bank vs. boat

offshore · 01-25-2004, 10:50 PM

i was fishing at kelly point today (sunday)from the bank and this guy in a boat pulled up and ancored right where we were fishing we asked him to move out. but no he did not until his boat was hit almost 3 times by one person tring to fish. and two more times by someone just mad.

please give me your opinon

GOT2FISH · 01-26-2004, 12:21 AM

Its rude and theres nothing you can do. If you ask them to move politely and they dont, I've found its best to wait. They usaully dont stick around long. The pepole throwing lead are as bad as the one in the boat. I would think if they hit some one they could do serious damage and wind up in jail. No matter were you go your going to find BUTT HEADS how you deal with them will determine how your day goes. I'm a bank rat myself and I know how upsetting it is and I've decided its a battle I will never win. GOOD LUCK

Water Ready · 01-26-2004, 05:39 AM

Maybe he was looking for a way to make friends and wasn't very good at it. :depressed: Take the lead next time and ask if you can get in his boat and fish with him.

Might become friends, and you won't have to fish from the bank any longer. Plus you could teach him the Do's and don'ts when fishing around others. :smile: Just my 2 cents....... It still was a bad thing he did though. Happy fishn'

fishnpray · 01-26-2004, 05:50 AM

OS-

As a fellow bankie, i'm familiar with the problem. Kill them with kindness. Throwing lead can get you in jail i am sure, as it can certainly do plenty of damage. Sometimes though, you've just got to let go of the spot rather than sacrifice your own peace. Fishing is, in my small mind, more about the experience than anything else. Don't let anyone ruin that for you...no one's worth it.

-Luis

marko · 01-26-2004, 05:53 AM

The etiquette I was taught is boaters can go where they want, so they don't move in on bank fishers who are more limited. If I am in a boat and want to fish a favorite hole close to bank fishers, I will anchor on the lake side and cast into it giving the bank people room to fish it from their side.

Fshklr · 01-26-2004, 06:10 AM

Instead of throwning lead at them or their boat which can be very dangerous and the results even if an accident could be fatal

is move down river and snag a line or two with your 8oz throwing lead

..much safer and most will move once they see how far a 12 to 15 foot rod will cast. I have yet to find a boater who wasn't curteous and move out once a line has been snagged into, and most will move when you just ask. :grin:

greenbuttskunk · 01-26-2004, 09:06 AM

the cool passive approach is courtesy, but I do like the snagged line approach, they would likely get the message and nobody would be hurt by flying lead, something that's very serious in more ways than one. I was down there sunday in my boat and saw all the bankies reefing on fish. We all have to fish together and it's a big river. The way I look at it is, give the bankies ample room, and find a spot far enough out that that it's all good. It's not tight quarters down there.
GBS

SHOUGALNITE · 01-26-2004, 12:12 PM

I am a boat owner and have also fished many years off the bank before I owned my boat. I have fished with people before in boats and they all said the same thing to me. You need to learn the unwriten boat laws. One of those is if there are bank fisherman in the holes first leave it to them and move on. If you want to fish the same water ask if they mind. Respect the bank fisherman. The boat fisherman can cover much more water.

offshore · 01-26-2004, 01:06 PM

i was not the thowing lead i know that it can do some damage to people and property.it was just one person that made it unfun for all of us on the bank.i thank every one for there opions.i had a boat but it is had to fish 8 people out of a 16 foot boat (3 of witch are kids under 10) we all set an exampel for them.

Dinikin · 01-26-2004, 01:33 PM

Trowing lead at boats or near boats should be avoided at all costs.
In fact fishing twice the distance across boats can be deadly. OR the other way around.
Many times when casting with 12tf pole the weight leader snapped and the weight flew twice or three times the usial distance.
8 oz weight can do alot of demage.
I wrote this to inform boat owners and bank fishingpeople that at the end it might be a battle with some serious or even deadly outcome.

I would rather fish safely with my family and friends somewhere non productive then having big chunks of lead flying around my boat.

Private-Aye-Fish · 01-26-2004, 01:34 PM

163.195 Recklessly endangering another person. (1) A person commits the crime of recklessly endangering another person if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person.

(2) Recklessly endangering another person is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 �96]

KingFisher85 · 01-26-2004, 02:34 PM

I'm not to fond of the boaters that have the whole river to them selfs but just have to fish the bankies hole.
Who was there first?

