USFS lands to be auctioned -

[BrianMaguire]

Don't be so sure land you hunt will not be on the auction block. 330,000 acres nationwide, 10,581 in Oregon. I found that over 400 acres of the Ochoco that I hunt are going to be sold. The USFS plans on selling Derr in the Ochoco. COnsidering that the parcel is 400 acres and connected to the forest I see no good reason to sell it. I can understand some tracts, lands outside of the forest, old buildings, parking lots, etc., can be sold, but good hunting areas? That is messed up, IMO.

http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/spd....OREGON%20TABLE

[Rank Amateur]

Another concern I would have too is the roads, if they sell a parcel with a road, do we then loose access to lands behind them?

I am getting more and more disgusted with our current administration.

What am I missing Brian, I only see 10,000 acres in Oregon?

[BrianMaguire]

What am I missing Brian, I only see 10,000 acres in Oregon?

Could be my math, maybe I should have just read the bottom of the web page. I used an excel spread sheet and, well, messed up.

[Rank Amateur]

Well Brian, we could always just join in, get our 40-60 acres and get an LOP tag each year, that would be good in the Ochoco's now! Maybe we should just sell all of our National Forests, everybody can get 60 acres and two LOP tags! Hmm.....how many elk are there? Oh, that don't matter!

[baltz526]

talk to the local forest supervisors,blm managers. they are the ones pushing each sale. what you will find is all the money for each sale go's to washington dc, put in the general fund with no guarentees a single dollar will come back to the the local sale area. unless a pre sale approved project was ok'd by congress before the sale was planned.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

If I understand it correctly, this is not a done deal. I do know that Butch Otter, congressman from Idaho who was a co-sponcer of the bill backed out and wrote an apology for even thinking about it to the state of Idaho. This is only a proposal, not a finished issue. I really doubt it will happen when its all said and done. I have been wrong before however. This has been a hot topic in Idaho and I can tell you that no user group ( even the tree huggers) will support it.

[baltz526]

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[TheRogue]

While in principle I'm against this...you need to understand some more.

These are almost all isolated, cut-off parcels. Believe me, these can become a literal nightmare to administer. People figure it's a great place to dump stuff, cook meth, grow dope, etc. There's no money to enforce the rules on these parcels, and very little desire to do so when there's so much going on elsewhere.

I'd prefer to see no public land sold, but these almost make sense to me.

TR

[B-RUN STEELIE]

They sell land all the time ?? They sell the resources on the land but do not transfer ownership. For example, a timber sale. Selling federal lands for conversion to privet property is not something they do all the time. You will also note that the sponcers of the bill are republicans.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

A little more info for those who have not actually read the bill. It is stalled as of this date with little support. Note the sponcer and the 13 co-sponcers. And most people blame this whole thing on the Dems.. Not so.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-3855

[Rank Amateur]

Thanks for the info. Let's just hope it dies. I never thought Demo for a minute.

[baltz526]

it will go through in some form,just not when you are watching

[B-RUN STEELIE]

Good thing we are watching huh ?? Can you provide any links or info as to federal lands sales in central Oregon where national forrest service or BLM land was sold to the highest bidder in the last 10 years or so ??? Not questioning your information, but being involved and intrested in the issue this would be usefull information. We have come up with nothing. Some land swaps, and some leases ( long term lease on forrest service land for personel use) Any info you can provide on that would be usefull. Thanks.

[Limbhanger]

Look at the USFS website, they have all the info there with all the land they plan to sell and the states included in the program.

A week ago or so, KGW.com had a link in the environmental section of their website. You could access Wyden and Smith from there to voice your opinions with email.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

What they "plan" to sell and what they "have" sold are two different things. We are all well aware of the "plan".. Another point to concider is the fact that the USFS will not get a dime of the proceeds. This money is earmarked to go into a general slush fund for items which are not clear. At no point is any of it going to be directed to the Forrest service. The USFS is not part of this "plan".

[saxwonder]

Go to this website and it will give you the contact info for any and all of the members of congress. Let em have it! http://capwiz.com/gunowners/home/

[baltz526]

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[B-RUN STEELIE]

O.K, thats just a web site for the forrest service and says nothing about past or future forrest sales, or land sales of any kind. Does mention timber sales which are "not" a transfer of land ownership. Keep yer heads on straight. Deal with facts not feelings. The Feds have not sold any land in the recent past and have to go through some major loop holes to get it done now. Its not looking good for the sponcers of this bill.

Checking with a source in the forrest service, he tells me no federal lands have been sold to a private party in central Oregon in decades. The land you mention in the Bend area was already private property, and was sold to developers with no federal involvement at all. If any one of you can show an instance when forrest service land was outright sold to the highest bidder for personel use and not involved in a land swap, I would be intrested to see the details.

