Emergency Elk Hunt

[Bait Bucket]

Just heard on the news about an emergency elk hunt in Tillamook. What's up with that?

[Bait Bucket]

Some fellow just reported that this particular herd went from 40 animals to over 160 animals in 10 years. X number to be killed to make room for a golf resort. Hunt to begin Saturday morning.

[WidgeonWacker]

Where do I get my tag need some elk meat in the freezer!!!!

[BrotherWolf]

Hmmmm I might have to go buy another freezer! and take the kids out for a drive on sat...hehe

[pythonwill]

I just saw it too. I dont think its the way to do it

[lor]

Where does one find out about the tags.

[24 on/ 48 off]

Why can't they just trap and transplant?

--spud--

[ehunter]

I think you have to apply like in July and be put on a waiting list for the area you choose. Then they contact you if there is a need.

Personaly I don't like these kind of hunts I went with a guy once about 10 years ago and it was a slaughter not a hunt and there was wounded elk running around. Cows with fetus. Basicaly it was a terrible experience I was glad I did not have a tag. I don't what other options they have???

[osulogger]

This is my only take on the emergency elk hunts: the last company I worked for issued one of these two years in a row. We had a herd of about 50+ animals that were litterly destroying a reprod stand. I think in three years, we re-planted 200,000 seedlings into that unit. A typical unit takes 40,000 seedlings so you do the math. Basically every tree in the unit was browsed down to nothing. In cases like this, I firmly believe that it is in the best interest of the landowner to call the state for help. That being said, they also controlled how many people were in shooting the herd at certain times, so it wasn't an all-out "slaughter." Usually 3 -4 hunters were allowed two weeks to successfully fill their tag and then the next round was brought in until the herd was essentially "pushed out" of the area. I haven't been up there in two years now, but I would imagine the stand is finally above browsing age.

Just my worth,

From the land of Big Sticks,

Osulogger

[waterfowlin101]

Where does one find out about the tags.

Isn't it a Master Hunter thing??

[fishintoo]

If a farmer is having problems with elk, they can get in touch with the Fish and Game Dept. and they set up special hunts or give the farmer so many tags (no he dosen't get to fill 20 freezers) What this does is run the elk off every time they get on the fields. What bothers me about this hunt is that someone want's to build a golf course and those elk seem to be in his way. You know, like maybe the economy needs a boost and a golf course would really help --- those elk are history. I just don't like the parting comments of the guy when he said we are going to kill off some and see if they will leave. If we end up killing them all then so be it. I think his motives were pretty clear. I just hope the F&G does the right thing.

[Don Becker]

'Anyone know what station had the report on this? Don

[HOGGEMIN]

It was channel 8 that I saw it aired.

[Rank Amateur]

How can it be an all of a sudden emergency, its not like you just walk down to the court house and say you are going to build a golf coarse tomorrow! So much for the raised population M.O. in the Wilson unit.

OSUlogger- was the unit that you guys had a problem with a new unit in an area of timber (what I'm getting at, was there other areas for the elk to feed in)? I have seen this on occasion in my local area where a timber company opens up a new clearcut in a sea of reprod or older timber, the elk really are drawn to it, but once the trees establish and forage is available, new clearcuts that follow do not have the same problems.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I missed this news article, but I believe there are plans to build a golf course on the base (near the blimp hangars) south of Tillamook.

I would guess this is the herd on the base in need of being reduced, I saw them a couple weeks ago, had to have been close to 100 standing out in the field near HWY101.

They already allow hunting on the base during season, I have heard it is $10 a day to hunt on the base , once the hunters run them off the small piece of timber back out in the fields, the base authorities run them back into the hills again so they can be hunted, and the cycles continues. I have never seen this or hunted this, but that is what I have heard from some of the locals I know.

