Great Halibut Program

kamloops · 05-25-2006, 01:33 PM

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/finfi.../estimates.asp

Herring Problem · 05-25-2006, 02:25 PM

Question: I have never been asked by the fish checker where was I fishing, inside the 40 or outside the 40. So, If I have not been asked, How many of you have been asked?

My thinking is this little piece of information sure could throw the counts off.

saman · 05-25-2006, 02:31 PM

Yep...looks like Florence is still batt'n a big goose egg again this year. What a joke....

corrirod · 05-25-2006, 03:55 PM

That is interesting.

Columbia River port gets 21 fishing days for 14,000 fish.

Port Orford, Bandon, Winchester Bay, Florence, Walport, Newport, Depoe Bay, Pacific City, Garibaldi, and Nehalem all have to share 6 fishing days for 45,000 fish. Let's see, that's 11 ports divided by 45,000 lbs = 4,100 lbs. per port. Doesn't seem fair to me the Columbia guys get so many fish.

kamloops · 05-25-2006, 04:42 PM

You must mean Ilwaco, Chinook, Hammond and Astoria, is that
what you mean? or do you Mean the 20,000lbs <40 you guys fish for 120days and not report any catch?

Let's see week one? May 1-5, Not too many boats fishing in 20-30 knot seas.
Weekend 6-7 did not fish myself
weekend 13-14 did fish one day
weekend 20-21 fished two days
result 2 fished tagged in 3 trips

LETS SEE, 250,000LBS DIVIDED BY Garabaldi, Pacific City, Depoe Bay, Newport or most of the fish quota

I guess that's fair eh?

corrirod · 05-25-2006, 06:38 PM

I knew that would get you riled up Kamloops! :grin:

Nordic Sun · 05-25-2006, 07:17 PM

Rod
There is something drastically wrong with the quota,when one, small, sport boat, can only get out 6 of the 21 days, because of bad weather and still catch 3% of the entire area quota.

The CR quota is drasticlly under allocated! But I and others have beat this dead horse long and hard.

Bob

kamloops · 05-25-2006, 07:39 PM

Bob

Be thankfull you/we got some fish this year.

Many of the sport guys in Hammond didn't even get a chance to fish this season.

Nordic Sun · 05-25-2006, 07:54 PM

I understand Tom!
4 0f the 6 fishable days this year were weekdays.
I am so thankful to finally be retired and have the ability to launch when the weather breaks.
Bob

Mr_sturgeon · 05-25-2006, 10:17 PM

I for one have an empty card, didn't get out once, had plans for sunday but that wont even happen now

Tri-Fecta · 05-26-2006, 10:11 AM

gee, how about a seprate quota for charter boats. It might give the rest of us an opportunity to enjoy this fishery.

I have proposed the same idea for salmon and sturg fishing in the river on the community page but no one seems to get it.

Charters and guides inflate the catch.

Clamman · 05-26-2006, 10:29 AM

This fishery might be the best example of an individual user group quota management policy. The user groups could be allocated portions of the quota based upon any number of factors, whether it be size or whatever. That way the charter fleet could have an allocation that they could fill while not negatively impacting the smaller recreational fleet that may/will be hampered more so by weather and bar conditions. It would evenly spread the allocation and...would be an ecomomical incentive to the states and local economies! This is by no means to degrate the charter fleet since they have a right to make a living as much as recreational fishers have a right to access the fish. With the interest to the big blue expanding by the smaller recreational fleet this is something fishery manager are going to have to deal with.

For all of you who go to the meetings and voice your opinions, keep it up. It is needed.

Clam

fish-on · 05-26-2006, 10:34 AM

i thought the CR had a bigger quota than last year seems like we got less fishing time in

,how could it have been filled with in 2 1/2 weeks?

kamloops · 05-26-2006, 10:48 AM

Charters and Guides are Sportfishers any way you slice it.
I don't know, we start down the road of slicing up the Columbia River and you start dealing with States autonomously protecting their constituents, I don't want to see the results.