[baltz526]

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[sandman]

What kind of money does the land go for.Lets get a couple guys together and buy it

[Jeremy]

From one of the links:

The Forest Service will be publishing a notice in the Federal Register around February 28th, requesting comments from the public. At that time, more detailed maps will be available for all lands identified as potentially eligible. The location of the maps will be published on this site at that date.

Here is a map that shows were all the Ochoco land is located the 400 acre parcel that Brian is talking about is in the NE corner of the map

http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/rural/R6_isolated.pdf

[BrianMaguire]

What kind of money does the land go for.Lets get a couple guys together and buy it

The USFS is estimating that the land, nationwide will go for about $2K an acre. I thought about buying the 40 acre parcel, if we can't stop the sale, next to the 400 acre parcel. However these areas have a ton of old growth Ponderosa and the timber value has to be in the 7 digits alone, not to mention a 400 acre section @$2K an acre - I don't have that kind of money.

Personally I would prefer that it stays public so we can all use it.

[Molly B]

If a private party buys the property, it goes back on the tax rolls right? Oregon has millions of acres of public land. It has always perturbed me when the state buys some huge ranch and takes it off the tax base.

[BrianMaguire]

If a private party buys the property, it goes back on the tax rolls right? Oregon has millions of acres of public land. It has always perturbed me when the state buys some huge ranch and takes it off the tax base.

Ranches and timber companies that own timber land don't pay jack in taxes. Local economies get so much more revenue from hunters comming in and spending cash than they do in taxes. Look at the land rich counties, take Wheeler county and tell me that they have huge tax rolls - NOT. That is why the state (read Willamette valley and PDX metro) had to bail out the schools in rural Oregon by forming a state wide school fund. Farm deferals assure that farms/ranches don't pay much if any property tax just so the farms don't go broke paying taxes. Putting this land in private hands won't do jack to the tax rolls.

[Molly B]

Ranches and timber companies that own timber land don't pay jack in taxes. Local economies get so much more revenue from hunters comming in and spending cash than they do in taxes. Look at the land rich counties, take Wheeler county and tell me that they have huge tax rolls - NOT. Farm deferals assure that farms/ranches don't pay much if any property tax just so the farms don't go broke paying taxes. Putting this land in private hands won't do jack to the tax rolls.

I beg to differ, ranches pay PLENTY in property taxes.

[Hawk]

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[B-RUN STEELIE]

Wow.. you took that wrong. Looking for facts not your opinion. The link you gave was nothing.

At any rate.. I don't wish it on you or anyone else. However, the "fact" is ... No person in Oregon has been selling your federal lands to a developer. Thats " FEDERAL" lands.. Homie.. Got a grip on what that means ??. At any rate, there could have been LAND SWAPS.. A person with private propery trades land that the FEDERAL goverment wants, in exchange for land that the FEDERAL goverment owns. This person can do as he wants with it. For every loss there is a gain. This current Bill is much different ( if you have even read it at all ) This is auction to the highest bidder.

Really glad you care, just think you are misguided with the rumor mill. While its fun and easy to think that 1 person did this too you.. its not reality. Sorry to leave you feeling insulted, but the fact is a whole lot more people in the West are just as upset as you are. Trust me, Idaho folks are P.Offed bigtime.

By the way, I "have" done my research.. and was hoping for some usefull information from you. The good news is, this thing is going nowhere fast.

[baltz526]

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[BrianMaguire]

I beg to differ, ranches pay PLENTY in property taxes.

Lets be clear here; If you want public land (all, most or some) to go private you are the enemy of every hunter who hunts public land, by far more dangerous than "greenies" in a hunters book.

[baltz526]

ps: an open auction is a whole lot more exceptable than the way our public lands have been sold off in the past.

[Hawk]

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[TheRogue]

It's been said above....

NO public land has been sold off in ages here in Oregon. There have been many many land swaps and exchanges taking place to consolidate holdings and get rid of some of these types of administrative problems that are presently proposed. It is federal law that any exchange must be of equal value. Granted, who sets that value certainly could be a bit shaky at times....what is valuable to a developer might not be valuable to the BLM/USFS, and vice-versa. Developer wants buildable land next to current services, and gov't wants to get rid of those little parcels next to civilization.

IF it is watched closely, it can be a win-win. Not that I trust this adminsitration one tiny bit, but there is potential for good here!!

TR

[Limbhanger]

The report I heard is that the money will be used for roads and schools. What concerns me the most about allowing the sale of any of our public lands no matter how small or landlocked, is that it COULD set a precedence in the future as an easy place to find money when there are budget shortfalls. The fact that most timber companies are good stewards of the land does not really matter in this instance, the bottom line is that the land will be private and they can lock it up as they see fit. Personally, I am not comfortable with the idea.

