Dye tablet legalities?

Bait O' Eggs · 03-09-2006, 07:32 AM

I know its against the law to shoot flares off in the ocean without needing help, but what about dispatching one of the dye markers??

Would it be against the law to dye a small patch of the ocean with some dye tablets to temporarily mark a spot? (I dont know how long a dye'd spot would last in the ocean, probably not long

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One time working, I colored the entire Elwah river lime green, but thats a different story

flapbreaker · 03-09-2006, 07:34 AM

I don't know about the legalities but what about just throwing a weighted bouy over?

Snakebite · 03-09-2006, 07:42 AM

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I know its against the law to shoot flares off in the ocean without needing help, but what about dispatching one of the dye markers??

Would it be against the law to dye a small patch of the ocean with some dye tablets to temporarily mark a spot? (I dont know how long a dye'd spot would last in the ocean, probably not long

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One time working, I colored the entire Elwah river lime green, but thats a different story

That's a weird question. To begin with, where would it drift, and how would that help you? Wouldn't a GPS coordinate be better?

skein · 03-09-2006, 07:50 AM

Yeah, I'm with Snakebite; why not just mark a waypoint?

Whatcha got up your sleeve?

Skein

Woody · 03-09-2006, 07:56 AM

This reminds me of an old joke.

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Before either one had boats, Roy and Gus went fishing in Tillamook Bay one day in a rented boat. They caught a lot of crabs and return to the shore. BOE: I hope you remember the spot where we caught all those crabs. Gus: Yes, I made an 'X' on the side of the boat to mark the spot. BOE: You idiot! How do you know we'll get the same boat?

Bait O' Eggs · 03-09-2006, 08:12 AM

I am thinking debri is sweet when it comes to holding fish, but I cant drag a bunch of pallets, kelp, and misc floating debri out in the ocean,

I just dont have enough room on the boat to make a proper sized debri field.

Temp breaks are great for holding fish, imagine a color break in the water that I can put where I want, mark where I put so I can find it again, allowing for drift.

I am thinking of a few gallons of concentrated dye dumped in a spot to maybe attract or hold the fish to an area. I am thinking a football sized field of dyed water about 20 feet deep as a fish holding area.

Just a thought I had, so dont tell anybody

I dont want everybody else doing it, mums the word

I was just wondering about the legalities, and if it was spotted, if the CG would go into search mode which I would not want to happen.

Help me Ray, how many more days

edsr · 03-09-2006, 09:26 AM

Cabin fever is setting in.

edsr

CATCH AND EAT · 03-09-2006, 09:30 AM

Roy, why don't ya just paint your toe nails until tuna season.

Bait O' Eggs · 03-09-2006, 09:40 AM

You can make fun of me,

and sure several of you will

but I read about the stories from Mexico where they find a dead floating whale and fishing is great around it, I know what a good temp break will do I have found them, I have found debri fields and catching has gone up, but I have to burn a lot of gas to find one of those natural occurances.

It just might be easier to make my own anomoly out there as long as I dont put our CG into rescue mode.

I cant post pics of the latest greatest tuna lure since Bud went and started this competition with tournaments

I have some new generation lures I am keeping under wraps :tongue: But thought I would ponder this idea amongst the dogs. I have more ideas, but I take enough abuse already

By August the ocean may look like an acid trip from the 60's for a few of you if dye schooled up the fish.

CATCH AND EAT · 03-09-2006, 09:55 AM

A bit touchy there Roy.

Maybe we could invent inflatable logs or something of the like that are retrievable. We could call them daisy logs

Not sure how the fish would react to the dye especially if it puts off and odor. It would definity change the light that is let through the surface though.

edsr · 03-09-2006, 09:58 AM

Roy - Remember the mat idea? Now, if you would rather tow a dead whale somewhere that's a lot harder and there's the smell thingy too.

skein · 03-09-2006, 10:13 AM

I don't even want to think about where this is going to end up.

What I *can* invision is a floating carpet, bouyed up by old Les Schwab inner tubes, and a ATV flag standing up in the middle.

Line up, boys, it's three casts for a dollar....

Skein

CATCH AND EAT · 03-09-2006, 10:19 AM

Jim don't forget the new craftsman portable spotting tower to be added to the Aces Of Eights. Booojaaaa

Mark Mc · 03-09-2006, 10:21 AM

Get a large bag of popcorn and have at it (dump it, not eat it).

bajadan2000 · 03-09-2006, 10:30 AM

Maybe you could talk the Jello Co. into making a sardine flavor jello and have them sponsor the event. That way the fish would have good food for awhile and they would eat the water hazard away. That should keep the CG happy. :lurk:

CATCH AND EAT · 03-09-2006, 11:10 AM

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Get a large bag of popcorn and have at it (dump it, not eat it).

Actually I have seen this work only with pretzels. Darnedest thing I have seen. Big bag of popcorn will work great.