The other local town herd is usually near the wilson where HWY 6 heads into the canyon, or maybe the herd up the Kilchis, but my bet is this is the base herd. They are pretty much fenced in

[Quackhead]

jon it is not a master hunter thing but master hunters get put on the top of the list. My buddy is on the lists every year and he has a master hunter cert. His is usually for eastern oregon. He has even been called on a emergency antelope.

[HOGGEMIN]

I archery hunted the port property in 2004. I wish they had run the Elk back to the woods, I would imagine it is like a swamp now in Sept it was pretty swampy then. the elk after the first weekend get smart and shy away from the fields during the day and hang out in the wods that are off limits to hunting.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I just found an article on the local Tillamook online newspaper, Headlight Herald

Hunt seen as a means of driving elk from fields at Port of Tillamook Bay

Published: January 24, 2006

BY JOE HAPP

Headlight-Herald Staff


TILLAMOOK — Officials of the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife and the Port of Tillamook Bay are hoping an emergency hunt set to begin on port property this Saturday will solve problems caused by a proliferating herd of Roosevelt elk by killing as few of the animals as possible.

"If we can haze them off the property without killing any of them, that would be great," Port Commissioner Jerry Dove said Monday.

Dove and Port Manager Jack Crider said the elk, now numbering about 160 head, have been causing damage to fences along the perimeter of the Tillamook Airport and to a stormwater drainage system that clears water from the property's industrial area.

"We were told the fence was elk-proof," Crider said, "but the elk like to just walk right through it."

In addition to damaging the fences, Crider said, the elk pose a hazard to airport operations and could pose a hazard to contractors who will be working on port property in connection with the planned development of a golf course, hotel and convention center and time share units.

"There are also issues of higher turbidity" in streams running through the property caused by the elks' presence, Crider said.

ODF&W official Dave Nuzum, assistant wildlife biologist for the North Coast Watershed District, said port officials asked for the emergency hunt, which will run from Jan. 28 until March 15 or until the herd no longer poses a problem.

Nuzum said 15 individuals on the department's list of emergency hunters have been contacted for the upcoming hunt.

"We're bound by state law to respond to landowner damage complaints," Nuzum said, noting that only those qualified as "master hunters" will be permitted to take part in the hunt. "This is a special intense situation."

Port officials said only three hunters a day will be allowed on the property to conduct the hunt and they will be accompanied by port representatives, who will tell them where they can and can't shoot.

The normal hunting season for bull elk is in November. However, Nusum said that, in this hunt, "anterless elk" including cows, yearlings and bull calves can be shot.

Officials said they had no idea how many elk would have to be taken to get the heard to move off port property.

"If three or four get shot and that moves the herd, that's all we'll do." Nuzum said.

The whole idea of the hunt, however, has some hunters in the area upset.

"Killing the elk is not a solution to the problem," said Mark Hurliman of Netarts. "The elk will keep coming until they fix the fences. I don't feel it's right to slaughter the elk. It's not their fault."

Hurliman, who said he hunts elk and deer, criticized officials who decided to conduct the hunt "on their own with no community involvement."

He questioned whether port officials have made enough of an effort to keep the elk out.

"There are gates left open along Brickyard Road all the time," Hurliman said. "I just wish they'd consider other alternatives."

Dove said elk have been coming on port property for years.

"We've had 15, 20 or 25 head on the property. But now there are too many elk and it's not a good mix."

He said he‘s "afraid the elk have found a home and they're not going anywhere."

Crider added that farmers in the area have done a good job hazing the animals off their land and onto the port property.

"The sad thing is no one wants these animals," he said.

[Rank Amateur]

If they put in a golf coarse you might as well write this entire herd off, they will kill them all. Interesting how wildlife have no rights at all. That's alright, we raised the M.O. in the Wilson unit, even though the Oregon Department of Forestry is asking for damage hunts also on OUR lands. But like they say, their bound by law.

