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Old 01-17-2006, 09:18 PM   #1
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Here's another interesting wooden boat kit that looks good for our coastal area. Anyone seen these?




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Old 01-17-2006, 09:32 PM   #2
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Awesome boats. If I ever get the time and $$$ to build an offshore boat that's what it's gonna be. If they were good enough for the Coast Guard, then they're good enough for me. Not sure why they fell out of style other than anti-wood predjudice (which is largely unwarrented with the avent of epoxy/wood construction).

Gorgeous boats, George Caulkins hit a homerun with this design.

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Old 01-18-2006, 02:17 AM   #3
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Very Salty.
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:08 AM   #4
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My dad had a 24 footer with a 283 chevy with 2 to 1 reduction velvet drive in the 70's. What a boat.Ride was great and handled the ocean really good. Don't see many of these anymore. Wood boats seem to be disappearing from the seen.
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:46 AM   #5
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... what a great looking boat ... between the Tolman style and the Foulweather boat, this appears to be the middle ground ... just wish I had the workshop, the time, the money, the woodskills, ....
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:19 AM   #6
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A friend of mine has one of those, built by Calkins. Right now it's sitting on blocks in his yard, covered with a tarp. It had a cuddy, which my friend took off with a sawzall, to make more fishing room. Then he took off the outboard, and pulled the trailer out from under, and used those for a new Alumaweld Stryker 19.

Don't remember what his plans are for the boat, but the hull is in great shape. I suggested a center console. There was a nice article on these boats and Caulkins in "Wooden Boat" magazine, #163, pg 28 (Nov/Dec 2001). It was used by the CG as a surf rescue boat in the early 1960's. Calkins sold the company in 2004, at the age of 93. Plans are still available from their web site.

While there has been a good deal of discussion re: glass vs aluminum as a boatbuilding material on this board, nothing approaches a wooden boat, built with modern methods, in terms of beauty, warmth, rigidity to weight ratio, or pride of ownership. While I own two aluminum boats, I recognize for what they are, merely an economical, practical, and soulless expedient.
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:57 PM   #7
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I'm more intrigued by the double-ender design. That is something you just don't see very much anymore. Seaworthy as heck.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:13 PM   #8
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They are reportedly good for crossing bars, but have limitations as a fishing platform. Also, they squat under power, which is why they put the "fins" on the sides aft.
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I had one back in the early 1970's before I bought my 21' Harvey Dory. It was a good boat for the time. I ended up finding some dry rot and could never get used to its slow turning ability. The motor is installed quite a ways forward and the stern of the boat seems to dig in and prevent a sharp turn. Anyway after I found the dry rot I sold it and bought the fiberglass Harvey. I loved that boat! (The Harvey that is.)
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:24 AM   #10
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There's one of those sitting on a trailer in a front yard in Hillsboro. It has a tarp over it now but it didn't used to. Beautiful lines. There's also one in the last boat trader if I'm not mistaken. It's got to be one of my favorite looking wood boats. Lots of class.

Does anybody know what the cruising speed is? That would be my only concern. I like to get to the fishing hole before lunch time.
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:31 AM   #11
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Also, they squat under power, which is why they put the "fins" on the sides aft.
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the stern of the boat seems to dig in and prevent a sharp turn.
So are the problems with the stern "squatting" under power and digging in causing slow turning different aspects of the same issue?

Also, anyone have insight on performance differences of inboard vs. outboard well versions? I would think those with O/B wells would tend to turn better but don't know how that would affect the "squatting".

Dryrot shouldn't be an issue with a boat built using modern epoxy construction methods.
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:35 AM   #12
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I didn't really notice a squatting problem, however, I only had a 40 hp outboard on it. It was difficult to turn even at slow speeds but more noticeable at about mid-range.
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Old 01-19-2006, 06:41 AM   #13
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Jerry,

Sorry for the extra questions, but do you think the slow turning had to do with the position of the well, low power, or the chines digging in?

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Old 01-19-2006, 06:52 AM   #14
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I would say "the position of the well" and "the chines digging in". NOT the "low power" because the limited turning was seen at idle even, so that could be noticeable IMO with any motor.

It was the best wooden boat that I had ever owned and very seaworthy. When I discovered the rot I just didn't want to spend the time to fix it. I ended up selling it to a couple older guys (probably as old as me now) for $900, boat, motor and trailer. And I showed them the problem but they told me they knew what to do.

I took it out of Depoe Bay at least a half dozen times before I sold it in the late 70's. Maybe some of the salty dogs remember seeing it. It was white with red trim.
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Old 01-19-2006, 07:16 AM   #15
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I'm probably just dreamin that I'll build one someday, but great info if I ever do!

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Old 01-19-2006, 10:54 AM   #16
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Silverfly - There is one being built in Hillsboro, a 26x8. The builder, L.W. Baxter, can be reached on the Wooden Boat forum, where he posts occasionaly.

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Old 01-19-2006, 11:13 AM   #17
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This was originally a double ender style. My uncle changed it to a square design because the Double ender used up a lots of space in the aft end of the boat.
He started building them before motors were commonly available and used oars to cross the surf. This boat has been in the Ocean.

