Wynoochee fishermen need Kevlar vest

[corkyking]

And picked the wrong fisherman to shoot at - can't win somedays.

[Scruffy Bearded Varmint]

I suspect that if they were in a boat, they were on a navigable river. If they were on a navigable river, I suspect they have a legal right to be there.

Washington entered the union under the same set of rules that Oregon did. Might want to check WA regs regarding Public Trust Waters. We are making a fight of it in Oregon. Your welcome to join the scrap.

[GOT2FISH]

To bad shes 82. They should throw the book at her and lock her crazy behind up. But they'll say shes to old to know better and what good would it do to lock her up? Now the fifty year old will say she got away with it so can I and so the war begins.I'm affraid that if someone took a shot at me I would be tempted to shoot back wouldn't that be self defence. Well thank god nobody got hurt and hopfull the DA will persue this the same way they do trespassing.

[Highliner]

The article doesn't state if it was a sled or a driftboat on the upper Nooch. Well...she did after all fire a warning shot first...definately had to have been a driftboat. If it had been a sled she probably would have filled two tags.....

[timinthegorge]

The Wynoochee holds great memories for me, and no doubt, there are some landowners on the river that've been perturbed by the fishermen doing things like leaving their garbage. The landowner's are clearly fed up!

Takin' shots at fishermen is not the way to go,(especially when they're police officers), but the trashin' of their property and their river has been goin' on for a very long time....

Sounds like an old lady who loves the river finally broke a spoke.....

She was wrong..... but I understand her frustration and, I respect her passion.....

[Jignfloat]

Do you suppose those residents would allow access to river through their property??????Alot of those people who live there have their own private holes...and the fishing is very good at times. Like one of the guys I work with.....he has a place down on the nooch.....never been invited...yet he has gone eagerly with me on the Columbia. Good friend huh?
Russ

[KillerDave]

Maybe she was just on the porch reading a book and a boat floating silently by disturbed her...

[reeldick]

Age doesn't matter. There is never a reason to shoot at anyone unless your own life is in danger. Lock her up!

[mophile]

"Their river"??? Not at all!! "OUR river"!!! She SHOT AT PEOPLE!! I grew up on and still own riverfront property. I do not litter nor trespass, so I do not expect to be lumped in with or treated like those who do. When you reach the point where you are unable to make distinctions between the law abiding taxpayer legally enjoying the public land/access his tax dollars help support and a lawbreaking/littering son-of-a-gun, then you need to consider moving. Disclaimer: If for some reason I do not understand, boats are illegal on this stream, then the fishermen were in the wrong (which does not condone or warrant shooting at them!)

[edsr]

If the fishermen were acting in a lewd, obscene, or indecent manner the woman has a gripe. From the news article that does not appear to be the case. They have every right to be where they were. Would the woman shoot at someone passing on a road if they stopped for awhile?
edsr

[grandsalami]

What paper did you find this in?

[flatbottomboy]

timinthegorge, <I disagee it is THEIR RIVER!!!!! > It is ALL of ours!!! Not just mine or hers or yours but ALL OF OURS!!!! That <snip> would not be accepted by any of us living on the river or not! TOTTALY UNACCEPTABLE!!! <snip>

[ 01-29-2004, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: skein ]

[timinthegorge]

Reeldick..... If she was YOUR grandmother, would you say "Lock her up"?

She's lived on the river for a very long time, and she's seen the disregard that fishermen have for it....

I'm not saying she should be forgiven..... Shooting at anyone without just cause is completely unacceptable, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, period!!

But.... she's 82. If you have the good fortune to get older, you'll understand that as we age, sometimes, our judgement fails us..... not that it dimishes our responsibility.....

I submit that we don't know anything about her life, except that she shot when she shouldn't have..... What don't we know?

I'll be 50 this year..... and I'm trying to learn to be tolerant, especially about things I don't know about fully..... How 'bout you Reeldick?

[slabhunter]

It is sad to see things come to this. I believe this same lady pointed a gun at fisherman in the past. The Deputies came out and she claimed it was just a broom handle. If this is the same lady the time has come to move her to a supervised community. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

[Twitchs_Tackle]

WOW! :shocked: Scary stuff. I've heard people make threats about using guns while sitting in the dark on a few rivers, but this is crazy. Guess I'll start having to wear my vest home form work to go fishing! This would be a tough call to make, and will be interesting to see the outcome.