[Jerry Dove]

Try to answer a couple of questions. First off no property owner should have to put up with 160 - 200 head of elk. About 90-100 of these have decided to live on the port full time, as in year round. The port is an industrial port, with many many businesses and hundreds of employees. There is lots of room for growth, which Tillamook county badly needs, ie JOBS. No body wants these elk. Farmers, timber companies, including the Oregon Dept. of forest, ie the Tillamook forest. This will be a controled hunt. Three hunters a day, with a guide from the port. Once they are driven off the port property, we will continue to haze them and try to keep them out. We will fence the property once we start the development and raise one million dollars for the fence. The resort will be an 18 hole golf courst, hotel conference center and homes. This will create many many jobs and that is what the port is all about. Today the elk are off the port and we are trying to keep it that way. So with all luck there will not even be a hunt. People are up in arms, because they do not know and do not want to listen to the facts. Thanks for listening. Jerry

[rdbnz84]

Golf for the rich/NO
land for the Elk/yes

[Bait O' Eggs]

Jerry, I assume the 1 million is what is required to refence the whole port?? :whazzup:

There is only a small portion of the base the elk use to come and go, when they do go, and I dont mean as in go, in the bathroom sense

I bet it wouldnt take much fence to block the natural areas not heavily housed that the elk do come and go thru.

HWY 101 is not a natural path for the elk to cross on a regular basis, Brickyard is fairly heavily housed, Long Prairie is somewhat housed, and there is getting to me more and more businesses on that side with the UPS and police station. The backside along South Prairie school and south prairie road would be my guess as to the most natural area for the elk to cross, am I wrong?????? :whazzup:

I would think these elk could be ran to either the cape, or up towards Edwards Butte direction with a couple helicopters in a few hours.

Calling it an emergency hunt, is a disgrace to hunters I stopped a couple weeks ago along the airport and looked at the herd, as they stood across the fence from me like holsteins Why not call it elk poplation reduction or something, but it wont be much of a "hunt"

[baltz526]

thanks for posting the real story. i hope the elk keep going, into the interior forests.and jobs are needed

[Norm]

Thanks for piping in Jerry, I know this is a hot topic. I can understand the local land owners not wanting to support a large herd of elk. I can also see how the elk would be a hazard around the airport( remember the incident in Astoria a few years ago). I think people are upset because there is a perception that the herd is being thinned to make way for a new golf course. I understand the port is not a wildlife refuge, but I could see a elk herd in the right area around Tillamook as a big tourist draw .

With the right amount of pressure I'm sure the elk could be persuaded to move. The port just needs to get a couple of border collies . They will work all day for scraps.

PS: If you have any left over elk please feel free to drop them off behind my house in Bay City. I promise to give them a good home ( at least until hunting season ).

[Kootenay]

180 new Centex homes in Netarts and a new golf resort outside of Tillamook. Sounds like the wildlife in Tillamook county don't stand a chance. Can't wait for the casino on the Wilson, oops there goes another Elk heard.

[waterfowlin101]

Bad news for T-mook....golf courses, hotels, what's next...a casino. Tillamook is fine the way it is, it don't need to turn into some resort town. I hope the elk overrun the stinkin area......

But that's man for ya...."nature is invading our big business, what are we gonna do?" "How about we kill them".

Great plan boys...now you are thinkin!!

Jon

[scubaseth]

hmmm I wonder how much is it to just load these elk and relocate them to another part of Oregon? Does it cost over a million bucks? Just curious.

Scuba

[elkslayer]

News last night said it would be too expensive, they quoted it would be near a million dollars to relocate and that it would be pointless cause there is no where to relocate them near tillamook, Well except that huge state forest they got close by but hey who want's elk in the Tillamook
State Forest?

[Jerry Dove]

Hey guys, first off, see my post above. Others thanks for understading. And finaly, WE HAVE CALLED OF THE HUNT FOR NOW. The elk are off the port,,,for now,,,,. We will try to keep them off. PROBLEM,,, they now ore on a farmers land. My guess he will ask for help. As for Tillamook staying the way it was 50 years ago,,,,,,,??????? Nice to see folks employed. We can;t cut trees, we can't catch to many fish, farmers can't make money anymore,,. Please give me your suggestions. I guess we could stand on the corner and sell sand shrimp. Huh.