[baltz526]

self edited the earlier posts,just did not like the reread. to political

[sooslaw]

B-run steelie- that was a pretty accurate statement. I work for the FS(but i dont know 100%) but everything we do on my forest is an exchange or we purchase, just to clean up those maps and get those isolated pieces out of there.I did check out the link at the top of the post and the siuslaw has a piece 140 acres big, what appaers to be around corvalis or monmouth. I dont know the circumstances but i would guess its an isolated piece near town. Probably trading it for something of interest. I will check with a guy at work tommorrow and see if he knows anything.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

Not wanting a division here. We all need to keep our eye on the ball. As mentioned above, its the precedence thats being set. The west is not here to bail out everybody when the fed gov needs money. You know the give an inch and take a mile thing. It would be worse than if a Timer company bought it or something along those lines. We are talking anybody who can afford it. This is not in the best intrest of the average sportsman. Its a windfall for the rich and it won't happen ( I hope the last part of that last statement is true) I think the Fox is guarding the hen house and is in a hurry to get some cronies what they ahve always wanted. We can talk Rancher and taxes later. That deal is goofy as a football batt as well, but a different issue.

[Jeremy]

B-run steelie- that was a pretty accurate statement. I work for the FS(but i dont know 100%) but everything we do on my forest is an exchange or we purchase, just to clean up those maps and get those isolated pieces out of there.I did check out the link at the top of the post and the siuslaw has a piece 140 acres big, what appaers to be around corvalis or monmouth. I dont know the circumstances but i would guess its an isolated piece near town. Probably trading it for something of interest. I will check with a guy at work tommorrow and see if he knows anything.

Siuslaw BORMARC 10S 4W 17 139.74 NW

I looked at the Map its actually the Township and Range Northwest of Albany and South of Buena Vista not too far from Hwy 99 (one section east of hwy 99)

probably a pretty good spot for duck and goose hunting in the permit zone, 140 acres would be just about the right size for a nice spread of decoys if you want to pay the $280,000 price at auction for it, looks like its all in the flood plain so you probably couldnt build anything permanent there!!!

[D-tangle]

Excellent points, hawk.

[D-tangle]

Limbhanger, it is a tough call to privatize, but socialization will historically take the 'free use' of the land out of the common mans hands and give access to only the rich and the political. In time, it will become privatized and the timber used and replanted, or it will become 'corban' and worshipped so no one can touch it (read: no hunting, fishing, or motor vehicles). Bird watchers in soft-soled sneakers will be the only ones to use the outdoors. Even now, our parks are charging user fees on top of our taxes and the Sno-park fees are double taxation to tread upon these 'hallowed grounds'. I want to see the timber harvested, used and replanted before it is burned, wasted and not re-planted like thousands of acres the last two years. Just my opinion.

[baltz526]

here is a primer for you to do your research from. lots of leads on how to aquire data on fedral land sales. the actual names and phone numbers of participating parties. the actual name of the law passed to sell these lands. the way they add parcels to this act is mentioned, in this statement (tract c lands) suggesting that (tract a) would be the first sale.here is a question for you:--why would the deschutes nation forest need a realty& geothermal project manager, if they do not sell public lands.

[Salmo trutta]

To all you fine folks who think it's a jolly good idea to sell "PUBLIC" land to private interests: Move to Texas or better yet move to Europe!!! That way you can pay your $10,000 lease and hunt all you want.

I would prefer MORE public land to hunt and recreate in, not less. Anyway with public lands we all are watchdogs over the management of it. (Even the "greenies") Not so with private lands.

Everyone needs to keep an eye on this stuff.

[TheRogue]

So.....we have declining budgets in part due to public lands being locked up, for a short confused while this last fall we couldn't even commerically harvest mushrooms...mostly in part to those folks who want MORE public lands, not less. We have these little isolated pieces that in MOST cases it would be in everyone's best interests to get rid of.

What is supposed to be done? This administration has made it very, very clear. USFS and BLM on-the-ground budgets have been FLAT or CUT for every year for the past 7 years, and the next three are forecast to be significant CUTS (not counting "special pork" projects). Whether you agree to this type of budgeting or not (I don't), that is reality.

TR

[Beeatease]

Is there a link to the locations?

I'd like to look the plots over and since they give range,township, etc they should be easy to find.....

I'm talking about the Ochoco/Crooked River Grasslands area

[Jeremy]

the link is at the top of this post, if you wait 4 more days, the forest service will be publishing pretty detailed maps of every location.

