Who's sign is this?????

[Limbhanger]

There are a few of these signs on HWY 99 leaving Mcminnville. They have no ownership marks on them.

Any ideas??

[Coastalfisherman]

I have seen these also on the Coast and was wondering the same thing? :whazzup:

[Bonita]

WOW!
Check out the website - quite a piece of work!

[Snakebite]

Somebody certainly has a fertile imagination! If hound hunting was still allowed, there would be no need for what they are now opposing. It's their own fault. I have no idea if their claim, however exagerated, is true, as they didn't bother to substantiate or cite any of their statements Obviously science, biology, and God forbid, common sense aren't part of their agenda

[skein]

Gee, I'm thinking paying gov'ment hunters to kill big game animals was kinda of a waste too. Looks like the gov'ner has lost support from both sides of the coin.

Wonder if he can figger it out? <where's the dunce graemlin?>

Skein

[Limbhanger]

Im not so sure they are antihunting? They mention when cougars were responsibly managed before 1994. I am wondering if they are not a group of hard core houndsman that are not in suppor of the cougar plan.......heck, OHA "reluctantly" supports it, SCI went on record not supporting it.

I asked a few questions on their forum, we will see what kind of answers come up.

[baltz526]

the website dosn't say who the backers are. i emailed them asking (who are you) it could be one guy with a grudge or a national org. yes it is oregoncougarplan.coms sign, but who is oregoncougarplan.com

[Chromaflage]

Whoever it is, they seem to not want to be identified. I did a "whois" search on the domain and this is what came back (notice the private contact info:

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: OREGONCOUGARPLAN.COM
Created on: 06-Mar-06
Expires on: 06-Mar-08
Last Updated on: 07-Mar-06

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration OREGONCOUGARPLAN.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration OREGONCOUGARPLAN.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ACCUWEBHOSTING.BIZ
NS2.ACCUWEBHOSTING.BIZ

[Chromaflage]

Here's some more interesting info on the subject:

http://www.treedogwear.com/news.asp



CrF

[baltz526]

so do you think this is who it is,(
Rod K Oregon USA http://www.ousda.com )

[Snakebite]

weird...

[Limbhanger]

Baltz, quite a CSI you are

I figured it was an extreme dog guy. I dont mind so much that they dont support the plan as a whole, but they offer no plan for an alternate solution. They should atleast talk about supporting a future ballot initiative to bring the dogs back. The way they have gone about this is pretty tacky and attracts the wrong crowd. Using the worse case snare footage is no better than the footage the anti's used during the ballot initiative years ago....

[baltz526]

do not blame me' cromaflage, found it. i just poked it with a stick

[BloodNtheboat]

I looked through the whole site, and as far as I can tell is that they are against the current management plan for cougars, it seems to me that they are not anti hunting, and if i had to put money on it i would say that they are pro hound hunting, not the most clear, and the use of propoganda is heavily apperant, but i dont think that the site's mission is really all that bad.

[Rank Amateur]

I saw a sign on Hyw.47 coming home the other day and yes the land belongs to a well known hound hunter.

[HOGGEMIN]

Some groups have and are trying to get a ballot measure on the ballot box, but to do this with hiring TV commercials and all expendisures it would cost 1 to 2 million dollars and hunters arn't willing to pony up so it just stands still. There were a couple problems with measure 18 legality wise ( containing multiple actions ) but it takes money to challenge these legalities. It would be a shame for our tax money to go to paid government hunters to take out 2,000 cougers to get to the management level the ODFW would like to see. A few years ago Government hunters were paid $500.00 per bear killed and they could bait, trap, or bait these bears in. when if licensed hunters were allowed the same means it would put money into the ODFW budget and help with the local economies. If us hunters would support other legel hunting means wether we hunt that way or not. Just support it instead od saying I don't hound hunt so I don't care attitude we would have never lost baiting or use of hounds. When ODFW listed the cougers as a game animal it was estimated to have a population of 200. It was the houndsmen that went to the ODFW and said we want a limit and a season for the couger not a bounty as befor.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

I suppert all methods of hunting as long as it is a legal method. I Archery hunt and do some rifle hunting too but I would support pistol or black powder hunting as much as my chosen methods. Hunters fight too much with them selfs and are too tired to fight the true enemy ( the anti's ).

[Whatchaketchemon]

I got a feelin' that the dogs will be back, but not in the form of hounds. You think cougars are becoming a problem, wait till the wolves arrive (besides the few that everyone is gonna say they have seen).