[Jerry Dove]

Bait a eggs. I toured with Cahnnel 8 tues. and showed them areas all around the port where the elk come and go, right through the fence. We have a crew ao about 20 guys out today patching and redoing fences. Hope it works. JD

[Limbhanger]

Near 1 million dollars to relocate???????
How could darting, loading and trucking a herd of elk REALLY cost that much if someone was to break down the real numbers or just get CREATIVE and PLAN. Build a temp corral, herd them in, tranquilize, minimal ODFW personnel, utilize volunteers as needed, talk to various stock haulers that would donate the service for cost or better. Ask RMEF to step up for whats left. Sounds like a pretty simple task to coordinate in this day and age. The more I think about it I bet a lot of donations could be landed for something like this. Probably should just wait though until they build the golf course, the herd will be bigger, the damage will be even more costly and then it will be crisis management at its finest.

[Joe Schwab]

Jerry, I feel your pain. Some folks think you can just load em up and move em out. When I lived over near you by 3rd and Trask River Rd. that herd of elk would think nothing of moving between houses to get where they wanted to go pulling the fences as they went. And there were only about twenty there.

I remember a young bio. in Eastern Ore. who shall remain unnamed who years ago thought he could move a band of problem elk. With a little gunfire and a 4wd he got them moving across the fields, took out seven miles of fence, turned loose half the cattle in the county and the elk ended right back where he started.

Elk do not belong near people. Sorry! Has anyone ever tried to tranquilize 100 elk? The death rate would be higher than a damage hunt!

I guess Tillamook is going to have to stay in the 20th Century as far as development goes. The rest of the coast can develop and create jobs but Tillamook is going to have to be preserved for the masses. We can't have those pesky airplanes bothering our elk now can we? And a golf course! What's this world coming to?

I don't envy your job Jerry! Good thing you have a sense of humor.

[waterfowlin101]

Elk do not belong near people. Sorry!

Darn Elk, invading the cities us humans have been living in for less than 200 years. You'd think they would just go back up in the woods where they belong....Oh wait...we chopped down the trees, and then we went and built four wheelers trails through the rest of it, and people are in the woods 12 months a year with vehicles, quads, and guns.

Such shortsightedness makes me sick. Here's my take.... People don't belong near Elk . You want wilderness for Elk to live undisturbed, a place where they can feel unpressured and not want to move into "our land". To friggin late...move somewhere else. We already screwed up the wet side!!

Jon

[Screamin Bulls]

It's pretty hard to get both feet out of your mouth once you shoved 'em in that DEEP!!!!

Some people don't have a lot of Intelligence when it comes to some things in life! Those fences and houses and building weren't there years ago!...Those elk that have been coming thru there and many other places that they are "problems" Have been doing so, long before you were even a dribble in your daddies shorts.

Animals have no rights, why not ?...cus they can't speak like or think like us? I don't and will never understand that.

People and greed and money will get it's way it always does. People like one of whom is speaking in the page is one that would build such a stupid thing.

Thank you, WF101!~~~~~~~~~~~

[Joe Schwab]

You are missing the point. This herd of 100 plus elk has increased in an area that cannot be hunted the traditional way. The people are there and have been for some time. That is something that is not going to change. Farmers have a right to exist. Elk have a right to exist. But both have to be managed and if you don't understand that I'm sorry.

Hunting these elk by whatever means will undoubtedly put them back into the wooded undeveloped areas where they belong.

I wholeheartedly agree with the statement about 4 wheelers in the forest. Elk have been harrassed out of areas where they should be into areas where they should not be.

Yes elk proabably did inhabit this area before it was developed 50-100 years ago. They probably lived in downtown Portland before it was developed. As a game warden I witnessed the slaughter in the 1970s of the Banks elk herd that was interfering with development of housing
and farms. 30-40 "hunters" surrounded the herd and opened fire. It was not pretty. Here Tillamook officials are going to try a cleaner , safer method to remove a few problem animals and probably move the remainder to a better area.

