magnumitise

[baltz526]

there are two reasons to shoot a magnum type rifle. shooting large bullets at heavy game and shooting light game at over 300yds if you do not hunt either of these ways a magnum is unneeded. that is why so many hunters use the 308 based rifles and 30-06 based rifles. 95% of all hunting shots can be successfully completed with a nonmagnum. to me 5% of shots is enough of a reason to shoot magnum rifles 95% of the time.

[Silver One]

baltz,

Point taken.....if I could accurately handle the recoil the 06 and 7mm Mag would be at the top of my list. Thanks!

Mike

[BrianMaguire]

So lets see, you are able to hunt for what 60 years. You hunt deer and elk mostly with a rifle. For 5% of the cases I don't want to carry around the extra weight around for 60 years when my skill should be able to lessen that 5% down. I use a 30-30 and when I need magnum, I go 06.

[Silver One]

HELP,....Could someone translate this for me?

So lets see, you are able to hunt for what 60 years. You hunt deer and elk mostly with a rifle. For 5% of the cases I don't want to carry around the extra weight around for 60 years when my skill should be able to lessen that 5% down. I use a 30-30 and when I need magnum, I go 06.

Brian,

Below is part of my post from the 7mm thread I started. I have not hunted with firearms for big game in 29 years and when I did I noticed severe shot anticipation with my old 06. I plan on continuing to hunt elk with a bow but am considering hunting blacktail down here in the Applegate unit with a firearm. For all intents and purposes I'm a newby at that. If you construed my post above as a lack of dedication don't. As a bowhunter I have spent more time practicing in a year than most firearms hunters spend in a lifetime. My thoughts are this.....I want to shoot the weapon that permits "ME" the greatest potential accuracy without sacrificing killing power.

" Several years ago I sold my firearms as I plunged into archery hunting. Many of my hunting buddies have moved on for one reason or another so I'm considering getting back into firearm hunting. In the old days I owned a 30-06 which I could never seem to shoot accurately due to recoil anticipation. So....the 7mm-08 thread hit a cord with me."

[baltz526]

243, 260, 7mm-08, 308, 358 are the 308 based cartrages.25-06, 6.5-06, 270, 280, 30-06, 338-06, 35 whelan, are the 30-06 based cartrages. if you are packing any of these cartrage rifles you may not have magnumitise. but any of these cartrages can be made to perform magnum like, by reloading light bullets. for example, loading 120gr ballistic tips in a 7mm-08 at 3100fps or 125gr ballistic tips in a 30-06 at 3400fps. if you reload and do it with light bullets you may have magnumitise

[Hunt'nFish]

Silver One,
Nothing wrong with your 06 one bit. I did find your mention of "recoil anticipation" interesting, mainly because I too was sensitive to recoil. I say was, simply because I learned that their are ways to over come it. A quality butt pad like the Limbsaver I guarentee would make your 30-06 feel like a .308win. Also mounting the scope forward to maximize eye relief help's eliminate the "bite'n eye" syndrome. Also doing most of your shooting off a mechanical rest that take the recoil, like the lead sled and other out there will further ensure your confidence goes up with each shot and your never bitten by the rifle. A quality trigger also makes a huge differance. And I think more time behind the rifle would also boost your comfort with it.
And finally I think good hearing protection helps, I'll admit I'm less frightened by my .338Ultra when I've got the ear plus in AND muff on.

Out in the field adrenilian will kick in and you'll not feel or hear the rifle. The only thing you'll remember is EXACTLY where the crosshairs were when you shot. As a bowhunter you'll be able to sneek right up on them anyway.
Hunt'nFish

[Washington Hunter]

Silver One, Brian's post was directed at Baltz526, not you. Read it again. It made perfect sense to me.

[Don Becker]

there are two reasons to shoot a magnum type rifle. shooting large bullets at heavy game and shooting light game at over 300yds if you do not hunt either of these ways a magnum is unneeded. that is why so many hunters use the 308 based rifles and 30-06 based rifles. 95% of all hunting shots can be successfully completed with a nonmagnum. to me 5% of shots is enough of a reason to shoot magnum rifles 95% of the time.

