Can a 19' Searanger fish the Ranch?

[O Tshawytcha]

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[CATCH AND EAT]

With a honda 90 I would think you could reach it and get back but it would be pretty close. Definitly would want some spare fuel on board. BTW that is one nice boat you are looking at. Wish I had a use for it but I want a bigger boat.

[Something Good]

I would think a 19' Arima with a 90HP Honda would get you there to catch your halibut, troll for salmon for 4 hours and back to the dock and still have 1/2 a tank to spare. Does the seller have any idea what kind of range this boat has?

[SeaSparrow]

We have a 20' glass i/o with a 190hp V6 and 42 gallon tank. We've made it to the ranch and back several times in nasty seas with barely half a tank used up. A 90hp outboard on a 19' Arima should have no problem, but you might want to add a kicker for backup just in case the 90 acts up...

[HOGGEMIN]

Arima Ryan might be able to give U the info U are desering I don't have a # for him and not sure if he has changed his moniqur or not hope this info helps u a little.

[SouthCoastStu]

I don't have an Arima, but do have the Honda 90. I'd guess your going to get better than 4 mpg, the Arima is a very efficient hull design. ~35 miles x 2 / 4 = 17.5 gallons I'd say no problem, but I think there are some guys on here with the same set-up. Be interesting to hear what they have to say....

[SOL]

I run a 115 Honda, burn about 19-20 gallons going 80mi. at 3300RPMs in 4-6ft seas.

[skein]

OT,

I think you're asking the wrong question. What you really need to ask is, "Since I'm about to get hooked on fishing 32+ miles offshore, is a 19 foot boat big enough?"

Now let me back up and say that I owned an Arima for 13 years, and my wife actually had a tear in her eye when it drove off behind someone else's tow rig. You'll never hear me say a bad word about Arimas.

But the salt is addicting, and before long you'll find yourself wanting to get out when the water is just a little too sporty for a 19, or find yourself out there wanting to get back only to find the bar is closed to 21 and under. Or maybe you'll be wanting to join in on tuna hunts and find you don't have the range to make the trip.

In other words, look ahead with the realization that this stuff is addictive and two-foot-itis WILL rear its ugly head. Your SeaRanger, with its current length/fuel capacity may not be the boat you need.

That's just my opinion, and it's worth what you gave for it. :grin:

Skein

[4 REEL]

Arima does sell the saddle tanks for that boat for you to install. Though you really should not need them for the Ranch.

[Boatdog]

I looked very hard at the one for sale on this board. Showed the wife even. She said "isn't that too small? Ya, that's too small" God love her. I get to get larger! I need a 23-foot something. :grin:

It's a GREAT boat, at a GREAT price, but a little short (IMO) for pursuit of long range flatties and Tuna! But it will work fine in favorable conditions, and could probably handle more than I could.

Alll good decisions are tough ones. Good Luck!

[KChookem]

I have a 1997 Sea Ranger 19 with a 1997 Honda 90. I've used up to 13 gallons of gas running to the Rockpile, trolling for hours with the 90, and running back. I've never been to the Ranch or beyond. On a relatively good ocean, my speed is up to 31 mph.

My Arima is great for my use, which is not exclusively ocean. Many, many positive attributes, and outstanding help from Arima - give them a call if you have questions.

However, I tend to agree with others who believe a heavier boat with a deeper V are better for faster speeds through wind waves and steep swells. If I have 2-3 foot wind waves, I tend to drive about 8-15 mph to minimize the jarring and, if into the wind, the spray into the boat (I do not use a top much). I've been out a few times when I wish I wasn't, but I never felt unsafe. However, going 10-20 miles at 8 mph is not my definition for fun fishing.

I be happy to discuss other info - just PM me a phone number.

[Bendman]

I would think that you would have no problem what so ever on fuel. I only burn about 25 gallons in my NR going to the Ranch and back and I have a Yamaha 150.