Elk are pretty good at grouping up in areas where they are well fed and safe. Screamin Bulls, it looks like you have done your fair share of keeping the elk numbers down at a manageable level. And by the way, no need to get personal! But I have big shoulders, I can take it. No I have never bought or built anything on undeveloped property and don't plan to.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I understand if the port was overrun with rats, or locust or some small vermin none of us would give a thought to killing them all. If a field is overrun with sage rats, or prairie dogs hunters think nothing of shooting them and letting the birds and dogs clean up the mess.

When you take a noble animal like an elk, it just doesnt seem the same to shoot them because they viewed as a pest, even if they are going to be harvested and eaten.

I have never tried to intentionally move 150 + elk to a new range, but I know when I shoot at them they do run. A coordinated effort I would think would run them right up into the hills.

Maybe if I thought of golf slightly higher than underwater basket weaving, I could support killing the elk so a white ball can roll free and not be hindered by a foot print.

[Joe Schwab]

"When you take a noble animal like an elk, it just doesnt seem the same to shoot them because they viewed as a pest, even if they are going to be harvested and eaten."

How noble are these animals when a log truck wipes out 6 or 7 on Hwy 101? Are you going to blame the log truck driver? I see nothing noble about a group of half domesticated elk living in amongst houses. Strange how elk hunters will go to great lengths to pursue a real noble bull living in the wilderness, bothering no one, kill it, and revel in the glory, yet they do not want to deal with the dirty end of elk management, damage control. And the cold hard facts are, damage control is an issue that has to be dealt with and money you pay as a license holder funds it. It's either that or a lawsuit.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Joe,
Did you not see the irony between the rats and elk and agreeing with killing or not killing

The problem here is, I dont see the damage, I have been all over the ports property and dont see the damage. What would happen if the hunt went thru, is prevent damage should a golf course be built. The damage is potential future damage to a golf course. The elk do no more damage to the grounds than the milk cows, probably less damage.

There have been elk on the port as long as I can remember The port should have been actively trying to remedy this problem all along with hunts, rather than try to eradicate the herd when somebody wanted to put a golf course in.

I would rather see the resort/restraunt go in, and have large elk viewing windows, rather than a golf course and no elk. Work with what you have rather than try to change it.

[Joe Schwab]

We are not that far off. I don't see it as an eradication as much as a transfer. Anytime you have a bunch of wild animals, be they seals, sea lions, elk, deer, beaver or bears increasing to the point they become problems and have no plan to control them there is going to be conflict and the animals always lose. I would hazard a bet that three or four animals get shot the rest will find better pickins.

If those 100 plus animals are left alone they will soon become 200. Then what? Is there enough food and cover to keep that many animals. I see nothing wrong with a small group of elk traipsing through a golf couse or back yards of condos, but the uncontrolled expansion of the herd is good for neither the herd or the people who live there. By the same token I cannot visualize a controlled hunt except as described being allowed in that area.

Jerry explained that all they were trying to do was move a problem, not eradicate a herd.

I cannot visualize high rise condos in downtown Tillamook, which would be the only other way to grow and not take up some space. The fact is people inhabit less than 5% of the surface of this entire country. The rest is open space. Roosevelt elk have been on the increase for a long time in Oregon and Washington. Granted, a lot of private land owners have been denying access to the open areas once hunted by the general public. This only adds to the problem and frustration of the legitimate elk hunters.

I guess the bottom line is, no one is trying to kill all the elk in Tillamook County. The good people of Tillamook would like to provide jobs and increase their tax base. I can't see the bad side in that.

[nwsoftball]

Just saw on KGW.com that they called the hunt off. Once again, nature takes care of itself.

[Norm]

I would rather see the resort/restraunt go in, and have large elk viewing windows, rather than a golf course and no elk. Work with what you have rather than try to change it.

