Homemade Baitscent Revisited

In answer to a Q on Bob's BB: There are a number of ways the OTC oils are processed. Cold pressing to extract oils from baitfish is one. Then it is filtered and refined by some (Mike's) and not filtered by other's (Pro-Cure). I think I mentioned way back in a post that I discovered the very best base oil for homemade scents is Spectrum Essentials brand Flax Seed oil (found at health food stores; I experimented with it after tasting it). It is very purified, full of omega-3 fats, and even taste a tiny bit fishy (not as bad as cod liver oil though). If you put 8 oz. of this oil in a clean blender with a rounded 1/2 teaspoon of powdered sodium sulfite and 1 teaspoon of MSG, you can toss in one or a combo of such as sardine/herring/anchovie filets, salmon eggs, sandshrimp tails, crawfish tails, prawn tails, squid are underated excellant, albacore tuna filet (or oil packed canned tuna in a pinch), or about anything the fish like. Just puree it real well and you have a better and thicker scent than many of the OTC oils. For some varients to try in some of your concocktions, use a few drops of Cravex Plus &/or Dr. Juice concentrate &/or anise oil &/or quality garlic oil &/or vanila extract &/or very carefully with lower strength DMSO. For an experiment: in targeting hatchery Kings and steelhead, try to obtain the exact pellet feed from the hatchery that the fish imprinted on while growing into releasable smolts and pre-powder it to put in the blender mix. E-mail me with your results with that one. - RT

In answer to a Q on the same board, DMSO is liquid dimethylsuloxide. It was discovered by OHSU's Dr. Stanley Jacobs. It is made from plant organic extracts. It has a very unique property in that it will actually penatrate most any organic membrane and some cell tissues, including human skin and the underlying soft connective tissues; and salmon egg sack membranes. It also has the unique property of tissue anti-inflamatory action. Myself and other gymrats at Portland State University, close to OHSU, used to get it in the 70's for careful clean topical application on the skin over sprained ankles to significantly speed up the healing time. And it works. Dr. Jacobs has tried for years to get it approved for medical use by the FDA. However, since it is so powerful of a penatrant the FDA would not pass it because it will take anything on your skin, or in impure DMSO, right into your blood stream with unknown side effects. None of us guys ever had any significant side effects, that we know about. I used it a lot for years on basketball abused feet and knees. It does tend to irritate and redden the skin. Dr. Jacobs has versions out licensed for experimental use that are in a gel form and also some with pharmacutical anti-inflamatories mixed right in it. He claims the side effects are greater for oral anti-inflamatory use than to have it go thru your skin and soft connective tisses locally on an injured or inflamed area. It is so penatrative that in several minutes after applying it over a sizable skin area you will have the taste of clams in your mouth. (A net search on DMSO will confirm all of the above). It works, but the side effect concerns prevent me from using it on my body anymore. It can be found in some variety stores and pharmacies (at least in Oregon) labeled as a solvent with a skin warning, to get around the FDA. I have experimented with distilled water diluted 50% DMSO solutions for egg curing. It will break down oils and fats to a degree. It smells fishy (and taste clammy). I have tried mixing egg cure powder in it and pouring it over eggs (90% solution will destroy the egg sack membranes). I'm in the early stages of this experiment. Some of the eggs got gooey. Some have caught fish. I think it may have great potential in combination with other ingredients and mediums, for it's dispertion, scent, and curing factors. I just don't have enough time to be on the water properly testing it. That's why I would like Marty and St.1 to experiment and river test it for me (using rubber gloves!). Perhaps using it in place of alcohol in St.1's formula could be interesting! Stay tuned. - RT

[Quick Fish]

Steve,

How long can you keep the commercial scents before they go bad? Or do they ever go bad or become ineffective because of all the preservatives? Is there a difference between brands? Is there a difference between oils, butters, jellies? Thanks,

QF

QF, they will last a long time because they have to. They are designed for long store-shelf life at room temperatures. I order mine factor direct, mostly from Mike's and Pro-Cure, because they won't last forever before starting to turn a bit despite having a little more preservative than I would want. I use the Flax oil to cut the OTC scents down just a little and keep them refriderated. Kept frozen during the off season they will last indefinitely. The jellys/butters are made with same type base scents, but put in thicker mediums similar to petroleum jelly to last longer on your lures. I prefer using oils, a little at a time and reapplying often. They disperse the scent better and than the jelly stuff, but they are both good. - RT

[Kerry]

RT my question is about Dr juice his stuff has pheromones to trigger the bite, but I have heard that pheromones do not last very long (less than a day). What do you know about this stuff?? Also I just got back from the Hoh and a guide there was using a spinner with a hootchie ( pink ) over the hook. What do you nkow about that ?? Thanks

[Ramstrong]

Kerry,

Don't know about the Dr Juice. But if you promise not to tell anyone the lure you're referring to is probablly one of these http://www.tyeetackle.com/nosering.html

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-Ryan
www.xprt.net/~ryandsar
ramstrong@hotmail.com

[smilesforu]

Kerry
That spinner is used to target the incoming silvers.....shhh its a guide secret. How was fishing?
Tight Lines

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Marty M
Steelheader.net

[This message has been edited by smilesforu (edited 10-05-2000).]

I think pheremones are to get buyers to bite. Cravex is more genuine. But Dr.J concentrate is a good scent additive (a few drops per 2 oz.).