[Tacklebuster]

I burn 21 gallons of fuel running out to the ranch and back and I have a Yami 150. I don't go at "optimum" speed to sip fuel either. Your tank in plenty big and your boat is plenty big. Put your boat in the Columbia around Portland and run 68 miles and see for yourself.

Have fun.

[Double G]

I have a 17 Arima SeaChaser with 90 hp Honda and last year I made my first halibut trip, 35 miles out of Florence. Used a total of 17.5 gallons for the entire trip. I agree with the comments made by Skien and others above but if you pick your days these boats are more seaworthy than most of our stomachs. We all make buying decisions for different reasons, all of them good reasons, and then we live with all the consequences. Sure, I'm as guilty as the next guy with three foot-itis but I like my boat and am comfortable with it's limitations. If you're getting a good deal on the Arima you won't have to worry about losing money as they hold their value well and seem to be easy to resell when the time to move up is right. I have a friend with a 19 Sea Ranger with a 130 hp Honda with the 48 gallon fuel tank. When he goes chasing tuna he carries a couple extra tanks of gas but hasn't had to use them, just likes the insurance value.

[O Tshawytcha]

WoW!! Thanks!
All that feed back was great! Just spotted a 21 foot striper for sale. Don't know if we can swing it though...


Thanks again for all of your help guys!!!!

[jimh]

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[Moldy45]

well after i take my 21 striper to the ranch ill answer that qestion :tongue:

[Mr. Fisherman]

Grigg,

Only YOU can answer this question.
My recommendation would be to take a few trips to the Rock Pile or near shore for bottom fish. Make sure to start with full tanks. Carefully log your hours and mileage. Fill the boat when you are finished and you will have an idea how much fuel per hour or miles per gallon you burned. From that calculate your maximum range then subtract 1/3. That 1/3 is your reserve. Under no circumstances should you plan a trip that requires you to burn more than 66% of your total fuel available. That extra margin of fuel is in case conditions get worse or the bar closes forcing you to have to stay outside until it reopens.
Speculating on your range will get you in trouble. Get in a habit of finding ways to answer these questions using your own equipment and you will have what it takes to make the decisions you are responsible for later.
I hope this helps. I received the same advice when I started.

[16/0 Circle]

Please listen to what skein has to say. We bought a 20' trophy last year as a weekend at Newport boat. I have since sold my 20' Alumaweld Super Vee because I have become addicted to the salt. We are now getting prepared to sale the Trophy and get something at least 24'.

Scott.

[sixpak]

Get Arima,figure you will get around 4 miles to the gallon at worst,19 is plenty big just don't go if it is supposed to blow over 15 knots even if it blows 20 you will get home just go slow. I live down in Monterey and have taken my C Dory 16 out 75 miles plus. I have had her out in 15 knots plus of wind and got home ok, I just had to go slow but she planes at ten knots and gets 7 plus per gallon I can hold 45 gallons for the days when they are way out there. Sixpak

[Nalu]

Must I bite my tongue every time something like this comes up?

Yes, a 19' Searanger can fish the ranch on nice days.

Having someone give advice that running offshore our coastline 30+ miles is no big deal as long as it doesn't blow over 20 knots is ludicrous.

[sixpak]

Maybe you should read my post again it says "DON'T" GO IF IT IS GOING TO BLOW OVER 15 KNOTS! I did not write it was not a big deal either.Go read it again.Sixpak

[squiddy]

I think that 19 foot is probably adequate but if you want to fish alone (for the rest of your life) you should stop and think about whether there is a head or not. Kind of makes a difference to certain person that may accompany you on board (read the female). I would really ask you to pause and think about that fact if it's applicable.

[Herring Problem]

I have seen smaller boats out at the ranch. Although you may leave port on a prefect day, does not mean you will return to port under the same conditions. 35 miles out and the wind picks up and sea rise could make for a rough day.

I have been caught outside at the pile when a NW storm came up realatively quick and the CG started calling for all vessels under 25 ft to return to port. I was nin a 23 ft Century i/o, We returnd to Newport taking 9 hours to get there. Was one rough ride and burned 40 gallons of fuel out of a 60 gallon tank.

