Over 200 birds out of season

Eric Strand · 02-22-2006, 09:05 PM

These guys make me sick, over 200 birds out of season.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...602210331/1006

" Shoot em with their feet down "
Eric Strand

thehunt · 02-22-2006, 09:24 PM

That is just disgusting. I hate to see that the un-educated writer actually referred to the slobs that did this as hunters. I think I will be writing her a letter. This is horrible and I hope they catch, and convict whom ever is responsible.

QH's Paw · 02-23-2006, 04:52 AM

Eric, after reading the article you refered to in your post I found myself highly "steamed" for two reasons 1. the birds and what had happened. 2. because of the writers reference to the poachers as hunters. It motivated me to write an email to Ms. Murray Below is the email I sent. Does it sound like a fair assessment to you guys?

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Ms. Murray, I just read your article on the waterfowl found dead in the Delaware city area. I Found it sickening and heart wrenching that anyone would commit such an act. However, I must say I find it nearly as offensive that you refer to them as "hunters". The individual(s) who commited this crime against our natural resources are "poachers" and any other term you see fit to use for "criminal(s)". I believe you have added fuel to the anti-hunting fire with your misstated term. Please consider this in your next article about "POACHERS". By the by, I hope they catch the SOBs and hang'm from the yardarm. Public flogging might be to good for them.
Sincerely,
Michael L. Lunn
Oregon Hunter and proud of it!

I had other thoughts and feelings but even the moderators here on ifish would have to edit them if included.

duckintheblood · 02-23-2006, 06:45 AM

i can't find the words to describe the utter hate i have towards the people who commited this crime.

Eric Strand · 02-23-2006, 08:25 AM

I agree with you all. QH"s Paw, thanks for taking the initiative and writing in.

" Shoot em with their feet down "
Eric Strand

thehunt · 02-23-2006, 08:30 AM

Please pm or post her email. thanks

thehunt · 02-23-2006, 08:48 AM

mmurray@delawareonline.com

I found it.

Daffyblaster · 02-23-2006, 09:53 AM

Disgusting! Hangin's too good for them. I think God has a special hell for people that commit such atrocities to nature. What saddens me is that I can't speed their journey to that hell.

Good email, QH's Paw. Spot on!

Ethical hunter · 02-23-2006, 10:19 AM

This makes me sick!! I dont understand how some useless waste of space poachers can live with themselves. Hundreds of pounds of wasted meat.

This is slightly more disturbing than the common practice of "just breasting" and throwing the rest of the bird away. I have found piles of "breasted" birds before and been disgusted by the blanant waste. One of these piles was not too far from Sauvies WMA - hummmm.

EH

thehunt · 02-23-2006, 10:43 AM

This is slightly more disturbing than the common practice of "just breasting" and throwing the rest of the bird away. I have found piles of "breasted" birds before and been disgusted by the blanant waste. One of these piles was not too far from Sauvies WMA - hummmm.

Ethical hunter · 02-23-2006, 11:08 AM

Shooting and dumping 200 ducks and geese is equivilent to just breasting 600 ducks and geese. There is no difference! the amount of needlessly wasted game is exactly the same. I hope the disgust that we all feel about this hideous waste of our game birds will show the "breasters" just how wasteful that practice is.

There is no difference between shooting and dumping 200 birds and breasting 600. This point is crystal clear.

Defending the wasteful practice of "breasting" your waterfowl is the same as defending the disgusting act of dumping these 200 birds.

EH

WoodShampoo · 02-23-2006, 11:49 AM

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Shooting and dumping 200 ducks and geese is equivilent to just breasting 600 ducks and geese. There is no difference! the amount of needlessly wasted game is exactly the same. I hope the disgust that we all feel about this hideous waste of our game birds will show the "breasters" just how wasteful that practice is.

There is no difference between shooting and dumping 200 birds and breasting 600. This point is crystal clear.

Defending the wasteful practice of "breasting" your waterfowl is the same as defending the disgusting act of dumping these 200 birds.

EH

Didn't you just rant about this on ifish community??? You have a decent point, but leave other people's posts alone and make your own about "breasting" if you're so passionate about it.
Brian

HammondSeaRanger · 02-23-2006, 12:07 PM

you guys said "breasting" ... sweet.

Bull7x6 · 02-23-2006, 01:37 PM

heh, heh, heh...what he said...

Ethical hunter · 02-23-2006, 02:22 PM

"You have a decent point, but leave other people's posts alone and make your own about "breasting" if you're so passionate about it."

Wasting wildlife, whole or in part, by sport harvesters is nothing short of criminal. Two hundred birds dumped to rot get peoples attention and rightly so.

