream I found about40 dead chum lying in the water. every one wounders why we have no fish. Just look at the way the indians treat the natural resources

Damned indians. What right do they have to do the same thing that we've been doing to their land for over two hundred years?

[Shannon]

The Indian folks love their eggs. The eggs actual have more of a value to them than even the freshest of fillets. Right now the going rate is $5 a pound. I spoke to some Indian woman this last Sept. and they said what they do not sell they eat. As they smiled they were both spitting teeth. I said, "how do you eat them"? They replied,"We boil them".

[Dances]

The natives where i live just leave the fish on the beach or in the water and the going rate is about $10 a pound now. But that is still not an excusse to dump fish

[DanS]

Well, gee, Mike H. it was either the Skok tribal members, or those REALLY accomplished snaggers that caught 5-600 chums and then took the eggs and tossed the fish.

And quit defending this activity with the crap about what we've done to "their" land. This land belongs to every damn person who currently inhabits it, and this wanton waste shows this particular tribe has about as much respect for the resource as the inbreeding, snagging pieces of crap you'll see on just about any river this time of year. But these snaggers might illegitimately take 50 or 60 fish in a season, where their native American counterparts will take 50-60 fish A DAY, if not more.

These actions are indefensible. These people are the scum of the earth, and them breathing is a waste of the earth's oxygen. If the Skok tribe had any balls, they'd address the issue. They don't, so they won't. And they will justify it with the same flawed logic that fobbman used. There is NO EXCUSE, so save your breath. It's like pouring your used motor oil down the storm drain, and then using the Exxon Valdez to justify it. Sorry, but it simply doesn't fly.


Fish on............

RIGHT ON Dan! It doesn't matter what race the illegal and unethical wasters are from. It matters that we get better inforcement in place; because there will never be a shortage of unethically and hypocritically selfish people!

------------------
Know fish or no fish. - RT

[Dances]

Dan
I like the way you think. Your right on snaggers only take about 50-60 fish a day. But I have seen indians take 100- 200 fish in one pass while seining the river. They just leave the bucks and cut the bellies open of the hens and take the egg's. It is the biggest load of BS I have ever seen beside the Election crap but that is a nother story

[CtDrifter]

That sucks. I hate that type of crap. Well, at least a law was passed so that the indians can't do that with coho anymore.
Ct

[Dances]

The indains did that this year with the coho and nookies and unless the laws are inforced by out siders then things will not change untill we run out of fish

[DanS]

This same routine has been going on on the Skok for years. Only recently, with the increased market for the eggs in the Asian market, it has intensified. The tribe has taken quite a bit of heat from the waterfront homeowners on the canal to stop the stripping and dumping right there in the saltwater, so the tribe said they would address the issue (apparently they haven't gotten through to some thick-headed tribal members). The only thing I've seen happen is less carcasses on the beach, and more in huge piles like the one FHJr. saw. It's simply disgusting. Watching the non-indian snaggers on the Skok makes me want to puke, but seeing piles of hundreds of stripped, dead salmon REALLY ****** me off.

Call the tribe and tell them what a load of crap this is. If they get bugged often enough, they may decide to address this issue. Tell them that these actions reflect badly upon the entire tribe (kinda like snaggers reflect badly upon us as anglers) and you want them to confront the perpetrators. It's about all you CAN do about this sickening situation.

Fish on.......

[Dances]

Dan
Now I have heard or read some where that the tribe gets 95% of the fish ( I am not sure if that is totaly true or not). If the indians get 95% of the fish and the hatchery and sportman and women have to share the other 5% how long will the fish last? If we do the math 5% of 100,000= 5000 fish now 5000 fish is not that much. It is sure not enough fish to support and sustain a run of salmon. Just look at what happened to the hamma hamma. There is not a healthy run of any kind of salmon or steelie's. do we want this to happen to the skok the runs are bad enough as it is.

Look at the run of kings. The river had been closed for quite a few years so the hatchery could rebuild or try to rebuild the run of kings and the indians have taken some much out of the river there was talk about closing the river for them again.

There is one more thing before I stop babling it is the fact that the res. wardens dont do a thing about the indians breaking the laws about netting. They are only susposed to net the river sun-thur. But this last friday to my dismay there were nets in the water with fish in them and the res. wardens wont do a thing about them. They say they have to catch the indians in the act what ever that meant. well i will quit balbing now just my $.31