[skein]

This is a volatile issue, but we need to keep it civil on the board.

Thanks.

Skein

[Steelheader69]

I have property on the Nooch. I do know alot of the property owners as well. I will say, some of them DO own the riverbed, but not the water. Though Washington may have entered union at same time, some of these people parents owned the property BEFORE these laws were enacted. I do know one for a fact that has deed to riverbottom, pays taxes on it, and has enforced trespassing by the state police for anchoring in front of his house. So, I'm not saying she was correct for shooting, but they may have anchored on "her" property. If they were floating through, then no grief. I know most of these people will lose ownership of the streambottom once they pass, or sell. I've heard countless people say it's not legal, but has been taken to court, and is still being enforced by the WSP.

Personally, alot of these people have seen a major onslaught of traffic over the last 2 decades. When I first started fishing the Nooch, I was lucky to see maybe 3 boats all day. Launches were virtually empty, especially during the week. Weekends, maybe 10 boats max. Now, it's overblown. Plus, the amounts of garbage has skyrocketed. I know I do a yearly cleanup on my own of the river. My 16' cataraft is normally busting at the seems from all the garbage I pull out of it. I know all the rivers are becoming this way, but not sure how many rivers have THIS much private property on it. It's a sad day that it's come to this. She should NEVER have pulled the gun out. That's the big problem here. But if she's had same problem an old friend of mine who owns a good mile stretch of riverbottom does, I can see why she's irritated.

[DanS]

Sounds like an old lady who loves the river finally broke a spoke.....

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">That old lady has been a looney-toon for years. She was brandishing her shotgun at boats when I fished the Nooch with my step-dad 25 years ago. She's certifiable...........she'd come out screaming and waving a shotgun just because you were floating by.

She should have been locked up several times prior to this. I don't give a rat's posterior that she's 82.........tell that to the people she lobbed lead at. "Gee, I know your leg was blown off, but she's old" So.....she's also dangerous.

[Steelheader69]

Hey Dan, where's this at? I guess in the last 30 years my parents have had property down there and I have fished it, I've never had the chance to meet her (thank god it sounds like). LOL. Where's she at? Between which launches? My Dad used to mention a wacko about 40 years ago on the river, wonder if that was her. LOL.

[ 01-29-2004, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: Steelheader69 ]

[chinookin]

about 15 years ago, I was fishing the rock pit area on the necanicum, when I heard a noise and turned around to have a 357 mag, pushed into my forehead. I had fished this river for years, and had never seen or heard of anything like this. After some real fast appologies (for what I don't know) things settled down for a time and he pulled the gun from my forehead. Then I noticed his dog was eating all of my eggs, borax and all and tried to stop him, and back came the gun until all the eggs were gone and I was told I was next if not gone in five minutes. I turned him in and found out he was a drug dealer and had caused all kinds of other problems. I heard he is dead now, imagine that. My mother in law owns 5 acres behind the camp ground/trailer park, and recently went back. All the land has been cleared now and I even caught 2 metal heads. I also just moved back to oregon after a 10 year absence, and took my 14yr old son summer steelheading for his 2nd steel trip ever. While walking the sandy below the hatchery,my son stopped and looked ahead and turned around, and said you go first. When I looked up, here was this guy with a notebook about 4 inches thick in one hand, and a revolver in the other. I chatted with him for a while and when we turned to leave he had a change of heart and not only let me fish but showed me the best area's. My boy hooked into 1 and so did I but that was the extent of it. I see no more guns now then 15 years ago. Just alot more people. Odds are someones going to die before to long. Kind of like the stop light everybody says is needed but nothing is done until people are killed. Very sad world to try a bring up a teenage son, and keep him pointed in the right direction.