I have made this point on breasting on my own post. It is easy to do a search and read through the threads on breasting. If you do so you will find that some extremely successful hunters admit to breasting waterfowl. Yet, these same extremely succussful waterfowlers are treated like icons with no mention of the massive amounts of game meat knowingly and needlessly wasted. My question is, what is the difference between wasting any amount of game meat be it a whole bird or just parts of the game bird? Truth is there is no difference, 1 lb or 100 lbs wasted its all criminal.

EH

WoodShampoo · 02-23-2006, 04:02 PM

There you go again.

DukAddict · 02-23-2006, 04:50 PM

Ethical Hunter- YES there is a huge difference in breasting a bird after your hunt, and the fact that these people just dumped the birds. People who breast their birds are obviously making an attempt to get their meat.

Did you ever think about that?

Brett

CMallardDrake · 02-23-2006, 05:30 PM

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"... My question is, what is the difference between wasting any amount of game meat be it a whole bird or just parts of the game bird? Truth is there is no difference, 1 lb or 100 lbs wasted its all criminal."

I don't know EH...maybe you've hit the wall on this waste of meat thing.

Take it from a waterfowler who seldom breast his birds out and can sorta understand your stance on this issue. But...the difference between 100 lbs of waste and 1lb is a lot and the later is not criminal.

Kinda like me feeling bad about not "licking my plate clean" after each and every meal as I'm pretty certain after not doing so, in a weeks time, I've wasted some fine eat'n and most likely a pound of it, that has gone to the sink and down the drain.

duckboy · 02-23-2006, 05:45 PM

Man,

I just can not understand why someone would do something like that.

I mean, just think about the personality it would take, and the sickness of the mind that someone would have to do do that.

It is not a small amount of hunting to get that many birds. If it was 1 guy, then it would have taken a long time, more likely it was several guys, in which case, someone will have bragged or told the wron folks, and I believe it will come back to haunt them.

I can not fathom doing something like that.

It just does not compute.

It is nice to see that everyone on here feels like that.

There are no bragging rights or good memories with this type of deal..

Somone will go down and hopefully go down very very hard on this.

I hope that a big mean dude named "Tiny" is their cellmate in Jail, and I hope Tiny has an overwhelming desire to get Close and Personal with the Great Poacher, and they can both talk about honey Holes together in Blissful Jailtime.

BrotherWolf · 02-23-2006, 05:57 PM

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Kinda like me feeling bad about not "licking my plate clean" after each and every meal as I'm pretty certain after not doing so, in a weeks time, I've wasted some fine eat'n and most likely a pound of it, that has gone to the sink and down the drain.

ooooo my ya know what they say 1 lb or 100 lbs wasted its all criminal."

Do I need to call the sheriff and report you?? after all its criminal to the starving kids of the world to waste food. :grin:

CMallardDrake · 02-23-2006, 06:03 PM

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ooooo my ya know what they say 1 lb or 100 lbs wasted its all criminal."

Do I need to call the sheriff and report you?? after all its criminal to the starving kids of the world to waste food.

Why did I just have a childhood flashback of being six years old, in front of a plate loaded with navy beans and my mother proclaiming almost exactly your quote above.

duckintheblood · 02-23-2006, 08:30 PM

Ethical Hunter why is it that everytime that you reply to a post you have to make it you own. There quite a few people who are getting very tired of your continuous rants on every singal post that you reply to. i am not saying that you don't have the right to reply to posts cause you do. but please keep your egotistical, i'm better than you attitude to yourself once in awhile.

DukAddict · 02-23-2006, 08:40 PM

Preach it brotha!

hahaha

Opportunist · 02-23-2006, 08:43 PM

Ethical Hunter, Breast out birds BAD, eat whole bird GOOD, GOT IT! HEARD YA! Let it go! Get over it! Move on! I can't believe I even posted on this. The most ethical hunters I know are the humble ones, not the ones wearing a T-shirt saying they are.

I hope they hang the poachers if they catch them. If they crossed the state line I hope they nail them for Lacy Act violations and get Federal time down in Gitmo (guantamano bay).

duckdog310 · 02-24-2006, 12:56 PM

. . .to the last couple posts. We all hear and understand your issue with breasting. Now, please. . .enough.

Ethical hunter · 02-24-2006, 02:09 PM

I am just pointing out that one extremely wasteful hunting practice (dumping 200 birds) is demonized yet, a common extemely wasteful hunting practice (breasting) is defended.
Lets hang the bird dumpers while we are patting the breasters on the back for a job well done. Would you still hang the bird dumpers if all the carcasses where breasted?