[Limbhanger]

Hoggemin,I think we all agree with what you are saying. If they are in support of a ballot initiative to bring back hounds they should say that in their platform. It is always nice to see someone have a potential solution when they point out a problem. A good percentage of us sportsman do pony up, we belong to the various conservation groups that are supposed to support us with these types of issues. I would like to see the big companies like Cabelas and Basspro pony up and contribute to the necessary funds for a quality, well thought out campaign. 2 million dollars is nothing when the right resources are tapped.

[gottafish]

Hoggemin,I think we all agree with what you are saying. If they are in support of a ballot initiative to bring back hounds they should say that in their platform. It is always nice to see someone have a potential solution when they point out a problem. A good percentage of us sportsman do pony up, we belong to the various conservation groups that are supposed to support us with these types of issues. I would like to see the big companies like Cabelas and Basspro pony up and contribute to the necessary funds for a quality, well thought out campaign. 2 million dollars is nothing when the right resources are tapped.

What we need is a organization lik OHA with thousands of members to petition these companies like cabelas for support!!!

[Limbhanger]

I wrote this group an email, I thought you guys might like to read it..........

Hello,
I have recently seen red and white signs that look like they might be from your organization. I agree that the current plan is not the ideal solution and I am not overly thrilled with the way they plan on managing the resource, but something needs to be done in a hurry. Since we have nothing now, can't this be a decent start? It could be something to spring board off of with a ballot initiative when the money is finally found. You have identified the problem, but your platform offers no real solution or plan of your own for managing Cougar. We need something done now to get the numbers down. I think your website and position would look much more attractive to a broad base if you discussed the ultimate management plan and solution to the problem...i.e...Sportsman using Hounds and all the pro's that shadow the cons. The video of the snares is over the top (I don't know if that is yours or not?). To the average person it looks like extremist propaganda that would be seen in an anti-hunting campaign. The mainstream, average voter that should be targeted wants to be enlightened on the facts surrounding issues they vote on. Extremist, fanatical propaganda is a turnoff and it attracts the wrong crowd.........the anti's.
Are you currently working with any other groups to produce a ballot initiative for getting Hounds back in the game? I know SCI is a big supporter of getting Hounds back and they have deep pockets.
I am very happy you are taking a stand, but for all of our sakes I hope you work on laying out a more informative voter friendly platform for your website. If you are going to bash on the current plan please take the time to include a well thought out solution that makes Cougar hunting with Hounds look like the very best choice to the voter. Consider it laying the ground work for what's to come. No matter what we hunt or the methods we all enjoy, we are all hunters and need to be united. We need to be careful that we are sending the right message to the general public, that is where the fight will be won or lost.

Thank you very much

[gottafish]

I just talked with a buddy who's a hound hunting fool. he said that the deal is the hound hunters don't want anything done. They love the current state of things. its great training grounds for there dogs getting ready for other states. I asked him why would that be ?? He said oh ya bob cats?? (cougar) they don't want anything done until the state has to open up hound season.. And they will fight the cougar plan big time even if they have to get in bed with the HSUS. he told me that since the banned there are a ton of cats to run and his dogs have never been better trained because They accidently get off a bobcat track and on to a couger track all the time. when he hunts out of state his dogs out preform almost all the compation. and hes makeing a killing selling well trained cat dogs out of state. so he is fine with the way things are right now. He told me that the cougars are treed all winter here and that the dogs are ready to go if they ever do open it up but mean time he just trains all the time. for him and his buddys the kill isn't important its the race that gets these guys stoked and how well there dog preform on that race. Just thought you guys would like to hear a hound hunters perspective on this. Cheers Rich

[Limbhanger]

Does your friend understand the full extent of what HSUS has in store for hunting in general? I understand his narrow view of the dog training part of it. Its the hunting in general part of it that is concerning. Hunting with hounds doesnt "have" to be brought back ever, it will only come back with money and hard work. Getting in bed with HSUS isnt going to get dogs back it will get hunting banned.

[baltz526]

for a hound hunter to admit to harrasing big game, and using bobcat hunting as a cover

[gottafish]

for a hound hunter to admit to harrasing big game, and using bobcat hunting as a cover

I totally agree But from what Ive heard its pretty much the standard of how at least the guys he hangs with do buissness in oregon. I don't condone it but thats the truth of whats really going on???

[HOGGEMIN]

I forgot to mention I didn't mean for my reply to include most hunters from ifish we all seem to care a little or a lot more than the average hunter. Yes it would be nice to get bigger support from some major backers. most groups pledged money and some hunting related local Oregon companye said they would but we were no where near close enough to get it done. Every state is fighting some sort of anti hunting pressure.

[gottafish]

Does your friend understand the full extent of what HSUS has in store for hunting in general? I understand his narrow view of the dog training part of it. Its the hunting in general part of it that is concerning. Hunting with hounds doesnt "have" to be brought back ever, it will only come back with money and hard work. Getting in bed with HSUS isnt going to get dogs back it will get hunting banned.