Plain and simple, we fish in a very dangerous weather allowed fishery, that's why a derby fishery wont work.
Yes, there are several large charters that can fish on days when the kickers can't, that's life, some people can fish weekdays others weekends. You can't break away and split allocations between the same sportfishers. No doubt there are small boats fishing a derby day that should not even be in salt water, let alone 30miles out in the pacific ocean.

What is needed is a larger slice of the allocation.
One thing that will tend to tick folks off is if the C.C.S. get's to a two fish per day limit.
If that happens and we are sitting up here not fishing, it ain't gonna be pretty.....

kimmosan · 05-26-2006, 10:58 AM

[quote]
Question: I have never been asked by the fish checker where was I fishing, inside the 40 or outside the 40. So, If I have not been asked, How many of you have been asked?

From looking at the chart, it appears it is based on dates. Any fish caught on the All Depths days count regardless of where they are caught. 40 Fathom fish only count when the All Depths fishery is closed.

puffins crew · 05-26-2006, 12:31 PM

Where is that pic of the dead horse??

Bendman · 05-26-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Question: I have never been asked by the fish checker where was I fishing, inside the 40 or outside the 40. So, If I have not been asked, How many of you have been asked?

My thinking is this little piece of information sure could throw the counts off.

On an all depth day all the Halibut are counted against the outside quota Irregardless of where they are caught.

kamloops · 05-26-2006, 06:15 PM

Puff C.

Oh that's right, your horse is still alive.

hot wire · 05-26-2006, 06:56 PM

I made the mistake of being available only the first two weeks of the season. Those were a little rough for a newbie. I guess the learning curve this year is darn steep......never even had a chance...

Tom

kamloops · 05-26-2006, 09:43 PM

I can only imagine what the reaction of the C.C.S. Charter
offices if one day before a major summer holiday they learned that the season was closing in 2 days. Imagine what that feels like to refund many thousands of dollars of canceled trips.

And to top it all off, the last two days of the assinine
short season is a washout due to poor weather.

skein · 05-27-2006, 09:01 AM

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I can only imagine what the reaction of the C.C.S. Charter offices if one day before a major summer holiday they learned that the season was closing in 2 days. Imagine what that feels like to refund many thousands of dollars of canceled trips.

Seems I remember that very thing happening right before Labor Day a couple years ago, and Patty Burke and her team, including Don Bodenmiller and Eric Schindler, put forth GREAT EFFORT to head that off in the future.

I feel your pain, and think you guys are getting the shaft. Seems to be a real political football though, and I'm not sure you have the clout (votes) to turn it around.

You're welcome on my boat anytime. It's not the same as skippering your own boat, but at least you can get some fish.

Skein

kamloops · 05-27-2006, 04:37 PM

Thanks Skein

This one does indeed hurt, not so much for me but lot's of
guys did not have the chance to make even one trip out this year.
I appreciate the offer on the ride, at least I tagged a couple fish.

I can only hope that the Ilwaco folks can lobby Phil Anderson for a larger contribution to C.R.S...
No doubt it would make it easier for all to swallow to move
some more poundage up here from the C.C.S..

I have always maintained the largest cross section of folks who fish Ilwaco are Oregon residents. In talking to the charter guys up there they agree. The large Puget Sound population centers would most likely fish Westport and other Northern Ports. So if the Ilwaco fishers are Oregon Residents, why would anybody have a problem with transfering quota to other Oregon residents...???
Thats my take on solving the Wa. vs Ore. fish.

Salty Walty · 05-27-2006, 04:57 PM

To add something else to this. These are observations from the meetings. Another factor in this ongoing saga that is referred to ad nauseum in the meetings here is the fact that WA receives more Quota than OR and CA combined. The bulk of the people at the meetings feel that WA must contribute equal to the CR regardless of who fishes out of where. The main argument is that if OR were to contrbute more to the CR than WA and the WA Charters and Private Boats were able to harvest these fish, OR License Revenue, Charters and businesses would not see the benefit if these fish were to be taken in WA. There was talk at some of the CCS meetings that if WA did not step up to the plate OR would up the Quota and all fish over the combined Quota would have to be landed in OR.
Please attend the meetings that will be in August to submit proposals for next years Season.