Breasting 600 ducks is equivilent to dumping 200 whole ducks, there is no difference in the amount of game wasted - none.

Have we forgotten that sports harvesters were the first conservationists?

I dont deny anyone the priveledge of harvesting our wild game. All I ask is that when harvested our wild game be used.

We all have the right to our own opinion.
We all have the choice to read another users comments.
We all make a choice to respond to another users comments.
We all have the ability to block another users posts.

Good day.....I said good day

EH

duckintheblood · 02-24-2006, 09:02 PM

The difference between the people that you are comparing is in your signature. we follow the letter of the law.
Dan

duckboy · 02-25-2006, 12:05 AM

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Breasting 600 ducks is equivilent to dumping 200 whole ducks, there is no difference in the amount of game wasted - none.
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Actually, Breasting 600 ducks would mean that 400 more ducks would be dead than dumping 200 ducks.

PS,

You cool with me not eating my bluebill livers?

Hope so.

Ethical hunter · 02-25-2006, 09:43 AM

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The difference between the people that you are comparing is in your signature. we follow the letter of the law.
Dan

Duckintheblood
The difference between the two groups I am comparing, Dumpers vs Breasters, is that both activities are illegal.

Just breasing waterfowl is specifically not allowed - this has been confirmed in other threads on the subject. Breasting waterfowl is most definitely not following the letter of the law.

Duckintheblood - are you defending illegal wasteful waterfowling practices?

Duckboy - yes breasting 600 ducks means there are 600 dead ducks. I do not disput that what so ever. If a waterfowler has the time, knowledge and ability to legally harvest 600 birds in a season - great! However, if this watefowler then chooses to just breast these 600 legally taken waterfowl they are wasting the equivilent of 200 birds and committing the illegal act of wanton waste in the process.

If a waterfowler needs 600 breasted birds worth of meat to feed themselves, why not use all of 400 birds and conserve the other 200? Using all of 400 would be the legal thing to do.

Back to my other question, if the ~200 dumped waterfowl in this story were "breasted" would there still be the outcry to hang the dumpers?

Harry

BrotherWolf · 02-25-2006, 10:06 AM

:lurk:this could go on for ever :lurk:

Ethical hunter · 02-25-2006, 12:06 PM

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:lurk:this could go on for ever :lurk:

Without question this could go on forever. It is easy for people to point a blaming finger at someone else (dumpers) while never taking a look at their own wasteful practices (breasters). Few hold themselves personally accountabile for their own actions, its always the other guy.

The one thing I find most troubling is there are "sportsman" who will defend wasteful hunting practices - why is that? :whazzup:

EH

Bait Bucket · 02-25-2006, 01:12 PM

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:lurk:this could go on for ever :lurk:

It reminds me of that one fly that keeps coming back trying to land on my hotdog at the family picnic.

Crashin' Bait · 02-25-2006, 01:48 PM

LMAO. Did you eat the whole fly? Or didya' just et da breast?

BrotherWolf · 02-25-2006, 04:22 PM

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LMAO. Did you eat the whole fly? Or didya' just et da breast?

LMAO :grin:

elkhuntr28 · 02-25-2006, 09:45 PM

EH,

What is your favorite recipe for duck feet? How about neck meat, How do you prepare it? Just curious & trying to learn something.

wife&3kids · 02-26-2006, 07:18 AM

First I must place my oapbox under my feet in order to respond.

I breasted waterfowl this season.

Unfortunately for me, this is why. On more than one occasion, my planning was poor and was left with a short period of time to clean birds and be somewhere else (no choice) like work.

No time to gut the birds. For me, I made a choice to breast the birds and keep from potentially wasting more meat..

It is my opinion if we voted on the law being changed , then it might be changed.

If EH had his way, we would have to end sage rat, Coyote, Bobcat, starling, crow, seagull(just kidding), jack-rabbit, etcc and all types of hunting taht encourages wasting of meat.

It would also mean that we would be cited for any taxidermy that was done and put some taxidermists out of a job, not to mention all the people involved in making hunting a job. We would no longer be allowed to fillet a salmon, we would be forced to gut the fish, because you would need to take a class on filetting a fish or work on a commercial fishing vessel in order to become proficient enough to not waste some meat.

I guess I'm done... I will continue to breast birds on occasion even after I get my first ticket for doing so..

I guess that makes me equivelant to the poachers in the article. Anyone want to come hang me upside down by my toenails?

duckboy · 02-26-2006, 09:29 AM

I thought that some varmit hunting was mostly for skins,

I mean, I have not heard of anyone eating a songdog, nor Have I heard of any great new recipies for porkupine, or Badger.

