300s

KingFisher85 · 12-28-2003, 04:44 AM

Whats the best 300 caliber for Deer and Elk hunting in the PNW?

300 Weatherby Mag
300 Win Mag
300 Ultra Mag
300 WSM

Out of the two...whats the best rifle?

Weatherby Vanguard
Ruger M77

PS. Someone might of gotten a little xmas money :tongue: :grin:

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Fish Hawg · 12-28-2003, 02:52 PM

I would get the ultra mag, in a remington sendero sf; that is what I shoot. It shoots a group of three at 100 yards that you can cover with a peney. My brother also has a custom built ultra mag built off a remington action, it alsoi shoot awesome. My dad just bought a remington custom action off a 300 win that he is going to have built into an ultra mag. What ever you do don't get one with a muzzle break. The kick is not much different than a 300 weatherby. my brother had his built in 1998, and never regrets it. they are all great calibers, but i like the ultra mag alot more . Good luck on what you choose Just My Opinion...........Ross

OR 663 RD · 12-28-2003, 09:12 PM

In my opinion, the best rifle is the one you can shoot accurately. Don't buy a magnum caliber if the recoil makes shooting sessions unpleasant and then you won't want to practice with your new toy. Rifles are for shooting, and shooting makes you a better shot. If this isn't an issue for you, then that's great. My all-around deer & elk rifle is a Winchester Model 70 Classic in 30-06. You'll be hard pressed to find a more versatile cartridge. Check the ballistic tables and you'll see that the difference in trajectory is surprisingly small compared to the magnum calibers, with much less recoil. I'm not familiar with the Weatherby rifles, other than their reputation as fine firearms. The Ruger M77 MKII is a great rifle for the price, but the stainless versions are too shiny for my taste. If it were me, I'd have the Remington M700 and Winchester M70 (make sure it's the "classic" version which has the pre-64 mauser-style action) on my list before the other two.

Big TULE · 12-28-2003, 09:50 PM

I have the M77 ruger in 300 win. if you want to shoot it we can meet somewhere. It is the stainless laminate wood stock... I would not get the synthetic... to light.

KingFisher85 · 12-28-2003, 10:48 PM

Recoil has never bothered me much at all. Give me a Ruger #1 in 375H&H and I'll shoot all your ammo up.
I'm really wanting another 300 win mag (have old parker hale beat up gun).
Weatherby and the Ruger M77 both run bout the same price. Was looking into a Ruger M77 like Big Tules, real nice gun, but my ol man has a few Weatherby Vanguard rifles that he use's and they are sweet.
Not looking to get one any time soon. Looking to sell my Winchester 1300 12ga shotgun, 22in rifled barrel, 28in birdie barrel so I can get a new toy :grin: Also might put up my Mossberg 835 for sale......

wife&3kids · 12-29-2003, 09:03 AM

My personal belief is a pre 64 model 70. I have on rechambered to 300 Wby.

I noticed someone said 30-06.... I realize every one loves em, but I have surprised a few 06 lovers that thought that they had a better chance of killing a deer with a 30-06..

Ragnar · 12-29-2003, 11:22 PM

Mike,
Uh ..... Speaking of shooting up all your ammo.....

That happened to me this year on the east side hunting whitetails.
I shoot a .300 Win mag. Reason being,I can get ammo fro it just about anywhere due to it's popularity. The same cannot be said about those other variants of the .300. I fortunately found some extra bullets in the next town. It was getting real close though (almost out of bullets). Yes, I thought I had packed enought ammo for the trip but man those whitetails are shifty little suckers.
If I'm not mistaken you're doing some hunting out and away from Oh Boy Amboy. Right? As you may have noticed there are actually "smaller" towns than Amboy out there. Not everyone has access to GI joes or FMS.
I'd hedge my bets on the sure thing personally. But hey! that's just me.
I'm some of those other variations can and will out perform the old standard, but by how much? And ask yourself the question... Is 'THAT' much really worth it? The choice is ultimately yours Amigo. Let us know what you wind-up getting.
Good luck and great shooting,
Ragnar