So you ask if your 19 ft arima can go out to the Ranch. In my 2 cents : I would add another tank, VHF-GPS-CB-Hand Pump-Radar if you can- Charts-Compass-Auto Inflatable life jackets for crew- the list goes on.
Flares- Good rods and reels,ice chest-gaff-net-food/drimks-
meet up with another dog run out in pairs or small group.
Have boat saftey inspected by certified mechanic and CG inspected for proper equipment.

I'll quit-others will add.

[Mark Mc]

Anytime the question is asked:

"Can a (fill in blank) foot boat go to (fill in blank)?"

The over-riding, universal answer is:

"A boat is only as seaworthy as it's skipper."

[skein]

"A boat is only as seaworthy as it's skipper."

How true - how true!

Interesting conversation with BajaBob of Stabicraft over the weekend. It was blowing like crazy as we were setting up for the tradeshow on Friday, and he was talking about a potential customer who wanted a test-ride on Sunday. Bob told him that he would take him out "if the conditions were safe enough." The guy said something to the effect of "I thought your boats could handle anything!" and Bob reminded him that it wasn't just the boat that counted. The skipper's brains had a lot to do with it too.

So true.

Skein

[Bendman]

Grigg,

Only YOU can answer this question.
My recommendation would be to take a few trips to the Rock Pile or near shore for bottom fish. Make sure to start with full tanks. Carefully log your hours and mileage. Fill the boat when you are finished and you will have an idea how much fuel per hour or miles per gallon you burned. From that calculate your maximum range then subtract 1/3. That 1/3 is your reserve. Under no circumstances should you plan a trip that requires you to burn more than 66% of your total fuel available. That extra margin of fuel is in case conditions get worse or the bar closes forcing you to have to stay outside until it reopens.
Speculating on your range will get you in trouble. Get in a habit of finding ways to answer these questions using your own equipment and you will have what it takes to make the decisions you are responsible for later.
I hope this helps. I received the same advice when I started.

......Mr Fishermen






You know what the funny thing about this thread and 99.9 percent of the other boat threads is? The original question had nothing to do with sea worthiness, it just turned into that. These threads always seem take on a life of their own. As for the original question…the guy should be fine on fuel but like others have said fuel mileage can vary greatly.

[Mark Mc]

Yes...and no....

If the question was very specific....like..."how much fuel will this boat/engine burn in flat calm weather....like from Portland to Astoria"....then it would indeed be a simple answer.

But often the folks who ask these questions do not have the experience of running long distances in marginal weather....when the boat can not get on plane.... And along with this goes the judgement to know when you should abort a trip early...because the sea is building and you are thinking ahead....knowing that it will be a long ride back....and being able to calculate these things in your head....

Maybe the next time this is asked, we should ask for clarification before launching into the "lecture." Such as..

" So, are you asking what kind of economy you might get, at high/cruising speed? Or are you asking, what kind of economy might you expect in the usual weather when you can only go 12-14 knots?"

[kamloops]

Mark

Answer to question #1
It depends on the tides

[Mark Mc]

Hehe....Kamloops, when I wrote that, I wondered if someone would pick up on it. Good catch!

[id. painter]

My fathers favorite quote "no boat is stupid proof. "
id. p.

[Paddler]

I like, "Every boat has a turn back gear".