I wonder if those varmit carcasses would be good crab bait?

Might be better than leaving them behind for the crows.

I had an altercation a few seasons back with my 2 dogs while hunting grouse out of Ukiah.

They both took off down a ridge, and I saw a big cloud of dust and a scuffle.

I thought that they were into a coyote, or a cat, but when I was able to scramble down the ridge, I saw that there was a very upset badger that had Ginger by her collar, and Old Alex had the Badger by the arse.

I would pull 1 dog off and the other was compromised, and the badger was not about backing down at this point.

Finally i had to stop the ruckus, because the badger was just too close to Ginger's throat for comfort, and alex was starting to thrash its tail end like a ragdoll.

I had to put both barrles of #5 Highbrass in a 12 ga at about 10 feet to kill that thing.

It was big and heavy, and I dragged it all the way back across the stream and to the truck.

I got it home and was going to eat it, and then some folks freaked out anya about trichinosis etc, so i didn't eat it after all, but I still have the skin in the garage.

Limbhanger · 02-26-2006, 09:53 AM

Wife&3kids,

You are not alone. I dont like to get sucked into the arguementative threads, but I am confidant that the majority of guys here love wildlife, are not poachers, and are not wanton wasters of fish and game. I will go on record to say that I dont scrape teal wings or eat coyotes. There is a fine line between common sense and stupidity. I am not sure why it is necessary to pipe up about being more ethical than someone else because they saved or salvaged a few more ounces of meat than the next good ethical guy. There are a lot of things that go into being ethical, including how you treat your fellow hunter. It would be nice to see so much passion and energy put into the issues that really matter.

Daffyblaster · 02-26-2006, 10:46 AM

What you said, Limbhanger! I would be curious to hear what EH does with every little piece of his birds... but on the other hand I really don't want to be preached to anymore.

EH, If you feel that the folks on this list are such unethical hunters, why do you continue to post on here? One more thing. From what I've seen the folks that do the most raving about how ethical and upstanding they are are televangelists and PETA. I think we all know about them.

oh, yeah, and please, stop hi-jacking threads. It's plain rude.

Ethical hunter · 02-26-2006, 12:29 PM

We all have the right to our own opinion.
We all have the choice to read another users comments.
We all make a choice to respond to another users comments.
We all have the ability to block another users posts.

The above statements show that a "hijack" of a thread in this forum rests on the fingers of the respondants.

I could go in great detail about what I do with the non breast meat portions. (I will start another thread on that later)

The difference between breasting waterfowl and not eating sage rats, song dogs, badgers, ect. rests in the game laws. It is specifically illegal to breast out waterfowl and prefectly legal to leave a sage rat where it lay. Apples to grapefuits.

I'm not debating ethics here but comparing the legality of a common wasteful practice to the act of dumping and wasting ~200 waterfowl. Knowingly violating our game laws and stating the desire to continue to do so are the acts of a poacher - not a sportsman. poachers killed and wasted those 200 birds - not sportsman.

I'm sure all the "breasters" on this forum are great people that I would enjoy spending time with (maybe I have?). The dumpers may too be outstanding people, maybe even ifishers, that I would enjoy spending time with in a blind or on a boat. Truth is the dumpers are people just like you and me that have found a way to justify what they did. Justification of an illegal act rarely makes it right. There is no reasonable justification for dumping and wasting these ~200 birds. There is no reasonable justification for knowing you are committing a game violation and intend to continue your illegal behavior.

I realize there are situations in all of our busy lives that sometimes make it difficult to fit everything in. There certainly are special circumstances where events in our lives could lead to the "wasting" of game. However, how many "breasters" intend to continue to waste 35% of their waterfowl next year? Intent is not a special circumstance - intent to violate the law is criminal.

EH

Lucky one · 02-26-2006, 12:53 PM

For those of you that get tired of seeing some user posts I'm going to show you what saves me a lot of stress.

***You are ignoring this user***

That's all I see. Not, "I use all of this" or "only hunt like this". Trust me, it will save you some headaches.

QH's Paw · 02-26-2006, 01:34 PM

Quote:

For those of you that get tired of seeing some user posts I'm going to show you what saves me a lot of stress.

***You are ignoring this user***

So how do I set this up? is it on my profile page or what?

Crashin' Bait · 02-26-2006, 01:46 PM

Click on the user name of the one that you want to ignore (the name is on the upper left hand corner of the inflammatory post). A new screen will pop up. Click on "ignore this user".