Onokai · 03-09-2006, 12:09 PM

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( I just dont have enough room on the boat to make a proper sized debri field. )
Try a 1/4 or 1/2 stick of Dynomite in bow get on raft- lite fuze - should make for a whole debri field. Better put on o survival siut as well. Hope this helps Mark

I like the popcorn idea- food not junk in water.

Billfisher · 03-09-2006, 02:20 PM

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Chrome Bumper · 03-09-2006, 02:29 PM

Might be a little cold but just throw a crew member overboard. They will splash in one spot for over an hour in warm weather and they also attract game fish.

Sling Blade · 03-09-2006, 02:38 PM

I like Skeins idea. 15-20 truck inner tubes from Les Schwabs, cover with plywood, 1/4" cable for anchor line, large concrete block for anchor. I think it would work...

Don't they anchor bouy balls off the coast of HI to attract fish?

TROPHY1 · 03-09-2006, 04:53 PM

Mark MC has got it correct. that trick has been around for a long time. In my dads commercial days they used the popcorn in a paper bag to mark the spot and follow the drift for tuna. After a while it just melts into the sea and no harm no foul. Sometimes "Foul" Birds gather around when bag opens up then splash around after the popcorn, fish come up to see what is going on and the bit stays on a little longer. Honest they did it in the Oldin Days.

flapbreaker · 03-09-2006, 06:43 PM

On a serious note..... As long as the dye is not toxic I don't see how it would be illegal but I would think it would take a ton of the stuff to really make a "cloud cover". I don't have any experience with concentrated dye but for comparison if you dumbed a 5 gallon bucket of fish blood in the water it wouldn't really cover that much of an area.

If the dye method worked the only attention you might draw would be from aircraft I suppose.

Popeye · 03-09-2006, 06:47 PM

I think Wak & RJ are Waaaaay ahead of you on the popcorn thing!

It even had an impact on their lunch one day, if I remember correctly. :grin:

skein · 03-09-2006, 07:02 PM

Billfisher, I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

Can I buy some stock in the company. I need something in my "Pelagics Portfolio."

Tracker can put together the infomercial for you.

Skein

wthr4d · 03-09-2006, 10:39 PM

flapbreaker- I work with dyes every day and there are some out there that wouldnt take more than a quart jar of powder to cover the 100yd patch if spread correctly.the problem is that it would dissipate rather quickly. you may only get 3 hours of good cover and the cost for those dyes would be a solid crew share of fuel if not more.

The popcorn is the way to go...carry a single burner stove and big kettle pot, you'll have a whole weekends supply right on the boat!

Paul

5 Salt · 03-09-2006, 11:28 PM

Man I so want to make a crack on this one but I am keeping my trap shut on the bet I will I learn something new.

Ok, maybe just one crack - I have about 30 self-inflating mallard dekes with weights on 8ft strings - nice spread you got there Booly. Could work and lord knows I have tossed them plenty of times without any meat to show for the effort. Why not for tuners - just make sure your get your cripples.

Sorry, I know it's not a rookie place to crack on the senior man but....I am, a man of weak morals and near zero self-discipline is these types of affairs.

Mr. Fisherman · 03-10-2006, 03:24 AM

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Help me Ray, how many more days

113 days and slowly counting down....

Hang in there... I am growing my own debris field inside my boat... a top secret project of epic proportions.... The early season will certainly be a hit as only Pilar will eb ready and able to hit it.

No pics of this top secret project and no peeking...

Zodiac-Fisherman · 03-10-2006, 07:12 AM

Billfisher

I like the way your thnkin. Kelp paddy in a can. I've seen those collaspsable frisbee's. Might want to make the paddies the size of a crab trap, width-wise in its "folded up position".
Might take awhile before one starts gathering bait/fish. Throw in a gps receiever and your'll never loose it.

Another good idea is to use chopped bait, and make popsicles with the bait. That way you don't need to waste an entire baitfish for chum. Besides the added weight of the popsicle will allow you to throw it further away from the boat. A single anchovey doesn't fly very far.

Billfisher · 03-10-2006, 11:38 PM

Skein...

Thanks for the props. I was telling my wife after posting this that it is WAY too long until TUNA! season starts. As for the Tracker infomercial... I was thinking the same thing! I might even be able to fool somone into buying a few cans until they were onto me! Heck, if this Salmon thing truly goes south as is predicted, we might be able to market it as a gateway to an alternative fishery! Anyway, a couple of months to go, and all this silliness and angst will be replaced by fish body counts, and shots at the wall of fame!

tracker · 03-11-2006, 05:24 AM

The scene opens with your typical redneck fisherman with a disgusted look on his face checking his lures once again. He makes sure they are running right. Puts them back out with a look of "why am I out here." Finaly he stops the boat and starts to clear the spread to go home. No reason to stay when there are no fish. Then out of the water next to the boat pops "Onakai" with a can of "Kelp paddie in a can". Our redneck fisherman is reluctunt at first to believe his eyes. He wonders if all the beer he has drank is affecting his mind? Then Nalu pops to the surface and confirms Onakai's sales pitch. We see redneck buying a can as our two divers disapear into the deep. The redneck is seen to pop the lid on the can. With a quick cut away the camera now shows our redneck fisherman standing knee deep in tuna on the deck. He turns to the camera and says "Buy your own "kelp paddie in a can", but make sure you have room for the fish!" The commercial slowly fades as redneck is bringing another tuna over the side and throws it up into the cabin of the boat! :grin:

Billfisher · 03-11-2006, 08:26 AM

That is awesome! Talk about vision!

