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Old 01-11-2006, 11:51 AM   #1
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Hi IFishers,

I am in the process of finishing the install of my VHF radio on by alumaweld. Is there someone in the Philomath/Corvallis area who would mind testing it out with me. Feel free to message me or give me a call (541) 929-4411 Thanks...

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Old 01-11-2006, 01:51 PM   #2
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I'll be in Eugene next weekend and could maybe work out stopping by on the way Friday or on the way home Sunday the 22nd or you could meet me in Eugene over that weekend.

Next try to get hold of someone in the OSU Ham Radio Club and ask for some help


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Old 01-11-2006, 06:37 PM   #3
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My memory says it's not legal to use the vhf on land, even for a radio check. I'd check before doing much transmitting. and yeah, my memory is not totally reliable.

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Old 01-11-2006, 06:43 PM   #4
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Funny thing.... I just happened to be on the FCC site looking up something else. This was on the same page...

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WHAT COMMUNICATIONS ARE PROHIBITED?

YOU MUST NOT TRANSMIT --

* False distress or emergency messages.

* Messages containing obscene, indecent, or profane words or meaning.

* General calls, signals, or messages on channel 16, except in an emergency or if you are testing your radio (these are messages not addressed to a particular station), or

* When your ship is on land (for example, while the ship is on a trailer).
But, you know, if you were say, on Marys river in your boat.......
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Old 01-11-2006, 06:50 PM   #5
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Hi All,
I could just put my sled in my backyard. Its got enough standing water it should count. Does anyone know why you are not suppose to use VHF on land? Offcourse, I really would like to test it before Im on the big blue and need it. I pick up weather channels fine. Just want to make certain its transmiting. Thanks All...

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Old 01-11-2006, 07:05 PM   #6
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LB Maybe it's time to go crabbing, then you could test your radio and maybe get some crab!
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:22 PM   #7
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So I'm reading "YOU MUST NOT TRANSMIT ... on channel 16 ..."

Do you have any other channels besides 16?
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:35 PM   #8
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Hi Ride Red,

Ya, I have a bunch of channels. Some channels are designated for emergency, and commercial use. Channels 24-28 are open for the public. Let me know if you can help me out. Thanks...
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Old 01-11-2006, 07:44 PM   #9
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You can hail on 16 to specific vessels, or converse with the CG. Of course the CG will typically have you change to 22 as soon as they can.

Once contact is established with another vessel, then you need to change to a non working channel to have a general call.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:08 PM   #10
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:01 PM   #11
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:45 PM   #12
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(not Nalu though, he's not that stupid. He uses a hand-held)
LOL. Easier to walk down the dock, or on your way to Newport from DB that way.......
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:14 AM   #13
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Stickfish stoped by my house and took a look at vhf, Take his offer up he knows his stuff about thing.

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Old 01-12-2006, 09:01 AM   #14
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I think you can use it as long as you're not on channel 16 but I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
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Old 01-12-2006, 11:25 AM   #15
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You have got to like the line - Ship on a trailer. You guys think you'll need an oversize permit for that bulk carrier, and imagine the new market segment for Ez-loader - "The new and improved EZ-AC 1400 - 17,000 tires, designed for the USS Ronald Regan"

VHF mobile radio service is not a land based radio service except for the ship to shore communications. As long as you do not cause malicious interference you will not be causing any problems or be in risk of receiving a notice of potential liability FCC - enforcement method. If you're that worried about it we can check it while she's sitting at the boat ramp with her "stern" in the muck
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Old 01-13-2006, 05:28 PM   #16
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It's one of those things that is illegal, but "people do it all the time." Sheesh half the charter skippers have hard-wired VHF's in their cars
Isn't this still legal as long as the "other" party is on the water? I was under the impression that "ship to ship" or "ship to shore" was legal for VHF, just not "shore to shore" because of interference issues.

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Old 01-13-2006, 06:25 PM   #17
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I think the intent is to keep the marine channels for marine purposes. I remember reading about a woman who was busted for calling with a handheld out to hubby to ask about dinner or something like that.
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Old 01-14-2006, 09:16 AM   #18
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I was bored this morning and waiting for the coffee machine to finish so I dug into the law on this. Nalu the info you provide is essentially correct - you may not transmit from your ship while on Land. However, there are several sections in Title 47 Part 80 which governs the Marine Radio Serivce that are more on point.

First of which:

Sec. 80.89 Unauthorized transmissions.

Stations must not:
(a) Engage in superfluous radiocommunication.
(b) Use telephony on 243 MHz.
(c) Use selective calling on 2182 kHz or 156.800 MHz.
(d) When using telephony, transmit signals or communications not addressed to a particular station or stations. This provision does not apply to the transmission of distress, alarm, urgency, or safety signals
or messages, or to test transmissions.

So Title 47 Part 80.89(d) specifically allows for test transmissions. (Oh in radio terminology - voice communciations are called Telephony). This subpart does appear before the section that forbids transmission while on land. In my opinion, test transmissions are not forbidden no matter where they are, because they are specifically excluded from the definition of forbidden communications.

Further Title 47 Part 80.96 specifically allows for maintenance testing.

Sec. 80.96 Maintenance tests.

Stations are authorized to engage in test transmissions necessary for maintenance of the station. Test transmissions must conform to appropriate test operating procedures.

Further along in Title 47 Part 80.101 procedures for testing radio equipment are contained.

Sec. 80.101 Radiotelephone testing procedures.

This section is applicable to all stations using telephony except where otherwise specified.
(a) Station licensees must not cause harmful interference. When radiation is necessary or unavoidable, the testing procedure described below must be followed:
(1) The operator must not interfere with transmissions in progress.
(2) The testing station's call sign, followed by the word ``test'', must be announced on the radio-channel being used for the test.
(3) If any station responds ``wait'', the test must be suspended for a minimum of 30 seconds, then repeat the call sign followed by the word ``test'' and listen again for a response. To continue the test, the operator must use counts or phrases which do not conflict with normal operating signals, and must end with the station's call sign. Test
signals must not exceed ten seconds, and must not be repeated until at least one minute has elapsed. On the frequency 2182 kHz or 156.800 MHz, the time between tests must be a minimum of five minutes.
(b) Testing of transmitters must be confined to single frequency channels on working frequencies. However, 2182 kHz and 156.800 MHz may be used to contact ship or coast stations as appropriate when signal reports are necessary. Short tests on 2182 kHz by vessels with DSB (A3) equipment for distress and safety purposes are permitted to evaluate the compatibility of that equipment with an A3J emission system. U. S. Coast Guard stations may be contacted on 2182 kHz or 156.800 MHz for test purposes only when tests are being conducted by Commission employees, when FCC-licensed technicians are conducting inspections on behalf of
the Commission, when qualified technicians are installing or repairing radiotelephone equipment, or when qualified ship's personnel conduct an operational check requested by the U.S. Coast Guard. In these cases the test must be identified as``FCC''or``technical''.

If you've got a good case of insomnia feel free to follow This Link to read Title 47 part 80.

Anyhow hope that puts it to rest
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:03 PM   #19
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I live on the river about an air mile from the Siuslaw Coast Guard Station. I freqently talk to the CG station as if I was "in" the river from my house. Am I in violation of the law?
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:37 AM   #20
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Read 80.89 and let us know what you think.
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Old 01-17-2006, 11:30 AM   #21
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Don't the charter offices check on their boats from land via the VHF

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