Rifle for the boy continued

[gottafish]

Thanks for the help guys, Ive been packin a bow most of my life, I think i'll have to go with the 308 which brings up the next question???? What to buy winchester, rem, ruger, New , used???? help me please [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

[ICHTHYDEMON]

For your best chance at getting an accurate rifle right out of the box,I'd get a new Remington 700. You can get a new synthetic stocked 700 ADL for around $325-350.

[Day Late]

I've been using a Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 since 1971 for both deer and elk. Use the right weight bullet for each species and it does the job!! Has never let me down. Reasonably priced new and will obviously last a lifetime. :smile:

Day Late

I don't like Remington M700's but they shoot real good. A M700 in 308 will be a good gun that he can pass on to your grandkids. I would also recomend spending the extra money and get the BDL.

[ 02-07-2004, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Cosmic Lazy Susan]

If you can find a used Rem Mdl 788 I would highly recommend it.

They were a rather inexpensive rifle when new. Comes with a three round box magazine.

The feature that makes them so good is they have a really fast lock time and are capable of really good accuracy.

I had one in .308 and have one in 22-250. Both were tack drivers. Not to fancy either so a great first rifle.

Dale

In my opinion the M788 is trash, stick to the M700. I have never seen a M788 that could shoot and Remington quit building them due to their poor reputation.

[Cosmic Lazy Susan]

Keta,

Wow, Ok. I've had real good luck with them.

Remember a smith telling me about their quick lock time (read about it once too) and how they are a great platform to accurize on.

Mine shoots sub MOA. Maybe luck of the draw?

Dale

[Washington Hunter]

I've never heard anything bad about the 788, other than they may not be the prettiest guns...I always heard they were a great gun for the money.

I think you should consider the Savage 110. Supposed to be extremely accurate and the price is right too. Just don't buy the scope/rifle package deal they sell, as the scope will be junk. If you want to spend a little more, the Browning A bolts are very accurate right out of the box, I've got one in 270.

[ 02-07-2004, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Washington Hunter ]

[gottafish]

I have a 700 in 7MM and To be honest That why I bow hunt I hate it Never seamed to shoot well with it. maybe its just me but I missed several shot at 100 yards, even changed scopes it has never shot better than 4 " groups at 100 yards bought it a k-mart 15 years ago And killed one deer with it at 40 yards and one at 70 yards which took 3 shots, I no longer shoot it out of fairness to the animals. I guess I got a bad one

[KingFisher85]

Both my Ruger and Winchester model 70 shoot real nice. I hunt with a Ruger M77 Stainless Steel 308 win, gun handles real nice. Only down side to it is the model I got is just a little over 5 pounds. You start to feel it in the 175s-180gr bullets. :grin:

For my 2 cents, Remington would be the last gun I would buy. Ruger, Winchester, Weatherby Vanguard...All 3 of them guns will run you around $400 bucks. All 3 are well worth it.
Check out www.gunbroker.com and watch the auction site. Should find what your looking for.

CLS,
You were lucky with the M788 you have. Don’t take this as personal criticism.

One 788 I had to deal with had a grove in the chamber and the fired shell could not be extracted. Another had the barrel so far offset from the receiver that the owner had offset a pair of rings to get it within the scopes range of adjustment. The entire run had poor finish work and showed some of the worse craftsmanship of any rifle I have ever seen, kind of like work you would expect from the PRC. The stocks were birch, I think, and not well done. The multiple locking lugs were on the back of the bolt and it wasn't as solid as a rifle with front locking lugs. The extractor was typical Remington trash (the biggest reason I don’t like the M700 Rem), week and easy to break.

Bottom line, a Remington M700 would be a better choice. I prefer Mausers or Mauser variations (pre 64, Clasic Winchesters and Springfield A303's are Mauser variation) but that's just me.
I don't know if they have fixed the trigers and I still don't like the safety on them so I wouldn't recomend a Ruger M77 Mk2, an old M77R would be a good choice.

I feel that for price and out of the box accuracy a Rem M700 is hard to beat, even though I would never buy one for myself.