[lilnorthfork]

Any of you Ifish brothers or sisters ever been shot at by a so-called owner of river or lake rights? I was. .22 whizzed past my left ear. It could have easily struck me or one of the many kids playing nearby in the lake. Small consolation, but I got to i.d. the guy and watch the New York State Trooper smack the handcuffs on him. Anybody that says they can understand someone getting frustrated enough at garbage or whatever to take this kind of action is as looney as this lady or the guy that fired at me. This kind of mentality is evident everywhere from the roads we share to our kids little league games. Maybe it is time to turn off the t.v.'s, take a look around and make an attempt to find some common ground with the people around us... instead of trying to eliminate them.
lnf

[superfly]

The wynoochee is about the size of the wilson and guys are putting there sleds in at White bridge and running upstream, this should be non motorized water up there but the commission won't pass the law. She is upset because of all the sled traffic. She is a friend of mines Grand ma and she is wacked, but I do see why she has became like this. If you lived in Grays Harbor county that long you would be shooting at stuff too!!!!
Peace
Superfly

[lilnorthfork]

Spent some years hiding out in a small Colorado mtn. town (at least it was small then). People said you had to live there at least a dozen or so years before you could consider yourself a local. "What's the benefit of being considered a local," I asked. "Means you can sit around and gripe about all the lousy changes that have happened since you moved there," was the reply. Things do not always change for the better. When you think the solution is self-appointedly reducing the local population, it is time to move on. imho

[rob allen]

I don't know about you guys but from what i have seen riverfront property owners by far are worse litter bugs and polluters than are fishermen. Them blue tarp pieces and other such trash sure don't come from anglers and there is a lot more of that then there are bait containers. This woman isn't passionate about the river she is SELFISH!! the river does not belong to her in any way shape or form. navigable or not!! She has no right to say what any boat does or does not do on the water NONE!!! this woman should be in jail. she is not a steward of the river she is a dangerous criminal..

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[Beefcake]

I had someone fire a warning shot at me last year from a houseboat on the Multnomah Channel, and I am ashamed to say that I didn't think to turn them in. I was so furious, I was too busy wishing I had a gun in the boat, and wishing the kids weren't with me or I would have parked my boat in the jerk's living room. By the time we got back to the ramp (and the cell phone in my car), I had cooled off, and I figured the guy would deny it.

This happened on a super high-traffic day in August at the last little set of houseboats downstream from Brown's landing. We had been wakeboarding between Coon Island and the beginning of the houseboats for several hours, but on this turn the channel got jammed with boats and we had to hold our course instead of turning (and there was some jerk in a speedboat following in our wake behind Travis on his board, so I couldn't cut power). I don't think we ever got within the 200' no wake zone, but this guy had been getting rocked by yacht wakes all weekend, and he took it out on us. If I ever see this guy again, there may be trouble, but as I said above, I wasn't smart enough to borrow a phone to call the cops at the time.

By the way, do yacht guys realize how big of a wake they create when they aren't on plane?

[fop]

The article was in The Daily World out of Aberdeen today.

Her house is the big farm just left of Carter Creek.

Yes, she is a wacko and has been howling about the sleds for years. She has quite a riverfront and used to have a bunch of cows. (Mad Cow Disease?) maybe!!!!

I just wonder if that was really a broom a few years ago..I also think that somebody killed her dog a few ago too!!!

fop

[corkyking]

There's never enough room for bankers, driftboaters and powerboaters a little courtesy goes a long way.

A couple of quotes by those wordsmiths better able than I:

"The sea hath fish for every man."
- William Camden, Remains Concerning Britain

"An inexhaustible good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled sea of thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable in the roughest weather."
-Washington Irving

[Steelheader69]

Ah, ok. I know the woman now, just by the location. Luckily, never had a run in with her. I couldn't imagine a sled up there, but I know they are using them. Have seen them launch at the gravel bar launch, crossover, and the guy across from my Dad's place above Spillway. I couldn't imagine a sled up above White, but I don't fish above it that often. That's crazy.

[DanS]

She lives right where Carter creek flows in. She started getting ticked when guys started dropping their DB's in at Carter creek to hit those good holes above white bridge......but they'd park all over the side of the road and she wasn't happy about it.

I didn't know she was still around because I hadn't seen her in a long time. Maybe I was a little harsh.....but she's gotta learn that slinging lead just makes it worse for everybody.

I'll tell you what.......I wouldn't want to have property on that river this time of year. Yayhoos parking in people's yards and fields, leaving a trail a garbage behind...........maybe the old lady isn't that looney, and just took it too far.

[Silver Hilton]

Kinda like the Law and Order show last night. She's 82. What are they gonna do, sentence her to life?