[Rank Amateur]

I don't think any of us agree with the cuts to the Federal land managers budgets, some of us will disagree with the amount of cut that was going on and about saving some of last remaining big timber patches or roadless areas though (remember I'm a ex-logger).

I think the land swaps are good as long as access to other public lands is not impeded.

The current administration does not value the recreational value of our public lands or the money it takes to keep it a viable resource. It is interesting how much money they will spend on a river (dredge or dam) to keep commercial traffic flowing, yet will not spend a dime on a AMERICAN pasttime that has a huge impact on the economy. I think also a lot of the old school Federal managers are in the same lot, they still want to do the same old things of the good old days. That time has past. There will be new logging some day, we just are going to have to wait for the 100's of thousands of acres of land that we cut in the 70's & 80's to grow back. Might be a long wait over on the East side. Maybe this time we will cut it in a more sustained manner.

I view this whole defunding thing as punishment, it would only take a tiny fraction of the foreign aid money we dole out each year to keep the land managers happy. It's all about priorities!

[Beeatease]

Thanks Jeremy,

I looked at the link earlier and got the list of lots they are considering.

I love pretty maps.....guess I'll have to wait

[Jeremy]

Thanks Jeremy,

I looked at the link earlier and got the list of lots they are considering.

I love pretty maps.....guess I'll have to wait

I can make you some maps of them before then if you want i will probably be doctoring up the ones they do make since im sure they wont have too much info on them.

[garyk]

Most important is WHY these sales of public land are being proposed?

ANSWER: To generate revenue for general Federal government operations, as current budgets are running tremendous deficits.

The lesson?

In both business and public policy, it's extremely short-sighted to sell your capital assets to cover immediate operating expenses.

[Beeatease]

Jeremy,

Thanks for the offer, since it's just a proposed sale and/or exchange I was more curious than anything.

I can wait.

It was nice of you to ofer though.

John

[Jeremy]

There is an ochoco map out there already if you havnt found it yet: http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/rural/R6_isolated.pdf

[Jennie@ifish]

D tangle.... actually, that kind of post gets you put into private moderation.

We will NOT allow name calling on ifish, period.

All others: thank you for keeping things civil.

Jen

[baltz526]

Does the Federal Government ever sell public land?
The answer is yes. Lands identified as excess to the public's and Government's needs or more suited to private ownership are sometimes offered for sale. This brochure explains the procedures and where to go for more details.
First, it's important to understand the Federal Government has two major categories of property which it makes available for sale: real property and public lands.

Real Property is primarily developed land with buildings, usually acquired by the Federal Government for a specific purpose, such as a military base or office building. If you are interested in real property, contact the General Services Administration (GSA). This Federal agency is responsible for selling developed surplus property. Addresses and telephone numbers for the GSA regional offices are listed in the back of this brochure.

Public Land is undeveloped land with no improvements, usually part of the original public domain established during the western expansion of the United States. Most of this land is in the 11 Western States and Alaska, although some scattered parcels are in the East. This land is the responsibility of the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Land Management (BLM). (Note: Because of land entitlements to the State of Alaska and to Alaska Natives, no public land sales will be conducted in Alaska in the foreseeable future.)

The BLM does not offer much land for sale because of a congressional mandate in 1976 to generally retain these lands in public ownership. The BLM does, however, occasionally sell parcels of land where our land use planning finds disposal is appropriate.

We receive numerous questions about land sales and have prepared page to answer the most common ones. You may also obtain more detailed information from one of the BLM state offices.


Where are these public lands?
Almost all are in the Western States of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming.

There are also small amounts in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Washington, and Wisconsin.

There are no public lands managed by the BLM in Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Is any of this land available free through homesteading?
No. Congress has repealed the Homestead Act.

What lands are available?
Although homesteading is a thing of the past, the BLM does have some lands suitable for purchase by private citizens. These are lands that have been identified as unneeded by the Federal Government or as better utilized in private ownership. By law, these lands are made available for sale at no less than fair market value.

How are these lands selected for sale?
The law states that the BLM can select lands for sale if, through land use planning, they are found to meet one of three criteria: 1) they are scattered, isolated tracts, difficult or uneconomic to manage; 2) they were acquired for a specific purpose and are no longer needed for that purpose; or 3) disposal of the land will serve important public objectives, such as community expansion and economic development.

What do the lands look like?
Land types vary widely. Some may be desert; some are rural. Some are small parcels of just a few acres; some are several hundred acres in size.

Is any land suitable for farming?
Any lands with agricultural potential will be clearly identified in the sale notice. However, most public lands have little or no agricultural potential.

