Cutthroat Kill in 2001

[davpot]

So Im wondering why the ODFW cant use a slot limit on coastal cutts? We've just started getting some of the best runs ever and now, Im afraid they're DOOMED......!! DOOMED.....!
is there anyplace to make suggestions to save these fine runs? I was sure ODFW would give them a few more years to recover, and then a "soft landing" (Boy, am I naive!!)

[First Bite]

davpot
Not all is doomed. There is a proposal for a limited season on sea run cutts on a certain central cost section. Can't remember which section right off my head. Anyways, it will be catch & release for the north coast cutts. Give Mr. Corrarino a call and let him know your concerns about the sea run cutts. He has been very helpful to me in the past.
Mark

Edit: The proposal for retaining sea run trout is from the Salmon River near Lincoln City, south.

Charlie Corrarino
ODFW
2501 SW First Avenue
P.O. Box 59
Portland, OR 97207-0059

(503) 872-5252 extension 5431


[This message has been edited by stlhdr (edited 09-27-2000).]

[Crusty]

Regardless of the rules, I encourage everyone to release them anywhere. I don't believe the population is stable enough yet for any catch and kill fishing in the Pacific Northwest. And even if it is, who cares?

Crusty

[garyk]

Thanks for the topic and I both appreciate and support your sentiments. Look behind the scenes for the reason for these 'kill' proposals.

Since the 'cutts received this protection there's been some Central and I believe South Coast Legislators adamantly opposed to these conservation regulations. It's tough for ODFW to buck those who control its funding.

[First Bite]

With all of the opportunities to fish and keep hatchery trout in many coastal and inland lakes, I don't understand the mentality of killing native trout. It just doesn't make sense.
Mark

[Gone Fishin]

I can personally vouch for Tillamook County streams, one busy opening weekend and all the catchable cutts will be wiped out of these systems! There is no need for it (a catch and kill season) I am totally against the retention of coastal cutthroat! -Marty P.

[Jennie@ifish]

I know! For each cutthroat you release, go to Safeway and buy a farm raised salmon for dinner.
Cutts probably taste better, but too bad!
Don't kill Cutts! It's just not right! The salmon Gods will curse you forever!!!!

Catch them, release them IN the water, watch them, appreciate them, but even if you can legally keep one, DON'T!


Jen

[wak'm&stak'm]

When they lumped all the streams together because of their Umpqua study really upset a lot of the old timers in my area. The Umpqua is a warm river and full of bass, it is and never will be a good trout producer.
Locally there never was a problem with local rivers (Siletz, Yaquina, Drift Creek, Beaver Crk, and so on). We have fly fished the Siletz for the past 25 years and the last few have been better than the past.
As a kid we were lucky to get 2 a day out of one creek that I will not name, and this year I and a friend caught 18 bluebacks in 3 hours.
We have always released most trout unless they were mortally hooked. But as for hatchery trout just released or in Safeway YUK YUK YUK. Jen is right they no way can compare.
I am glad they will open it again and they should, Hell, I feel it was stupid to close it in the first place.

[Jennie@ifish]

All I can say is that we differ in opinions greatly.
Big Time.
Stop Jen, don't say it.
whew

[Gone Fishin]

Yup,

Must of been real stupid to close them down, it's always fun for ma and pa to take home a big stringer of steelhead smolts to the tune of; "well, lookie here, caught me another fine cutthroat or maybe it's a rainbow!"

Maybe there's plenty of fish in YOUR area, but as I posted above, in TILLAMOOK COUNTY streams the population just isn't there...

...Unless of course you like them young steelies!

[Snakebite]

I just learned to catch sea-run cutts in the Nestucca when the runs went away. I know that the runs declined in alot of river systems during the same time. Those stocks of fish should be protected somehow. The first, being that the catch and release flyfishers from Portland who whined about the problem in the first place, should not be allowed to come over here and kill cutthroat trout in the name of "ethical" fishing teniques. They don't have a clue as to the catch and release mortality they cause. On the other hand, there some drainages that have superb populations of native cutthroat trout that are not anadromous, and those fish should be allowed to be harvested. Hey, a kid with a couple of 10 inch trout is a happy kid! Sea runs are one thing, but a bunch of endemic fish being protected by a law intended for a specific run of anadromous fish is ridiculous. Getting back the ability to keep two cutts a day will not hurt ANY population. Letting a bunch of flyfishers (and I do fly fish) dictate their own narrow minded opinion is stupid. Kudos to ODFW for realizing this fact, and letting the general public have back their rights!