I have to agree. If there was a way to keep the elk off the airport runway and golf course, I think it would be a big tourist draw. Having a 19th hole with a view of the golf course and elk herd would be neat.


Besides, there is already a golf course in Idavill and one next to the cheese factory.

:tongue:

[Wild bill show]

and they're ( the golf courses) so wet all the time you can't playem anyway.
WBS

[Abalone]

A golf Course in Tillamook ? Oh Pew ! Can you do that while holding your breath ?

[Wild bill show]

The grass should stay nice and green

[Beeatease]

I feel for those making the decisions regarding the elk.

Again we have another issue with diverse perspectives in regards to wildlife.

I was involved many years ago with deer eating the landscapes in a 55+ community, they loved the deer but didn't want them killed.

I know it's far fetched but not beyond someone's imagination that if the elk were allowed to stay on the golf course (when it's operational) that someone would sue because the golfers were "harassing" the elk.

Hopefully a solution can be found that is less publicized and benefits all concerned. Well, I'm sure the elk won't be happy about being thinned out.

[baltz526]

Try to answer a couple of questions. First off no property owner should have to put up with 160 - 200 head of elk. About 90-100 of these have decided to live on the port full time, as in year round. The port is an industrial port, with many many businesses and hundreds of employees. There is lots of room for growth, which Tillamook county badly needs, ie JOBS.

i see this as a win/win situation in the long run. the local community gets new development and jobs, we hunters get more elk pushed up into legal hunting areas, outside this industrial area, with a little culling in the mix. the only negative i have seen in any of this is that the state forest is mentioned as not wanting the elk. my comment on that is tough, the elk belong on public land, no matter how many trees in this tree farm on public land are lost to elk.

[Jerry Dove]

Bait a eggs. Why did you leave Tillamook? Maybe it was because there were no jobs. Well those that choose to stay here would like to know that there will be jobs for them and their kids. That is what the port is all about.

[Jerry Dove]

Capt. Hook, sounds like you are feeling better. Kept it up. thanks for the input. Sure funny when folks don't know the fact they sure can talk alot. then when they are told the facts they don't want to hear it. take care.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Jerry I left Tillamook because of lack of jobs that pay a living wage, and I was to honest to stay and be a county commissioner. I doubt packing some guys golf club around the course or mowing the bent grass will pay much, and that restraunt wont pay much over minimum wage if any. I doubt any of these jobs being created will be a decent wage.

I like more jobs for Tillamook, and if there were more "good" jobs I would move back, but until those jobs pay a wage which would support a family I wont be living there.

[Rank Amateur]

I'm just too stupid to stay out of this! Jerry is right, the elk we need to be managed, they can't just be left alone for ever. On the other side of the coin, if you truly believe that you can push elk out of the area permanently, well think again. You will have to eradicate the herd to accomplish your goal and in doing so you will also lower the elk population in a far further swath than you think, because other elk will naturally drop down into this area. This problem will not go away over night or next year or the next.

Why do I say this, I have seen it happen in my back yard. The local farmers, didn't like the elk in there fields (most are old hay fields which half of the time they loose the hay to rain)so ODF&W was obligated by law to help "move" these elk back into the woods. Well they moved them all right, mainly to freezers. This hunt the Nehalem hunt is coming to an end, why, because they were successful. So how did this work, they gave out 40 tags per hunt in three different hunts with different start times ect. Then add in over 50 LOP tags on top of this, then add in the two for one exchange tags(do you know what these are) on top of that and then run this for years. Yep, the elk moved. I very seldom see elk now on my 39 mile drive to work. Also the Saddle Mt. unit is now under M.O. for elk population. Oops!

Back to Tillamook, so the elk have been there forever right, so the airport issue has existed forever right? If a golf coarse goes in the elk will come. You will have to fence both the airport and the golf coarse any way so that will be the final solution.