On the average, what would public land cost per acre?
There is no "average" cost. Each parcel is evaluated separately through established appraisal procedures, based on the value of surrounding parcels. Fair market value is determined for each parcel. No parcel can be sold for less than fair market value.

How is the land actually sold?
The BLM has three options for selling land: modified competitive bidding where some preferences to adjoining landowners are recognized, direct sale to one party where circumstances warrant, and competitive bidding at public auction. The sale method is determined on a case-by-case basis, depending on the circumstances of each particular parcel or sale.

Are there any preferences for veterans?
No laws currently exist allowing the BLM to give veterans any preference for land purchases.

Where can If out about land that is going to be sold?
Your best source is the BLM office with jurisdiction over the area you're interested in. The BLM State Offices and their jurisdictions are noted in the back of this brochure. They can send you sale information. Sale information will also be published and broadcast in local news media.

Where are land sales held?
They are held near the area to be sold, either at the local BLM office or in a suitable public location. Sales by the BLM are not held in Washington, D.C.

Are there any restrictions on who can bid on these parcels?
Federal law states that the BLM can sell public land only to U.S. citizens or corporations subject to Federal or State laws.

Must I appear in person to participate at the sale?
Your personal appearance is not required, but it is always to your advantage to examine the parcel and know exactly what you are bidding on.

Sales can be conducted by oral bid, sealed bid, or a combination of both. However, even if only oral bidding is allowed, you can be represented by an agent.

Details on procedures for a particular sale are specified in the sale notice available from the BLM. The notice will specify type of sale, the percentage of the full price that must be deposited with each bid, and the time period allowed for full payment. The highest qualified bidder is eligible to buy the land; the deposits of unsuccessful bidders are returned

How is payment made? Is there financing available?
A certain minimum percentage of the full price is required with each bid. If you are the successful high bidder, the balance must be paid in full to the BLM within a set period of time before a deed or patent can be issued. Long-term financing must be arranged through private lenders.

Once the BLM issues my deed, can I do anything I want with the land?
Yes, according to the terms of the deed and subject to State or local restrictions. The sale notice will clearly specify any Federal reservations or conditions of sale. These might include reserving mineral rights to the Federal Government, or allowing some currently authorized uses, such as grazing, to continue for a certain period of time, or reserving rights-of-way or easements for powerlines, pipelines, etc.

You are advised to review these conditions carefully so that you fully understand what your deed does and does not include.

What about local taxes, zoning, etc.?
Once you receive title, the land is subject to all applicable State and local taxes, zoning ordinances, etc.

Are water, power, and sewer service available on all parcels?
You should check with the city or county involved to see if such services are available.

Are there roads or easements that guarantee I can get to the property?
The sale notice will explain legal access to the property or any access restrictions. You are advised to check out the parcel before you buy, including finding out if available access meets your needs.

I'd like to find out what parcels the BLM currently has listed for sale. Where can I obtain that information?
The BLM State Offices are your best source. They can tell you what sales are currently scheduled and what prospects are coming up. You can write, call, or visit them periodically for latest details.

If a sale is currently scheduled, information can be requested from the BLM describing the property and method of sale.

More detailed information, such as land reports, environmental assessments, etc., is also available upon request for a small copy fee.

TAX DELINQUENCY SALES
Some local governments sell private land on which taxes have been delinquent to satisfy the tax debt. The Federal Government has no involvement in these sales. The best source for information is the local county tax assessor in the area involved.

STATE LAND PROGRAMS
State governments sometimes sell state-owned land. Information on these types of sales can be obtained through the State Lands Office in the State capital.


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[baltz526]

http://firstgovsearch.gov/search?v%3apro...ction=list& look here

[baltz526]

http://www.blm.gov/nhp/what/lands/realty/ look here

[baltz526]