So, you (as with others of us) have chosen the third reason "to shoot a magnum type rifle:" namely, 'cuz I wanna . . . . :smile: Don

[Quaka Wacka]

I'm with you Baltz, I carry a magnum for what I might need it for. Not what I normally use it for. I've never taken a shot at a deer over 100 yards. A 30-30 would have always worked, but I carry a 300 mag so when a bull/buck is standing broadside at 500 yards and there is no way to get any closer. I can be confident that my rifle has enough to kill him. I also just like to shoot alot in the summer and the 300 yard range gets kinda boring after a while. :smile:

[traks44]

No rifle collection is complete without a Magnum of some sort. I hate to think how the world would be without them....

[in 'em]

.270...its all you need! Just take a good shot!

Seriously though, I have nothing against magnums...what I do have a problem with is everyone getting so worked up on all the ballistics, etc. Just find a good all around gun (magnum, open sight 30-30, .270, .300, whatever), practice, and get good with it. Then, hunt accordingly. Don't overcomplicate things.

There is always some excuse...it was so far away, my guns to heavy, too much "recoil anticipation", if I'da had a magnum that gut shot would have killed him, yada yada yada.

To many of us get all caught up in the size, weight, bullet, scope, power, velocity, drop, etc. It's the same for bow hunters...the arrow, weight, cams, wood, string, sights, tabs, knocks, peeps, etc. :whazzup:

It is the hunter that matters, not the gun or bow! Don't overcomplicate things so much...

Killing an animal at 500 yards really isn't that fun for me...where is the hunt? That's more like a "find" not a "hunt".

Try huntin' with a stick bow and wooden arrows...after that, your open sight 30-30 would seem just fine! :grin:

[Don Becker]

Well put.

[Quaka Wacka]

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It is the hunter that matters, not the gun or bow! Don't overcomplicate things so much...

Killing an animal at 500 yards really isn't that fun for me...where is the hunt? That's more like a "find" not a "hunt".

Try huntin' with a stick bow and wooden arrows...after that, your open sight 30-30 would seem just fine! :grin:

I agree with you for the most part, but what really matters is how well the hunter knows his weapon. So its the combination of both the weapon and the hunter. And I've shot most of my animals at close range (inside of 40 yards). But its a different thrill to put a single bullet right where you want it at 500 yards. Knowing the 500+ rounds you shot, of the exact same load over the summer paid off. I hunt because I love to be outside, but also because I like to eat elk. I practice and try to become profecient in all different aspects of hunting. Tracking, stalking, shooting, etc. They are all different tools to help fill the freezer.

And to ask where is the hunt in shooting an animal at 500yards, I guess it depends on what you did to get to that point. Did you spend several days scouting and practicing that summer? Did you just step out of a truck or did you hike 8 miles and camp overnight. You could just as easily say the same thing for the guy who shoots one 10 yards away after it ran right in front of the truck. Is that hunting? I'm not just talking about road hunters, sometimes that happens while driving from one spot to another.

[baltz526]

if i'm hunting with a tag that is good for a trophy animal in open country, i'll be packing a magnum rifle, or a rifle with magnum performance. if i'm hunting trophy animals in thick brush, where you want to plant the beast in it's tracks, i'll pack a magnum rifle. if i'm hunting wilderness area for deer i'll pack a nonmagnum with high performance ammo. if i'm hunting nontrophy animals, like doe or idaho forked horns, i'll pack any legal weapon. 22-250, 6.5x55, 243, 300 savage. so i'm a sufferer of magnumitise most of the time. 7mm remington magnumitise, or 300 winchester magnumitise

[Yeti]

for example, loading 120gr ballistic tips in a 7mm-08 at 3100fps or 125gr ballistic tips in a 30-06 at 3400fps. if you reload and do it with light bullets you may have magnumitise

For the most part I agreed with you, up until your last statement. If you define magnumitise as high velocity then I understand. But a 120gr tsx at 3,100 out of the 7-08 is far from a magnum. High performance? Yes. This load is one of the softest kicking loads I have in my ultralight.