Yes, the lead/snaggin line works :grin:

Steelie Ben · 01-26-2004, 03:41 PM

I too am bankbound and fish KP alot this time of year. I was down there last week and a boat decided to anchor right over my line not 70 yards off the bank. I politly(sp.) asked them to move and they did, but about an hour later another boat pulls up and does the same thing. I ask them to move just as nicely as the first and I got the stare. I just showed them how far I can lob that 8oz lead with my 15 footer. I didn't aim at them or really even close for that matter but I certainly got their attention, they pulled anchor and moved down. Alot of times just asking is more than enough, as most boat anglers realize the options they have as opposed to the lack of options we have. Hey offshore, email me if you go down there anytime soon I have been doing pretty good down there lately and wouldn't mind having some company.
SB

Fshklr · 01-26-2004, 03:47 PM

I practice the line snagging and have gotten quite well at it. As always a please move out a little further is exercised..after that I just grab the 12 footer.
1 Rod (11 footer) in the water and one set up (12 footer) with 85# power plus and an 8oz teardrop that has been poured with 1" coathanger grapplers coming out of the bottom. I have only needed to use it a few times and as soon as I grab a line their anchor comes up and they move out a little. No yelling, No harm.
I only started doing this after several boats at a popular bank spot would appear 60yards out.
Now they line up 160yds out and it's all good!! :grin: Tight lines all..See ya out there

[ 01-26-2004, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Fshklr ]

Beerbelly · 01-26-2004, 03:57 PM

I'm a boater and I see no reason to fish the bankers water I go down or above them no big deal . I've fish the bank many times.

Jennie@ifish · 01-26-2004, 04:08 PM

I have a confession to make.

A long, long time ago, when I was young, I was fishing on the beaches in Astoria, on the Columbia river for... spring chinook, I think.

I had my rig out, plunked, and I was sitting in a car. Along came a gillnetter, and truth be told, I didn't know anything except what I'd heard from the old guys fishing the beach. That was, that gillnetters are bad news. I was young, and believed everything these good fishermen told me. (Please, no remarks on this thread about gillnetters, OK? That's not the point, and they WILL be deleted.)

Having heard only that, the gillnetter, while I wasn't looking, through his floats ON THE BEACH, and started dragging the nets. The net grabbed my rig, and tore my line out, and nearly took my rod. I barely caught up with it.

I was screaming! The gill netter came close to shore, and I started yelling at him for what he had done. The guys were all laughing and egging me on. So, I rigged up again, and threw my weight out, VERY close to his boat. :depressed:

Good thing I was a good shot, even back then, because if I'd had hit his boat, I would have been sorry in more ways than one, I'm sure.

It still makes me mad, but THANK GOD I have learned that this kind of action is not what you should do, EVER. It may feel good at the time. It may feel good as a group, but you WILL be responsible, if there is damage caused, or someone is hurt.

The guys still laugh when they remember back on that, but like I said, I am so glad that I know better, now.

It was all kind of in a group, so I felt justified, and kind of on stage to do it. Groups of anti anything are dangerous! You kind of get sucked up into a gang mentality. Not a good thing.

I found out later that his putting his floats on the beach was illegal, and I could very well have called the police on his actions. That would have had a better impact, over all in everyone's eyes. The gillnetter would have been sited, and I wouldn't have put myself into harms way, or at risk of retaliation.

So... Please. Don't make the mistake I made. Don't take the law into your own hands.

I am ashamed of my mistake, and getting caught up in the moment, but I learned from it.

Jen

[ 01-26-2004, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

KChookem · 01-26-2004, 06:02 PM

Who would have guessed that anchoring 200 feet away would not have been reasonable, except perhaps someone experienced in bank angling for sturgeon at a particular place?

My point is simply that there are so many new people fishing for sturgeon these days, I suspect many of them may not realize that bank anglers are tossing out aways.

If I anchor too close, I would certainly appreciate someone politely, and accurately, educating me.

Silver Hilton · 01-26-2004, 06:49 PM

It can be hard to tell what is OK. I caught some grief up near the dam years ago. I watched where the bankies were fishing, anchored what I thought was a safe distance outside that, and then watched a couple of drunken yahoos do their best to hit my boat with their gear. I was 20 yards outside their best cast, but they still had some idea that I was ruining their fishing. We ignored them, and hooked into beastage.

If you're 100 yards offshore, I'd sure at least give you a pass for being reasonable. That's a pretty good cast.

drhall99 · 01-26-2004, 09:59 PM

I've had a couple of problems w/ the bankies below Bonneville. I was backtrolling about 30 yards outside their casts but that apparently wasn't good enough for them. One of them reeled in as fast as he could so that he could try to hit my boat with his lead. I'll tell you what, if he had hit anyone in my boat, I would have done what ever it takes to see him spend some time in jail or worse. I was more than far enough outside. Now if you can cast far enough to tangle my lines, go for it. If you tangle me, I deserved it. The yo-yo's ended up breaking their lines trying to reach me.

Dinikin · 01-26-2004, 10:11 PM

drhall99 and Silver Hilton
It is not regular cast that is danderous but UNCONTROlled. Meaning, the leader that is used to tie on 8oz of weight gets worn out, or nicked.
And then the weight flies freely without taking line, several times the distance.
Sorry for repeating myself.

Lwagg2 · 01-26-2004, 11:05 PM

being both a bankie and boater I can say that bank fishing you pretty limited in where you can fish and yes it really miffs me when a boat comes up and anchors 50 yds off shore right in front of me. as a boater I try to give the bankies as much room as I can. Knowing I have the whole river at my call I certianly don't need there spot. everyone deserves the right to fish and if they do anchor up it not worth throwing wieghts at them. but behind them is a good option but be prepared you gonna loose some set ups and fishing time. just my 2 cents