I pretty much said the same thing to him. His response was not one I care to repeat. Pretty much summed up well if I can't enjoy my sport then screw all you guys kind of a thing. Made me sick to hear that especaly the way it was put to me. yet another classic case of we think we are better than them so they say the heck with us kind of a deal. Sade but this is how we will lose our hunting seasons. And the antis know it all to well.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I can keep whining and complaining about the cougars or I can look for something positive with the current situation.

With the higher cougar numbers my chance of finding and killing one should be better I am gearing up to chase and kill a cougar with no dog.

[BrianMaguire]

Sounds like some PETA freaks. They would rather see a person die than a rat. The Domain registration points to Godaddy.com, which is a site that sells domain names. no way to tell exactly who owns it.

[baltz526]

here is who it is: www.oregoncougarplan.com

Maybe I'm a OHA Member like you that is so mad about watching OHA use my money to help take even a fraction of hunting away?

Maybe I'm an activist that want's to preserve wildlife rather than just kill it and waste it?

Maybe I'm part of Rural oregon that wants to sue the state over this plan?

Maybe I'm part of Urban Oregon that doesn't want to spend my money on this plan?

Maybe I want Governor Ted held responsible for this plan?

Maybe I'm a Hunter like you, maybe not?

Does it matter who i am?

Is this your 1st bear photo, do you fell that you wasted this bear? Are you ready to pay the government next year to shoot your bear for you.

You are more than welcome to post your views on the discussion board about this plan, If you are in support of this plan I urge you to come forward why you are desprate enough to think that it's ok to pay the government to kill your wildlife.

www.oregoncougarplan.com and here is the photo of mine he got off ifish and sent to me so i'm guessing he is an ifish member, and will read this

[BrianMaguire]

DOH!

[Bait O' Eggs]

"Maybe" you got a stalker

[The_Duck_Master]

so do you think this is who it is...http://www.ousda.com )

As someone who does Web design for a living I'm pretty sure you got it right the first time. It appears to be created by the same person(s).

[baltz526]

i just looked up his handle. it is a listed name and if he wants to get involved in the discussion he knows how to type. the registration number is under 600 so he has been a member over 5yrs if if the email name and ifish name are the same

[Blue Tip Spinner]

I looked through the whole site, and as far as I can tell is that they are against the current management plan for cougars, it seems to me that they are not anti hunting, and if i had to put money on it i would say that they are pro hound hunting, not the most clear, and the use of propoganda is heavily apperant, but i dont think that the site's mission is really all that bad.

[Limbhanger]

Here is a small update.....I talked to the webmaster for OUSDA today and he said they are not responsible for the signs/website. He said the organization is watching the website closely though and figure if it gets other hunters aware of the proposed plan then its free publicity for them. He also mentioned that an outfit called ORCAS is filing a lawsuit to try to overturn the the current measure that is in place. I have not heard of them, but will do a little research to find out who they are.....Baltz will probably beat me to it...go ahead and poke it with that stick a little bit..LOL.

[baltz526]

what is orcas? nothing on google but big fishys

[Limbhanger]

I got it, Oregon Rural Citizens Against Subterfuge.

A guy named Wil Clow. Do a google on Wil Clow and there are some articles about the law suit.

[Cornbread]

Never mind somebody else figured it out. But here there website:
http://orcas7.tripod.com/

[gottafish]

I got it, Oregon Rural Citizens Against Subterfuge.

A guy named Wil Clow. Do a google on Wil Clow and there are some articles about the law suit.

I gotta respect his views. I don't think the greater portland area should have a say what happens in rural Oregon. To many kitty lovin tofu fartin fairys sittin around starbucks talking about the poor little kittys

[The_Duck_Master]

Here is a small update.....I talked to the webmaster for OUSDA today and he said they are not responsible for the signs/website.

OUSDA may not be "responsible" for the site but I stand by my previous statement. I'm pretty sure it was built by the same person(s). If not, then someone that is at least closely affiliated with the group.

[Lucky one]

I gotta respect his views. I don't think the greater portland area should have a say what happens in rural Oregon. To many kitty lovin tofu fartin fairys sittin around starbucks talking about the poor little kittys

Now that is about the best description I have heard yet! :smile:

[Rank Amateur]

So are we having a change of heart about the Cougar plan? I know I had an issue with bounty hunter aspect and what that may mean to other biggame animals in Oregon. I think the kitten issue is huge and the waste of an game animal is another.

I want the kitties reduced too, but the price may be too high with this plan. Who pays for this program?

[baltz526]

we pay for it, with lack of funding for important game managment.