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Old 01-19-2006, 12:21 PM   #18
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Abalone.I thought that was a Donovan style.Was your uncle Dud Nelson Sr.? That was the boat to have years ago when I first fished the falls at Oregon City.
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:59 AM   #19
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I believe there is one of these boats sitting on blocks in a yard just east of Toledo. Green and white in color. It appears to be in need of a complete rebuild, but it has great lines.

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Old 01-20-2006, 08:52 AM   #20
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When I was a kid, my dad and I watched the CG doing training with one in the surf. They were flying in some really rough conditions, "hitting nothing but the tops" as my dad put it.

Dad always thought those were the best boats ever. Saw a guy launch a brand new one, inboard, 26 or 28', into Siltcoos lake. It was a typical Siltcoos afternoon and there was about a 3-4' chop and whitecaps everywhere. The guy spent an hour or so backing the boat into the waves. The double-ender didn't seem to mind at all and the ride looked very dry.
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Does anyone have the link to their site. I googled it and kept gettung sent to diffrent place.
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Old 01-20-2006, 10:33 AM   #22
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Blue Fin: The Duds Plug is a 21 foot Pacific City Dory lapped Straked. I wonder if that boat in Tolendo is a Nelson Double ender. Sounds like it is.. I would love to see it and possible restore it.

Dud made Nine of them I think... Five were double enders and the rest were square ended. But they are definatly a Pacific City style Boat that Dud Designed himself. I have the orginal Drawings at home.

I'd like more info on the Toledo Boat. I will go look at it.

When Dud had the Double enders he called them Cove I and Cove II etc. named after Falcon Cove where their family Cabin is located South of Canon Beach. They used to launch these boats at Cannon Beach and at Falcon Cove when you could still drive on the Beach.....

Does anyone know who owns it the boat in Toledo ? Or where I can see it ? The question is ! is the boat Lapped or is it plywood ? That would tell me if it was a Nelson boat.



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Lap straked eh?

Sounds like Dud was of "Scandahoovian" descent .
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Yaw ! Nelson.....
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:21 PM   #25
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My dad always wanted one, found when he retired and spent several years restoring it to its original beauty, got it in the water and doctors told him not to do it. He has an equilibrium problem and too dangerous at sea alone. He sold it a couple yrs ago to a guy in Portland area. I saw it at Depoe Bay wooden boat fest last summer but did not catch up with owner.

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Old 12-15-2006, 09:24 AM   #26
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Could you imagine a 26 to 28 footer with a yanmar 315 hp diesel in her.
My folks had a 26 footer they used for commercial fishing in the early 70's with a 283 chevy 4 bbl carb and a v-drive in her. Was one nice made boat for the time.

Here is a pic of a 1988 Bartender with a diesel in her.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:05 AM   #27
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Very nice rides...I always loved them. When I commercialled, I thought I would own one someday..seaworthy and cool looking.
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My Dad had a double ender as he called it
26 ft with a 327 chevy
We spent weeks redoing her and getting the latest electronics installed
The one he had was the plywood with a round port hole window

We took it out 3 times over the CR bar then put it up for sale
Said he did not like how it handled (I assume he was talking about the steering)

Saw the boat a few years later all faded out and in need of a lot of work
Drove by it almost every day and the guy was really decking it out
He did a wonderful job on it
but one day it was just gone and hasn't returned since
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Old 12-15-2006, 07:10 PM   #29
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I saw one a few weeks ago upside down and being refnished. It was 19 ft. long and had the cabin on it. Even upside down it looked neat. It had a well for an outboard and I wondered what its perfomance specs would be.
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I wonder if Woody could build one of those.

If it looked turned out half as good as his boat that I met him in it would be a sight to see.
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Old 12-17-2006, 05:12 PM   #31
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Calkins (or Caulkins, sorry, I'm old...) is credited with designing the original Bartender. The family had the Calkins Craft boatyard on Hwy 101 on the south bank of the D River in Lincoln City, on the east side of the highway where the motel sits now. I think it closed...maybe in the 60's?

The Calkins (Caulkins?) family lived on the N shore of the Salmon River downstream from Hwy 101 as far back as the 30's. It was a Calkins family member who unearthed the skeletons of the african and the european down there around 1932ish.

Just thought I'd insert the Bartender into its place in local history.

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Thanks John. It was one of the designs I was considering for my ocean going wood boat, before I found my glass project.

Plans are still available;http://bartenderboats.com/index.html
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Calkins (or Caulkins, sorry, I'm old...) is credited with designing the original Bartender. The family had the Calkins Craft boatyard on Hwy 101 on the south bank of the D River in Lincoln City, on the east side of the highway where the motel sits now. I think it closed...maybe in the 60's?

The Calkins (Caulkins?) family lived on the N shore of the Salmon River downstream from Hwy 101 as far back as the 30's. It was a Calkins family member who unearthed the skeletons of the african and the european down there around 1932ish.

Just thought I'd insert the Bartender into its place in local history.

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