[mophile]

Sadly, most older people have that attitude: "What are they gonna do??? Sentence me to life??" My Mom is 82 as well, and sometimes has that attitude. I love her very much, but that does not make the actions they take legal or correct.

[GutshotApe]

100 years ago John Turnow, the "Wild Man of the Wynoochee", was a fugitive in the area...living off the land and by breaking into cabins, etc. He had the whole place spooked. Sounds like he must have left a direct descendent. The Wild Man was eventually tracked down and killed at his secluded shack up the Wynoochee in a massive volley of gunfire from sheriff's deputies and others who had him surrounded. :shocked:

[hawgcatcher]

82 or not, someone needs to take her guns away and place her in a home or have someone there to care for her. What if she had killed someone? She would be going to jail then, even at her age. I think that the powers that be are dropping the ball by not doing more before she kills someone. She should have a competency hearing and possibly placed in a home. It sounds as tho the relatives need to pay attention too.

Sadly, when they reach that age, they don't actually know what they are doing part of the time. A year ago my mom passed away. She was one week shy of turning 91. We had moved in with her to care for her during the last five years of her life. She was bright and knew what was happening most of the time, but she would forget and think she was in the past. She could get nasty and lie when she was in this frame of mind. I learned that life changes for them and they must be cared for when they get this way.

God love the elderly but give them care like you would a child. (My wife sez that I am fast getting there)

[reeldick]

timinthegorge,
Yes, if she was my grandmother I would want her put where she is safe and no threat to others. Maybe a seniors home where she could be watched. She has no business being in public shooting at people.
I'll be 58 shortly so I am at the age where I see old friends that need to be cared for. Alzheimers hit a very good friend when he was 50. His wife had to put him in a home because he needed constant care.
I hope my daughter puts me somewhere if I get the point of shooting at people.

[Dave Vedder]

I plan to report on this in my column in Salmon Trout Steelheader. If anyone learns the final disposition of the case I would very much appreciate a report.

[corkyking]

Do you think that she was thinking of old John Turnow when she took her potshot?

[WHO'S BELLS RINGING?]

THE POOR LADY WAS JUST TAKING THE SAME DIRECTION AS OUR PRESIDENT ONLY SHE WAS HOLDING THE SMOKING GUN NOT LOOKING FOR IT.

[LongJohn]

"If the fishermen were acting in a lewd, obscene, or indecent manner the woman has a gripe."

What?

[ 01-31-2004, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

[Abalone]

"The sea hath fish for every man."
- William Camden, Remains Concerning Britain

"An inexhaustible good nature is one of the most precious gifts of heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled sea of
thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable in the roughest weather."
-Washington Irving

I like that Corkyking. I 'll try to remember that during the Spring Run. Maybe I shoud write it down or something. It seems like people are better these years than they used to be in the
60's and 70's. or am I just getting old ? In the last five years or so everyone I meet on the river seems pleasant. Met a lot of nice folks in fact.

Thanks

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[foxer]

Be careful folks, someone may just shoot back. And be totally justified...

[cully]

all i can say is that if u take a shot ( high water mark or not) at me u better make it a good one because if u miss it'll be the last shot u ever take. No threat, just fact

[Twitchs_Tackle]

My thoughts exactly Cully...

[C-lice]

There's not a thing that those people in the boat could have been doing, other than shooting at the old lady themselves, that would justify her shooting at them.

If she is found guilty then her punishment, whatever it is, needs to ensure that she's never again allowed the opportunity to have a gun or other WMD. And the NRA (or any other prominent gun organization) should come out in public support of her losing all of her gun rights.

I am pro-second amendment all the way. This lady is who the Feinsteins and Schumers and Sarah Bradys will look at when they decide we're all a bunch of gun-toting lunatics and decide to pass laws that effect all of us. Her punishment needs to be severe and very public.

[slabhunter]

This issue makes me glad that I traded my driftboat in toward a bayboat. It only took one time of hearing a bullet zinging by on the Chehalis System :shocked:

[BigBeanCounter]

Lock her up, and for a long time. Period. Who cares how old she is, shooting at others is absolutely unacceptable unless you are in imminent danger...

[crabbait]

I can see the headline now....."82 Year Old Woman Dies in Hail Of Gunfire" Great press for sportsman and gun owners everywhere.

[slabhunter]

Perhaps there is something in the water up there that makes the widows this way. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]