[Arima17Ryan]

OK, I'll chime it just a bit. I think for fuel you'd be OK but I would take extra(either in jerry cans or the optional saddle tanks) fuel for safety. I did not own a four stroke on either of my arimas so I don't know for sure, that's just my gut. I do know that arimas don't burn much fuel when on plane, but as soon at the wind and chop pick up and you have to drop off, then your fuel mileage goes waaaay up. I was actually shocked when we came in from fishing south of the CR one trip how much fuel I had used since the wind was really blowing(headwind) and I couldn't run on plane. I LOVE arimas and will never say that they are poor boats, but like everything they have the ups AND downs. I considerer them GREAT coastal boats, but it's up to the individual whether they think an arima would fit them well for an offshore boat. I personally didn't think twice about the fishing the ocean, even on poor days, within five or six miles from shore. Seaworthy wise they'll take far more than most skippers, but the lack of a fuel efficient speed when it gets choppy made me fell it was marginal for going way out. I think with a four stroke you'd be fine, but I'd take more fuel just in case(at least for a while until you get the feel for it). Like others said, start with trips closer in and start working your way out. I'm no expert, but that's my $.02. I will be doing the same in our new-to-us mako.

[flapbreaker]

I run a Honda 90 on my 22' C-dory. Using my fuel flow meter I seem to burn between 3-4 mpg at cruising speeds (18-25 knots). Even if you took the low side of 2.5 mpg you would have 120 mile range.

[doghouse]

To small for me to be out that far if the wind or the ocean
changes, and out that far it will take some time to get back,I have seen it change very fast. my be just me?

[My Limit]

As many of you know I've owned many Arimas and am a big fan. I just sold my 21 Arima because I determinined my primary fishing was going to be halibut and other 15+ mile off shore trips to the pile, ranch etc.

I fished two halibut seasons with my 21 and averaged 19 gallons of fuel burned for a trip to the Ranch and back (70 miles). I had a Honda 130.

The boat was extremely seaworthy with regards to stability and feeling safe and comfortable. The downside of this boat was the hull design with a dory like deadrise. I believe it's a 12 degree or so.

When it got even slightly choppy I had to slow down to about 10-15 mph or be beat to death.

I opted for a 22 Sea Sport that weighs around 6000 lbs and has a deep v. I think I will have a much smoother ride, but have yet to take it out. This is the biggest boat I can trailer and/or store. If I could go bigger I would, but I'm at my limit.

Arimas are great all around boats. They do everything well and do not specialize in any one thing. If you want an all around fishing boat for lakes, rivers, 5 mile and in coastal fishing and the occasional run to the ranch I think a 19 or 21 Arima would be great.

Please let me know if you have anymore questions, I've owned many Arimas.

Some people will never tell you to go to The Ranch unless you have a boat they like. When it comes down to the power of the ocean it doesnt matter if your boat is 19 or 28 feet. When the ocean decides your time has come, you are in trouble and I hope you have all of your safety/survival gear ready. The ocean does not care if you have a Grady White or whatever. Bigger is usually better, but sometimes knowledge, luck, boat design and the will of God prevail over size.


ML

[O Tshawytcha]

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[5 Salt]

:lurk: :lurk: :lurk:

[Mark Mc]

Griff, I never, ever intended to insult anyone with that comment. I'm sorry if it was interpreted that way.

After seeing all the back & forth here, it sounds like the question is really about fuel economy right? If that is the case, then perhaps the question shopuld leave out "going to the chicken ranch." And just ask "what is the hourly fuel burn rate of X boat with Y motor at XYZ speeds."

When the question is posed around offshore trips, the thread invariably turns to all the other elements of such a trip, that will affect fuel burn rate. That is what happened here.

- Mark

[O Tshawytcha]

MC,
You're exactly right! Everybody does need reminding about the dangers in boating. I just didn't want my thread to get hijacked with that stuff. Sorry to single you out my last post was a little hasty. I know you didn't mean any insult. :blush:

Thanks for the honda info!

Sincerely,
GRIFF

[My Limit]

I know you just used the Ranch as an example regarding distance and your boats range.

It turns into a fatherly lecture when some people hear the boat is 19' long. The funny part is many of those people go to The Ranch in boats not much bigger than that. I guess some folks need to say "mine is bigger than yours" in their own attempt at constructive advice.

Either way If you have common sense enough to ask these kinds of questions I'm sure you are an intelligent person who does their homework. I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about the idiot with the 50 foot boat who has no clue what he is doing and gets into trouble. You've seen this kind of guy trying to fuel up his yaught at the gas dock almost killing anyone near him as he plays bumper boats.