Bureau of Land Management
FY 2005 Proposed Land Sales
Direct Sale: Sales to State or local governments for public needs, sales to resolve title or
occupancy issues, or sales to an adjacent property owner of public land with no public
access.
Modified Competitive (Mod. Comp.) Sale: Sales that allow an existing user or
adjacent property owner to meet the high bid at a public sale; to protect existing uses or
assure compatibility of uses on adjacent lands.
Competitive Sale: Sales of public land that have potential competitive market value and
lands are generally accessible and usable regardless of adjacent land ownership.
Arizona
Phoenix Field Office (Phone: 623-580-5500)
Gila County
Direct 50 acres Aug. 2005 near Globe
Direct 0.5 acres Aug. 2005 near Miami
Kingman Field Office (Phone: 928-718-3700)
Mohave County
Direct 2.5 acres Dec. 2004 near Peach Springs (SOLD)
California
Bishop Field Office (Phone: 760-872-5000)
Mono County
Direct 28 acres April 2005 1.5 miles N of Bridgeport
Direct 0.1 acre July 2005 20 miles N of Bishop
Folsom Field Office (Phone: 916-985-4474)
Tuolumne County
Direct 1.59 acres June 2005 20 miles S of Jamestown
Surprise Field Office (Phone: 530-279-6101)
Modoc County
Direct 0.3 acres July 2005 15 miles S of Cedarville
Colorado
Kremmling Field Office (Phone: 970-724-3000)
Grand County
Competitive 80 acres FY 05 6 miles S of Granby
Mod. Comp. 41.26 acres FY 05 6 miles S of Granby
Competitive 2.65 acres FY 05 10 miles N of Granby
Competitive 2.65 acres FY 05 10 miles N of Granby
Mod. Comp. 3.2 acres FY 05 20 miles N of Granby
Dir. or Mod. 33.87 acres FY 06 3 miles NW of Kremmling
Mod. Comp. 2.73 acres FY 06 3 miles NW of Kremmling
Dir. or Mod. 21.71 acres FY 06 11 miles N of Kremmling
Mod. Comp. 10 acres FY 06 3 miles E of Kremmling
Jackson County
Dir. or Mod. 31.90 acres Sept. 2005 15 miles N of Walden
Dir. or Mod. 40 acres Sept. 2005 14 miles N of Walden
Del Norte Field Office (Phone: 719-657-3321)
Rio Grande County
Competitive 40 acres Sept. 2005 2 miles S of Del Norte
Saguache Field Office (Phone: 719-655-2547)
Saguache County
Competitive 25 acres Sept. 2005 4 miles SW of La Garita
La Jara Field Office (Phone: 719-274-8971)
Alamosa County
Competitive 40 acres Sept. 2005 1 mile S of Great Sand Dunes NP
Eastern States
Milwaukee Field Office (Phone: 414-297-4400)
Langlade County, Wisconsin
Mod. Comp. 1.18 acres June 2005 11 miles N of Antigo
Vilas County, Wisconsin
Direct 0.26 acres Sept. 2005 northern Wisconsin
Jackson Field Office (Phone: 601-977-5400)
Walton County, Florida
Direct 0.58 acres Sept. 2005 panhandle of Florida
Idaho
Owyhee Field Office (Phone: 208-384-3300)
Owyhee County
Direct 20.69 acres Sept. 2005 21 miles SW of Jordon Valley (OR)
Direct 1,300 acres Aug. 2005 5 miles SW of Marsing (landfill)
Bruneau Field Office (Phone: 208-384-3300)
Owyhee County
Direct 30 acres July 2005 7 miles E of Grand View
Shoshone Field Office (Phone: 208-732-7200)
Jerome County
Direct 15 acres Sept. 2005 12 miles SE of Jerome
Challis Field Office (Phone: 208-879-6200)
Custer County
Direct 0.75 acres Sept. 2005 3 miles W of Challis
Idaho Falls Office (Phone: 208-524-7500)
Madison County
Direct 139.76 acres August 2005 8 miles W of Rexburg (landfill)
Montana
Malta Field Office (Phone: 406-654-1240)
Valley County
Competitive 40 acres June 2005 4 miles W of Glasgow
Competitive 0.179 acres Sept. 2005 Glasgow
Phillips County
Direct 1.95 acres April 2005 Zortman
South Dakota Field Office (Phone: 605-892-7000)
Lawrence County (SD)
Direct 8.93 acres April 2005 Black Hills area
Direct 4.05 acres April 2005 Black Hills area
Nevada
Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act
Las Vegas Field Office (Phone: 702-515-5000)
Clark County
Direct 3 acres Nov. 2004 Las Vegas (1 parcel) (SOLD)
Competitive 1,925 acres Feb. 2005 Las Vegas (57 parcels) (SOLD)
Competitive 3,387 acres August 2005 Las Vegas (89 parcels)
Lincoln County Conservation, Recreation, & Development Act (LCCRDA)
Ely Field Office (Phone: 775-289-1800)
Lincoln County
Competitive 13,328 acres Feb. 2005 Mesquite (8 parcels) (SOLD)
Federal Land Policy and Management Act
Battle Mountain Field Office (Phone: 775-635-4000)
Esmeralda County
Direct 20 acres Aug. 2005 1 mile SE of Dyer
Nye County
Direct 100 acres Aug. 2005 Town of Hadley
Competitive 40 acres Aug. 2005 Town of Beatty
Carson City Field Office (Phone: 775-885-6000)
Douglas County
Competitive 206 acres Sept. 2005 5 miles S of Carson City
Washoe County
Competitive 30 acres April 2005 19 miles S of Reno
Competitive 91 acres Aug. 2005 12 miles S of Reno
Elko Field Office (Phone: 775-753-0200)
Elko County
Competitive 80 acres Feb. 2005 2 miles E of Elko (SOLD)
Direct 160 acres Feb. 2005 3 miles SE of Jiggs (SOLD)
Direct 81 acres Sept. 2005 West Wendover
Competitive 160 acres Sept. 2005 18 miles SE of Tuscarora