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[Gone Fishin]

WOW! I think I've just been snake-bit!

So, my own opinion (and it's just my opinion)
is and will be ODFW is stupid for opening back up these coastal streams to the retention of cutthroat. Steelhead smolt populations will suffer (as they did in the past), there aren't the numbers of catchable cutthroat here in TILLAMOOK COUNTY streams to make a viable fishery for them.

If you want to go trout fish and be able to retain your fish go to the lakes and ponds that you've been going to already.

You can't kill NATIVE (not fin-clipped) Steelhead or Coho...Why do you want to kill NATIVE Coastal Cutthroat ???

That's just my opinion, but I'm stickin' to it!

[This message has been edited by Gone Fishin (edited 09-30-2000).]

[wak'm&stak'm]

I was not just responding to your comments, the other posts were not specific as to streams. So don't take it personal (I don't).
Yes we do live in differant zones, apparently the Portland tribe puts a added pressure on our streams, and I will take your word for it. We have very little if any of those problems as far as trout fishing anyway.
I do support preserving a damaged fishery, I have worked with the ODFW on several projects. For example, I have complied and supported restrictive legal sizes for sturgeon and relaese all but maybe one a year. But I would be angry as HECK if they shut it completely down for those who feel differant. I guess my fear is when something is change so drasticly it is very hard to ever get it back.
On a unrelated subject I am all for opening the hatcheries and not shipping eggs to Japan also.
That was a fun

[First Bite]

From the information I have gathered, there is a "proposal" to retain sea run cutthroat only from the Salmon river near Lincoln City and south. It will continue to be catch & release for the area north of the Salmon river. This includes Tillamook rivers.

I have to agree with Marty P. that too many uneducated anglers catch and keep steelhead smolts. I have seen this numerous times while fishing the Tillamook rivers.

Since the ODFW has changed over to catch & release for sea run trout, I have seen the numbers and size of the fish increase. Even with the current regulations, I still hear of people retaining sea run trout. Anglers must get educated on the regulations for the river they are fishing.

wakem...it sounds like the Siletz has a much healthier population than the Tillamook rivers. No doubt public access has a lot to do with that. Unfortunately that is not the case with the Tillamook rivers.
Mark

[wak'm&stak'm]

sthdr, I have heard the same thing. I was told there would be a 2 fish limit next year.
We don't hear much of the rivers north of here, sorry they have cutt trouble I hope it comes back.
I will continue to catch and release these fish, but I can't help but remember when I was younger and riding my bike to the river. You would think I had 35 pound chinooks in my backpack by the smile on my face but all I had was a couple blueback to go show my mom.
It was a big thing to me and I hate to see things change, if it were today I would be busted.

[wak'm&stak'm]

Where the hell did you come up wth the steely smolt thing. Everyone I know can tell the differance. There are a handful of locals who have lived and will die on the upper Yaquina, and sit on their boat docks each year to chat, visit and drink coffee. And heaven forbid they may even take their grandkids with them, and pass on something that they have enjoyed for years. I think this is a good thing and think it is a crying shame for it to stop when the Blueback run is just as stable as ever. There has never been on study on this fishery so why throw it in with the areas that maybe over fished.
If I believed they were over fished I would be right behind you to save them but this IS NOT THE CASE. Take the Siletz for example, it is sometihng like 77 miles long and without a boat may have public and legal acess to maybe 5 miles of it at the most. The Yaquina is even less acessable, and can't be cleaned out on a weekend or season.
Next year remind me and I will show you where some BIg Cutts live.
And you know what I will even let them go, but if some kid or grandpa wants to keep one right on, I an I am happy for them.

[Gone Fishin]

Wak'm,

I came up with the steelhead thing by watching UNEDUCATED ANGLERS kill them (steelhead smolts) in the name of cutthroat fishing.

Yes, there are people out there (such as yourself) that are smart enough to know the difference. And, maybe there is great numbers down there on the Siletz to make a fishery available for anglers to kill cutts.

And, in no way would I want "the good 'ol boys" not to be able to take thier grandchildren fishing. And I really don't think Hell has anything to do with it!

Now, if you'll re-read my post I'm talking about TILLAMOOK COUNTY STREAMS (which the Siletz is not part of) Why can't we keep the closure here in our area and open it up down south where it sounds like the populations of cutts are better? That's all!