Now ODF does not want the elk in the timberland also, are they currently doing damage harvests? Is this a reason the elk are down at the port? Remember ODF went to the attorney generals office and got a opinion that they qualify just like a private land owner when it comes to wildlife damage, they have been pressuring ODF&W to have damage hunts, which I think they have complied with. When I asked our district bio, what this means, he kept expressing that if there are damage complaints they have to address them. Then I asked "does that mean until there are no elk"? The answer, " if there are damage complaints we have to address them". I guess that is clear and it is happening on public ground! I can only hope that somebody is smart enough to draw a line in the sand.

[Bait O' Eggs]

The elk are back, and it looks like for now the hunt is off, I copied this from the Tillamook local paper





Elk are back, but no hunt planned

Published: February 14, 2006

BY JOE HAPP

Headlight-Herald Staff


TILLAMOOK — The elk are back on Port of Tillamook Bay property, but officials have decided against staging an emergency hunt in hopes of getting them to move away.

Port Manager Jack Crider said he met with officials of the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife on Monday when it was decided to pursue other remedies for the situation.

"It's late in the season," Crider said. "We'll try some added hazing to move them off."

Reports of a planned emergency hunt last month sparked a flood of phone calls, letters and e-mails protesting plans to hunt some of the estimated 160 Roosevelt elk that were on port property at the time. Officials abandoned that idea and hazed the animals off the 1,600-acre property instead.

At the time, officials stressed that the hunt would not have been a "slaughter" of the animals, as some protesters characterized it. Instead, officials said, they intended to take only as many animals as were necessary to get the herd to move.

Only three hunters were to be allowed on the property at any one time, they added.

Crider said Monday that, despite the fact that port work crews had repaired fencing around the property last month, the elk had returned through a county park along Brickyard Road.

Last week, about 35 elk were seen munching grass in a pasture area south of the airport runway along U.S. Highway 101.

Port officials say the elk have not gotten onto the airport property itself, but earlier they expressed concern that the animals could pose a danger to airport operations and equipment.

The elk, Crider said last month, have damaged fencing and drainage equipment in the port's industrial area.

[WapitiBob]

I'll move those elk for $900,000.
I don't know how somebody could say it would cost 1 mil and keep a straight face.

[Screamin Bulls]

Dunno how that happend...

[Screamin Bulls]

Well glad to see they wont have the slaughter after all!... The people voiced their opions and it was heard, and not fallen on deff ears.....

Thanks for sharing the news BOE!

I have been thinkin about this situation over there and what they need to do is get some of those goose blast's they let off the salem airport!!! The elk wont hang around much when those are bangin off!.....

Josh

[sooslaw]

quite a debate over this one. I guess a will beat a dead horse too. Killing 4 elk will not solve the problem. Killing 20 elk will not solve the problem. You would have to eradicate the entire herd. They will not be intimidated easily. They may leave for a week or two, but as long as there is a food supply, they will come back. Rip up all the grass at the airport, throw down some gravel, and quit whining about it. The golf course will only make the problem worse. As far as jobs, and the rest of the coast growing, I dont think so guys. Florence is a prime example. You can increase the population tremendously, but that does not mean jobs. Build some expensive houses that only rich, retired people can afford? throw up a golf course for a bunch of average to below average paying jobs. sorry guys, doesnt work like that. If you want to live in the country, deal with the factors that come with it.

[Dip]

i wish since people outside of Tillamook would stop telling people that live in tillamook what they can do, or let tillamook tell people in portland what they can do.

People were in tillamook before elk were ever introduced. from a biologists point of view they are introduced ungulets and rated no differently then cattle.

[Springer43]

People were in tillamook before elk were ever introduced. from a biologists point of view they are introduced ungulets and rated no differently then cattle.

What? Are you saying there were no elk in the Tillamook area before man? Please enlighten me with the facts as to how that could be. I don't know any wildlife biologists that think elk are no different than cattle as a functional part of Oregon's ecosystem.

[Screamin Bulls]

The name hold's true .................

thanks for voicing Sooslaw!...I agree...

Josh