Competitive 80 acres Sept. 2005 3 miles NW of Tuscarora
Competitive 961 acres Sept. 2005 4 miles W of West Wendover
Competitive 3,560 acres Sept. 2005 6 miles SW of Montello
Competitive 200 acres Sept. 2005 1 mile S of Jackpot
Eureka County
Competitive 80 acres Sept. 2005 5 miles SE of Dunphy
Lander County
Competitive 160 acres Feb. 2005 7 miles NW of Battle Mtn. (SOLD)
Competitive 119 acres Feb. 2005 2 miles NW of Battle Mtn. (SOLD)
Ely Field Office (Phone: 775-289-1800)
Lincoln County
Competitive 26 acres Sept. 2005 15 miles NE of Pioche
Competitive 640 acres June 2005 15 miles NW of Mesquite
Ely Field Office (Phone: 775-289-1800) continued
White Pine County
Competitive 10 acres June 2005 13 miles SE of Eureka
Competitive 279 acres June 2005 20 miles N of McGill
Las Vegas Field Office (Phone: 702-515-5000)
Clark County
Competitive 2,086 acres June 2005 3 miles NW of Laughlin (77 parcels)
Direct 400 acres April 2005 1 mile SE of Jean
Winnemucca Field Office (Phone: 775-623-1500)
Humboldt County
Competitive 880 acres Oct. 2004 20 miles S of McDermott (SOLD)
Mod. Comp. 1,440 acres Sept. 2005 40 miles NW of Winnemucca
Mod. Comp. 440 acres Sept. 2005 40 miles NW of Winnemucca
Competitive 1,910 acres Sept. 2005 26 miles NW of Winnemucca
Competitive 1,200 acres Sept. 2005 10 miles NE of Winnemucca
Pershing County
Mod. Comp. 798 acres Sept. 2005 48 miles SW of Winnemucca
New Mexico
Farmington Field Office (Phone: 505-599-8900)
Rio Arriba County
Direct 22 acres June 2005 3 miles E of Lybrook
San Juan County
Direct 1.96 acres Dec. 2005 N of Aztec (County rodeo grounds)
Direct 110 acres Aug. 2005 City of Bloomfield (industrial park)
Las Cruces Field Office (Phone: 505-525-4300)
Dona Ana County
Competitive 416 acres Aug. 2005 10 miles S of Las Cruces
Competitive 320 acres Sept. 2005 2 miles W of Las Cruces
Oregon/Washington
Eugene District (Phone: 541-683-6600)
Lane County
Mod. Comp. 1.21 acres June 2005 8 miles W of Junction City
Mod. Comp. 2.49 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles W of Junction City
Mod. Comp. 1.40 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles W of Junction City
Direct 0.45 acres April 2005 10 miles E of Cottage Grove
Direct 0.16 acres Sept. 2005 15 miles SE of Cottage Grove
Direct 3.67 acres Sept. 2005 12 miles W of Junct. City (landfill)
Coos Bay District (Phone: 541-756-0100)
Coos County
Mod. Comp. 80 acres June 2005 3 miles N of Coos Bay
Vale District (Phone: 541-473-3144)
Baker County
Direct 11.25 acres Jan. 2005 14 miles E of Baker City (SOLD)
Lakeview District (Phone: 541-947-2177)
Klamath County
Competitive 520 acres Sept. 2005 5 miles from Malin
Mod. Comp. 40 acres Dec. 2004 5 miles from Malin (SOLD)
Prineville District (Phone: 541-416-6700)
Wheeler County
Mod. Comp. 40 acres Sept. 2005 2.5 miles SW of Mitchell
Jefferson County
Mod. Comp. 354 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles E of Madras
Utah
Vernal Field Office (Phone: 435-781-4400)
Uintah County
Direct 30 acres FY 05 2 miles S of Vernal
St. George Field Office (Phone: 435-688-3200)
Washington County
Competitive 1,450 acres FY 05/06 W of St. George
Kanab Filed Office (Phone: 435-644-4600)
Kane County
Competitive 120 acres FY 05 2 miles N of Alton
Wyoming
Rawlins Field Office (Phone: 307-328-4200)
Sweetwater County
Direct 10 acres FY 05 Town of Wamsutter
Worland Field Office (Phone: 307-347-5100)
Washakie County
Direct 3.75 acres FY 05 E of Ten Sleep
Rock Springs Field Office (Phone: 307-352-0256)
Sweetwater County
Direct 39.10 acres FY 05 NE of Farson
Casper Field Office (Phone: 307-261-7600)
Platte County
Direct 20 acres FY 05 Town of Hartville (sewage treatment) <font color="red"> Oregon/Washington
Eugene District (Phone: 541-683-6600)
Lane County
Mod. Comp. 1.21 acres June 2005 8 miles W of Junction City
Mod. Comp. 2.49 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles W of Junction City
Mod. Comp. 1.40 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles W of Junction City
Direct 0.45 acres April 2005 10 miles E of Cottage Grove
Direct 0.16 acres Sept. 2005 15 miles SE of Cottage Grove
Direct 3.67 acres Sept. 2005 12 miles W of Junct. City (landfill)
Coos Bay District (Phone: 541-756-0100)
Coos County
Mod. Comp. 80 acres June 2005 3 miles N of Coos Bay
Vale District (Phone: 541-473-3144)
Baker County
Direct 11.25 acres Jan. 2005 14 miles E of Baker City (SOLD)
Lakeview District (Phone: 541-947-2177)
Klamath County
Competitive 520 acres Sept. 2005 5 miles from Malin
Mod. Comp. 40 acres Dec. 2004 5 miles from Malin (SOLD)
Prineville District (Phone: 541-416-6700)
Wheeler County
Mod. Comp. 40 acres Sept. 2005 2.5 miles SW of Mitchell
Jefferson County
Mod. Comp. 354 acres Sept. 2005 9 miles E of Madras
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[baltz526]