I have always felt that you must have a jones for big cases with large powder charges and high velocities and a stout kick to qualify as a magnumiac. Just my pov.

Yeti

[baltz526]

but a guy with a 22 hornet would say a guy with a 22-250 had magnumitise

[Bait O' Eggs]

If somebody wants to wear a collared shirt, drive the speed limit, and listen to everything the wife says go for it

....as for me I will hunt with a magnum when I am working with a rifle

[traks44]

If somebody wants to wear a collared shirt, drive the speed limit, and listen to everything the wife says go for it

....as for me I will hunt with a magnum when I am working with a rifle

couldnt have said it better myself

[baltz526]

i think we should all agree that if a rifle shoots a bullet faster than 3000fps the operator may have magnumitise.

[Yeti]

i think we should all agree that if a rifle shoots a bullet faster than 3000fps the operator may have magnumitise.

I agree to disagree.

Yeti

[baltz526]

i can see it now, the new 223 remington (magnum) oh wait that one is already done.

[Gus Orviston]

I like the smaller calibers for deer .25, no recoil and reaches out almost far enough However, there have been times when having a magnum in the truck,,, hypothetically let's call her Betsy, has been good company, but that is from a guy that wears a hat called Lulu.

I think everybody should hunt like me and that way I am not suspicious of your intensions. And you experience will be exactly like my experience, and that way we can all have exactly the same experience. (BORING)

If we all hunted like BOE we would be on Roy's stump, looking through high tech infraspectrometers, packing necked down 378/338s and shooting two river drainages away.

gus

[Bait O' Eggs]

Gus I hear your wife calling, she is going to show you how to iron your shirt

[BrianMaguire]

Silver One, Brian's post was directed at Baltz526, not you. Read it again. It made perfect sense to me.

Silver one .. sorry it was not meant to be directed at you but at Baltz, and I did not mean it in any way as even a poke at Baltz either. Sorry if it came off that way.

[Gus Orviston]

Ha ha.. lot you know.. my wife has a maid that irons my shirt.. and when she hallers at me I can't understand her cuz she is speaking chinese. Heck I even get more shorts ironed.. you might try washing yours once in a while.

Guns.. guns.. don't want to get caught hijacking threads the mod on this board is real short.. ooops I mean a real sport.

[jschainsaw]

that is exactly right!

[Striper Club]

I am more of the opinion of 'shoot what you feel comfortable with for that particular hunt'. Some folks like a straight 30-30 or 30-06. Others prefer 7mm or even .270 for large game. To each their own.

[PDXSteelhead]

"magnum" is a marketing term nowadays - Dodge sells alot of trucks with magnum V8's. It's just manly.

I like my .270 Win. ever since my first elk with one shot when I was 13. Just get 'em in the boiler room.

[blacktail]

I always heard the guys that feel the need to shoot a magnum are usually lacking in other departments. :smile:

[blacktail]

By the way, I use a sling-shot. :smile:

Mike

[Grantspastor]

I have magnumitise

[Acuta]

My 3 main rifles are a 7mm Rem Mag, .257 Wby Mag, and a .450 Marlin. The 7mm for the extra OOMF on a 160gr. The .257 for that REACH. The .450 just cuz it shoots a big bullet. :grin:
Magnumitise?


And as far as "reaching out". Standard calibre for competition 1000yd is good ol .308. Others for sure, but why when a .308 will do it and do it accurately?



Eric

[Weatherby]

Big Game-Big guns ! My 14 elk where all shot in the shoulder except one in the tailbone. All with a Nosler partition bullet with the ballistic coefficients over .430, sectional densitys over .250, bullet weight of 140 grains or more and the velocities over 3000 fps. I shoot every thing up to the .460 wby mag. I mostly use 7 and 300 magnums and have honestly not seen one of the elk I shot take one step! All but one was shot in the shoulders, all dropped like the world was jerked out from under them. I have also seen many shot in the lungs by friends with less a bullet and caliber and they can run for a long long ways down step brushy canyons. Some say I loose some meat......yet a handfull of shoulder meat is nothing compaired to losing the hole animal. I hate to pack-um so I like to gut-um where I shoot-um. Big Guns for Big Game. After all we are talking about killing. I think we owe the beautiful elk not what will work......but what works in the worst case shot. I feel that I have tested the bone smashing qualities of Nosler partitions at Magnum velocities and that is how I feel. Shot placement and sectional density is the camp I hunt in. "Happy Hunting All!!!"