Limbhanger · 02-26-2006, 01:47 PM

Thank you, that was easy.

QH's Paw · 02-26-2006, 03:43 PM

Awesome the ranting is gone retroactively. So, I guess this will be my new thing for the hijackers who couldn't come up with their own posts. Right on!! Thanks.

waterfowlin101 · 02-26-2006, 03:48 PM

Ethical Hunter

I am curious what your stance on breasting would be if the law were suddenly changed. If it were legal to breast waterfowl...would it then be ok?

Jon

duckboy · 02-26-2006, 04:05 PM

some folks hack the raw legs off and feed em to the dog, SO long as they haven't got ricebreast, then it is probably aok, and within the law, singe they have not wasted the duck.

2LEYS · 02-26-2006, 04:16 PM

I don't particularly care if you just breast your birds or not, but EH IS right. The law is the law and it seems like you guys are getting awful defensive. A lot of you jump down other people's throats about ethics and then stand up and fight to defend an illegal thing that you are doing.

The law is the law. Whether it be shooting from a road, shooting at a deer 3 minute after legal shooting hours, shooting a duck from a moving boat or breasting a duck. They are all illegal.

You can't pick and choose which laws apply to you. Have I ever broken any of the above laws? Yes. I have. And I would guess that most of you have as well.

But to totally attack a guy and put him on your ignore list because he pointed out an illegal practive that most of you do IS being self righteous. Yeah EH is being pretty damn self righteous too. But I think we all need to step down and quit thinking we are all perfect.

And you know what, if I reeled in a Salmon and the hook was hooked in it's gills, I would be eating salmon for dinner. And most of you would too. I wouldn't intentionally snag a fish but if it happens it happens.

waterfowlin101 · 02-26-2006, 04:22 PM

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But to totally attack a guy and put him on your ignore list because he pointed out an illegal practive that most of you do IS being self righteous. Yeah EH is being pretty damn self righteous too.

I would never put this gut on an ignore list....it's pure entertainment, and that's part of the reason I'm here!!!

I sometimes get bent about some of the posts...but I bet there are those who may feel the same about mine. The ignore list will never get used by me.

but EH...my Q still stands, I'm just curious if it's purely about law for you or truly about ethics?

Jon

QH's Paw · 02-26-2006, 04:26 PM

It's not that anyone is trying to be self righteous...It's just that after someone saying the samething over and over enough.... it's enough. There were even replies that agreed but again we returned to the same rant,same verbage. Who's being righteous? :whazzup: :whazzup: :whazzup:

duckdog310 · 02-26-2006, 06:01 PM

Well put.

I think that's my major bone of contention. I don't particularly care if you don't like the way I do things. And, for the most part, I'd respectfully listen to your opinion whilst you speak on the evils of the issue.

However. . .once we've beat the topic into the ground, let's just let it lie, as nothing more productive is occuring.

gottafish · 02-26-2006, 11:31 PM

You guys are a bunch of cry babies Quiet your bickering. My real Name Is Matt Fowlie and I live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!!! And my life didn't amount to JACK SQUAT!!!

thehunt · 02-27-2006, 10:36 AM

A friend brought to my attention that it may look like I was agreeing with ethical hunter on his opinion of breasting birds. Without reading this entire thread I just want to say I ABSOLUTELY DIS-AGREE WITH ETHICAL HUNTER on breasting birds. I breast birds, I don't think there is anything wrong with breasting birds and I think that anyone who compares the killing and wasting of 200 birds with an honest actually ethical hunter breasting birds is an absolute detriment to our fight in keeping the hunting tradition alive in this country. He might as well join the other side. I hope you get banned from this web site for your pathetic close minded comments. Okay, that's all, I'm done.

duckintheblood · 02-27-2006, 10:51 AM

well put

wife&3kids · 02-27-2006, 11:02 AM

Amen

Eric Strand · 02-27-2006, 03:17 PM

EH, Nice post HIJACK. Very sweet.

" Shoot em with their feet down "
Eric Strand

2LEYS · 02-27-2006, 03:39 PM

Ban the guy because he had the nerve to point out that breasting is illegal?

duckdog310 · 02-27-2006, 04:55 PM

I guess I'm a bit confused. If I limit on ducks, take home my seven birds, breast them out and then leave the rest for the critters (hawks, coyotes, whatever). . .that's illegal?

Maybe I'm just reading this wrong. . .

2LEYS · 02-27-2006, 05:12 PM

Yes. I believe it is.

duckdog310 · 02-27-2006, 06:19 PM

Oh. . .I didn't know that. Can someone cite the actual ORS/OAR in which this is covered, please?