As with anything in life I put my money on knowledge, skill and preperation over size any day.

Good Luck to you and I hope to see you on the water even if it's in Tomitime's Canoe. : )

My Limit

[Phil Layer]

Arimas are great all around boats. They do everything well and do not specialize in any one thing.

I have never owned an Arima but have a 19 foot boat with a hull very similar to the Arima. My take is that the Arima specializes in fuel economy, which is becoming a real consideration for runs offshore.

My boat goes to the ranch on flat days. It can make it back on lumpy days but that takes a real toll on me as I'm up there in years. My boat (and yours) will go VERY slowly when the wave action gets interesting.

I won't go into the other aspects involved in a run to the ranch as you appear to be aware of these concerns. I do agree with all the concerns mentioned in this thread. These are posted by skippers who have the T shirts. Don't take their advice lightly.

Hope to see you at the gas station after a run out there. I'm sure I'll be able to spot you - you'll be the one with the smile on your face.

[My Limit]

Phil,

Actually the Arima does not specialize in fuel economy. It gets very average mpg compared to comparable sized boats with similar hull deadrise. I've owned at least 10 Arimas of all sizes. They truly balance most of the desired qualities in a fishing boat.

The C-Dory is actually the boat that specializes in fuel economy. The flat dory hull does not take much power to push. However, the trade off with that is the C-Dory is very bumpy in the chop if you don't slow way down. The Arima is the comprimise between a gas sipping dory and a gas sucking deep v boat.

Take Care,

ML

[My Limit]

Phil,

Here is an example of why Arims is a comprimise between dory and deep v.

Sea Sport 22' weighs 4500 lbs dry and has 22 degree deadrise at the transom.

Arima 22' weighs 2400 dry and has a 12 degree deadrise at the transom and 50 degree entry.

C-Dory 22' weighs 1700 dry and has a 2 degree deadrise at the transom and 18 at the entry.

These numbers all relate to speed, fuel economy and comfort of ride in chop.

ML

[MoJet Driver]

[quote]

"A boat is only as seaworthy as it's skipper."

End of story..............

[My Limit]

Mojet,

While I agree with that quote I would modify it some.

"A boat is only as seaworthy as its skipper and the ocean doesnt care how good you think you are."

I would also add "Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good."

Just when you think you are the best skipper with the biggest boat in the world the ocean will remind you that you are nothing more than a tiny speck in the bigger picture and your existance on the ocean and on this planet is temporary.

Some skippers with big boats and big egos make some bad decisions based on their percieved abilities. We have had some horrible events in Oregon in the last few years because of those poor decisions.

So, yes a boat is as good as the skipper behind the wheel. However, the skipper is only as good as the ocean allows.

I try to keep the attitude that I don't know crap and I better be extra careful or this might be my last trip.

ML

[Empty Pockets]

Years ago I toyed with airplanes. There was a saying ...

"There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots."

I'm still learning about boating, but it seems as though the rules are pretty much the same.

For what it's worth, the other expression that I've always loved is ...

"In God we trust. Everything else we check."

[Arima Billy]

I have a 19 ft. SeaRanger that had twin 45 Honda on it. Top speed was about 27 to 30 mph.They were 1994 models and I felt that I was under powered with them, I could plane but with 4 guys on board I had to have everyone step forward to get on a plane in some conditions, crossing a bar I sometimes would lose my plane and that was scary for me. I replaced my 45's with a 130. I tuna fished 40 miles off shore for the day and used 30 gallons for the day and that was running out and back at almost full rpm. I am hoping that I will use close to that with the 130 running at maybe 3/4 throttle. I plan on taking a 6 gallon tank along with me to see how far I can travel with 6 gallons then watch my distance and cut and run if I feel I am not going to have enough fuel to feel comfortable. I did inquire with Arima and they have twin 10 gallon saddle tanks that I probably will install just for additional safty and range. I hope that helps shed some light on this subject, AB