[nobrownline]

How would the 50 BMG be classified? They shoot a 750gr at 2650fps. I guess its not a magnum. Now to my point-- 90 percent of hunters have no business taking a shot over 400yds. Just because the gun is capable of 500+ yd shots does not meen the shooter is capable of pulling it off.

[2LEYS]

rifle shoots a bullet faster than 3000fps

I shoot a 250 Savage. The 250-3000. Which I heard was named because it was one of the first rifles to hit 3000 fps.

I shoot that, a 7mm mag and a 30.06.

[Weatherby]

More on why I pick magnums. If I take a animals life I want to do it in the most efficent way possible. In the worst case if for some reason things go bad, I know I have picked a rifle, caliber,and bullet that "gets r done" I have had very good luck so far so what can I say ! I have seen hunters gut shot elk and deer and watch them run off and never be found, yet you know they died a slow and horrible death. If I ever see my shot not hit the money zone, and my elk take off and I have to start shooting 350 yards or lose him. I am sure going to use a magnum rifle with a large for the caliber controlled expansion bullet with high sectional density. When I get a hit I'm pretty sure the odds are in my favor to slow him down, if not drop him. Big Game-Big Guns.

I hate to pack-um so I drop-um where I shoot-um

[BrianMaguire]

Big Game-Big guns ! I shoot every thing up to the .460 wby mag.

You're not kidding. So what does it fell like to shoot one? Since I was a kid it has always been one of those things that really intrigue me, to shoot a 460 WM. Will they really shatter a telephone pole (I read that once)?

[High Country]

With the bullet? Or the recoil of the gun? I have shot Weatherby's rifle and I realy dont think it will shatter telephone poles but it does get your attention. Think of it like this the difference between tysons jab, and getting hit by a Mack truck.

[Weatherby]

".460 Weatherby Magnum" The first time I tested it for fun, we shot it into a fresh logged tree, wondering what would happen? It was at lease 18 inches thick. I stood back about twenty five feet and let her go. Relaxed and rolling with the recoil I could see dirt fly all around from behind the tree as it was laying on the ground with a dirt bank backstop. We are bullet diggers so we when over to check it out. I had loaded a 500 grain Hornady round nose (Weatherby's factory bullet for years) With a reduced load of IMR 4350 120 grains with a Winchester large rifle primer. for around 2600 fps. Its kinda weird setting your powder hopper for a load of 60 grains and then dumping it twice to get the full charge of 120 grains. Anyway we could see the bullet went completly thru the log blowing a big hole as it exited, and into the dirt bank. We dug and dug around three feet deep to finely find the bullet and it still weighed 385 grains and was a perfict mushroom. One very tuff bullet that Hornady 500. It was designed to drop Elephant and other Dangerious game. With 8000 foot pounds of energy pushing it has to be tuff. Yes the recoil is punshing with the 500 if you don't know how to roll with it. If you lean into it as some do it will take your baseball hat right off, no kiddng Ive seen friends do it. Drop the hammer and the snap throws the hat on the ground. It wonderfull to watch. High Country shot my 400 grain Barnes X load and its awesome but the 500 grain load is a hole other world.

I hate to packum so I dropum where I shootum

[in 'em]

the first step is admitting you have a problem...

:grin:

[Chesapeake]

Were does a 50 cal 375 grain bullet at 1750 fps fall in the magnum world?

Its kinda like hunting elk with a bow good for 100 yards, Penetration is everything.

For years I used a 300 win mag for everything. I just told the magnum skeptics it was just an 06 with a bit more speed. Its true!!!