[ 02-07-2004, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[blacktail]

A Winchester Featherweight with the controlled round feeding in .308 would be a great choice. Second choice would be a Ruger, but you'd want to plan on taking it to a gunsmith to install a Timney trigger as the newer Ruger triggers I've seen are atrocious.

If you don't want to spend the money on a Leupold, a new Weaver or Bushnell 3200 or 4200 in something like a 2x7 variable would be a good all around scope.

Good luck,
Mike

[Sharted]

You might want to look at the Tikka T3 lite seems like a nice weapon. It would be a great first gun and is reasonably priced. Most fo the optic manufacturers are making some quality optics know with great warranties. You also might want to look at some Burris scopes. :smile:

[shawn2010]

Keta, Why wouldn't you buy a remington rifle? just wondering why

The M700 has a weak extractor, they can cause problems and I lived with brown bears where I hunted for 15 years. I like the large Mauser claw extractors.

[ 02-08-2004, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[James in Idaho]

Well, I going to be somewhat of an oddball. Look at the New England Arms or H & R "Handi Rifle". This is a kid, and the short little single shot is a great kids rifle. My first rifle is the original H&R version with a 20 gauge and 30/30 interchangable barrels. My dad belived we would take better care of our rifles and shotguns if we bought them ourselves, and at $57.11 (how have I remembered that for 30 + years?) on layaway, babysitting and mowing lawns bought that gun for me. Still have it, it is loaned out every deer and elk season to lady who on a good day might weigh 100 lbs fully clothed and soaking wet. She's downed 2 elk and one deer with it, and is bummed that it will be unavaliable in a couple of years when my kid starts big game hunting. Then again, I NEED a .257 Roberts, right?? I've got a 2.5 scope on it, use handloads (with pointy bullets) and it weighs maybe 6 pounds. I did have a gunsmith do a trigger job, which is pretty much required on these guns. Uncomplicated, light, and accurate enough for big game out to 175 yards, which is plenty far for most beginners. On bolts, I'm with Keta, make mine a Mauser.

[goforchrome]

Tikka.
S/SS for just over $500 if you shop around.
You won't regret it.

[BrianMaguire]

The same company that makes limbsavers also makes a recoil pad, GI Joes sells them for about $20. This is a must have if you are going to get a kid a gun that can kick as hard as a 308 ESPECIALLY a synthetic stock. I have a Rem 700 ADL Mtn rifle (very light gun) chambered for 30-06. It kicks like a mule but when I installed the limbsaver recoil pad it brought the kick down to the point where it is hardly noticable. I can go out a rack 100 rounds of '06 in a day and never feel it. I would be bleeding badly shooting 100 rounds with out it.

[skeet]

My uncle just bought a Remington M700 in .280 remington. It was between $500.00 to $600.00. We dialed it in at the range and we were shooting groups of 3 within 1/2", many times puting 2 or more inside one another. Seemed to be a sweet rifle.

[Silver Eagle]

Bi-mart has 25.00 off all Remington Rifles and shotguns, that should get the job done......

[sunshinefisherman]

Buy a used rifle and use the money you saved to get a great scope and a new pair of really good boots.

[Fish Hawg]

Remington 700

[Dr Strangelove]

Remington 700 Stainless 308. When he's older and wants something kewler, he can upgrade the stock to:

Doc!!!! That's a turkey/varmint/goblin rifle. I like mine in semi-auto (L1A1 FAL) Mine also has a scope and optical night sights.




[ 02-14-2004, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Dr Strangelove]

Keta - wasn't that the gun in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels...you know the BB gun then

"twap...K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-..."

You and I probably should get together and raise some hell sometime. Do you get that thing out much? Looks like good prairie dog medicine. :shocked:

I haven't been out with it for about 6 months. I need to take her and her little sisters out soon.
When I lived in Alaska I shot it every weekend.

[Dr Strangelove]

Let me know when you want to go. I have a bunch of lonely steel in my safe too. Doc.

[night stocker]

Gottafish,if you are really on a budget,I think a used savage 110 with a 4x scope would be a good kids gun.I sold one in 308 with a Burris 3-9 about three years ago to a buddy of mine for $150.The gun stock was plain jane,but that gun would shoot SMOA!You would be hard pressed to find better value.I have alot of better looking rifles in my collection but not too many that shot as good.