USCGBoating · 03-14-2006, 08:17 AM

All of this sounds great and is some very creative thinking out of the box. My two cents is that the dye is made to be a distress signal so, say some plane flys over and ses it and calls the CG......Other than that it may work.

Dan

Seelicious · 03-14-2006, 02:42 PM

Sea Fox has come up with a proven winner...

A clear, plastic 5 gallon water jug with small holes in it...very small...then we place the live bait inside...they swim around and create their "nervous" vibrations that bring the tuna running. It is weighted and placed about 10' under the surface.

When the tuna get there...real bait fish they cant catch..drives them nuts!!

We have positioned FAD's in strategic locations off Garibaldi...Big Tuna Marine members get the coordinates!

fish_on · 03-14-2006, 05:07 PM

Did you see the clips of them dying the river green in Boston for St. Pat's day? The boat was running at a pretty good clip why the guy put a powder in the river and it spread out pretty good.

Bait O' Eggs · 03-14-2006, 06:50 PM

I was thinking a black dye, a tuna is swimming along at depth, he looks up and sees a dark cloud, he thinks that must be a bait ball up there blocking the light, up he comes for a snack and all he finds is lures to snack on.

The ceiling fan on its side, hooked to a generator on an innertube might make a ruckus as the blade tips chopped thru the water

Mark Mc · 03-14-2006, 07:47 PM

Uh...a high-volume water hose, spraying out the side, is probably easier than a generator & fan. besides, that's how the commercial guys have been doing it for generations.

Oops, another secret out of the bag :blush:.

Draggin' Bait · 03-14-2006, 09:07 PM

That commercial sounds like something my grandfather would have done...because he did something like it once on Lake Michigan. For those of you who have fished Yellow Perch, you know they are a very tight schooling fish. He had a pet spot on the lake where there was a hole in the sand bed, which he lined up with a couple of trees and a church steeple. In the summer he fished from the boat, and in the winter that's where his ice shanty was parked. It was his pet, private, perch honey-hole. Well one day he went there with a friend and there was a stranger using the ice shanty as a windbreak, so he was a couple of feet outside the main hole. They went in, and of course were parked on top of the hole. After awhile, grandpa says, "Boy, it sure is a good thing no one else knows about putting red fingernail polish on your minnows to get the fish to bite." Didn't bring it up again, but a little later they quit for the afternoon and left with a bucket of fish. The stranger was still there with three or four perch freezing on the ice, but they made sure he could see they had a bucket full. Two weeks later they were going back, and as they were hiking out to the shanty a friend of theirs said, "Hey Hank...you hear the latest rage? You gotta try putting some red fingernail polish on your bait. They say some guy really cleaned up out here the other day!" I musta heard that story twenty times when I was a kid, and grandpa cracked up every time! Hmmm...maybe I will try a can of the stuff when you get it into production...you just never know...

wthr4d · 03-14-2006, 09:26 PM

so here is a thought on reuseable debris feilds. what about a military style camo nets like they use to cover supplies in the feild. strap on a few plastic jerry cans and cast out to drift. You could even put the live bait fish inside a few or some frozen chum stock.

Paul

Hooked on Fish · 03-14-2006, 09:32 PM

I think we're thinking to one dimensional here. Instead of creating the lighting effect in the water why not above? I bet army surplus store has one of those old smoke machines you could get fairly cheap. The fog effect would provide a light variation fooling the fish to think cover. You may also enjoy the added benefit of cloaking your activities if enemy subs are around. :grin:

Snakebite · 03-14-2006, 09:37 PM

Oh you guys crack me up! Thinking outside the box? Sounds like you've been locked up inside the box for too long! Now I'm afraid to go tuna fishing!

All kidding aside, I would love the opportunity to fill an open seat this season. To wit, look for my next post.

BigBull1 · 03-16-2006, 08:23 AM

I have read all of these posts and I admit that I have yet to go out Tuna fishing but maybe this year. I would be concerned about the dye staining my boat? I don't know if you are serious or not but I work with Wak and RJ and they have been known to try some unusual things. :whazzup:

edsr · 03-16-2006, 08:39 AM

It's been a long winter!! Cabin fever is really setting in.

edsr