you will notice a trend in my above posts, the fedral government sells land every year, and most that you will find for sale is in the west. if you go to past years sales, you will see the government has been selling public lands for a long time. so for others on this thread to say our government has not been selling land, <font color="red"> (is false). </font> and had they done any research at all they would have known this.

[sooslaw]

I talked to the Ditrict Lands Manager here and asked about the tract of land aorund monmouth listed. Our maps dont cover that area as it is isolated from other forest service land. He said it was an old army base or something and now it is just an overgrown blackberry patch. He said it was true that they are proposing to sell the land for revenue ans he is not happy with that decision. It is not something we typically do (here) and it is more beneficial to the PEOPLE that we trade the land. He did say that the proposals probably dont stand a chance in heck of going through. He did say that in relation to the rest of the U.S. we are not getting hit that hard in the proposal. On our district, we are always trying to acquire nice bottomlands that are excellent wildlife habitat and we have recently. Most of this stuff is for the Fish folks and not really concerned with elk and deer unfortunately.

[baltz526]

http://www.fs.fed.us/land/staff/disposal.html if your interested this will get you into the usfs realty office. why would the usfs need a large realty staff and seperate website if they do not sell public lands.

[B-RUN STEELIE]

Nice posts. Good information. So, along the way in your study you can see that what you have been told and what you have read is very much in line with what several people have already stated. Land transfers take place all the time. Usually very small parcels that are isolated and in un-desirable locations next to or locked up by private property, or in exchange for other property. Its not a case where an invevester says " hey, what a cool place to build some condo's".. and then just buys the land from the USFS or BLM.

It also points out that the current proposal is very, very different in scope and method. Its a large scale land sell off where the money goes to who knows what.

I guess the best part being the statement that they doubt it will ever happen. From what I have been able to gather and talking with people who are active in this issue, paying for the past with your future is really poor business, and the Forrest service and BLM both know that.

[baltz526]

Its not a case where an invevester says " hey, what a cool place to build some condo's".. and then just buys the land from the USFS or BLM.

except where that is exactly what happens. if you read my above letter. the sunriver land mentioned was sold by the usfs to the sunriver resort owners and they are expanding the home sites near there destination resort. adding hundreds of single family vacation homes and a bunch of condos. along with more golf course holes. and the blm land in lapine was transfered to deschutes county. so deschutes county could resell it to developers for single family homes and apartments to grow the tax base in southern deschutes county. both of these areas of public land are being developed, one a direct sale to the developer. the other a land transfer land exchange combo, ending in the developers hands.one of the good things about the lapine land exchange is the blm has received a good section of wildlife corridor in the deal. north side of the little dschutes river on lapine state rec rd. the problem with that is the blm has not removed the previous owners no trespassing signs. or put up any new signage in the area. the rancher that got the trade, immediatly sold some of the land he got for hundreds of thousands of dollars. but the blm can not afford a couple hours labor and some new signs.