KingFisher85 · 12-30-2003, 02:22 AM

Ranger
uh...yea

I notice a town that is smaller then amboy...I notice theres lots of them small towns, but they all are alike. They all have 3 things in them. A bar, post office, and a general store. :grin: Amboy has all that PLUS a saw shop and a place to buy all your drinking needs :grin:

12-30-2003, 10:28 AM

KF,
Stick to the 300 Win, no telling how long the newer ones will be around.

Is your Parker Hale a Mauser or trash? If it's a Mauser it might be worth reworking or trading for Contender barrels. If it was given to you by your grandfather I would recomend keeping it forever.

KingFisher85 · 12-30-2003, 02:11 PM

Yes, it is a Mauser type action...Nope, not gonna get rid of it.
I do wanna clean it up tho. What I don't like about it is when you pull the bolt back all the way...(trying to figure out how to say this) When pulling the bolt back all the ways, when its fully pulled back, the bolt is resting on the stock. Its not like our Rugers or Winchesters where when you pull the bolt back it stays strait.
Its still shootable (no recoil pad at the moment), the bolt locks up good and everything. Its just the way the gun was made that the bolt does what it does.
I'm gonna take it to a gunsmith or someone, have them hot tub the barrel and re-blue and redo the stock. I tried redoing the stock but did not do a real good job around the checkering. It might even need a new stock.When I got it, half the gun was without a finish.

Trade for a T/C barrel...oh man, I like, but can't do. I pretty sure but all the guns I got from him are Pre 75s. My first ruger 10/22 I got from him (my uncle) was made in 73-74..and that I think that was the last gun he ever bought.

shawn2010 · 12-30-2003, 04:26 PM

If you where to compare the 300 ultra mag with the other 30 cal rifles the ultra mag is more similar to the 30-378 wby. With that in mind, you would pretty much be getting a 30-378 if you where to get the ultra mag I love my ultra mag but many people don�t, If you where to reload you can produce some awesome rounds that can�t be touched by the 300 win. I am pretty sure remington will keep the ultra mag around. Every one of those 30 cal rounds will kill an elk or a deer. Buy a good scope also.

McBaine · 12-30-2003, 07:52 PM

Ok here's another one for yeah. I shoot a Ruger M77 MKII in a .300 Win mag. Only I have it in a wood blue finish. I like the gun, but it can't shoot remington ammo worth beans. But I would rather have that ruger than a Vangaurd. The Vangaurd series have alot of dissapointing atributes I don't like, namely a barrel that doesn't float. They don't shoot nearly as well as a Mark V or Accumark. The former is what my dad owns, also in a .300 Win mag. The only reason I would lean to a .300 Win Mag is the higher availability of ammunition, and wider selection. As a retailer I have had the unfortunate thing to have people return a .300 Ultra Mag due to the kick.

MarlinMark · 12-30-2003, 08:22 PM

I can't wait to start reloading for my 300 ultra mag. It's going to be fun to see what kind of accuracy I can get. I know that a lot of the accuracy will be rifle dependant but it shoots the factory stuff really well already. I realize some of the "wiser" crowd says stick with the win mag. but I am having fun with something "new."

On a side note. Both, the deer and the elk, that I killed in MT. this year could have been killed with any accurate centerfire. I loved having my ultra mag when the elk were showing up all the way across the "park." I was able to sneek on them but, if it would have been a huge bull I probably wouldn't have risked the chance of spooking him. I would have shot confidently from where I was. Confidence is the key to shooting. It comes from training and practice. Training and practice are not replaced by a cool custom rifle or a fancy new round. :grin:

Mark

Fish Hawg · 12-30-2003, 08:54 PM

Well said Mark

[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] eveyone I have talked to said they got the best groups out of the nosler ballistic tips or the SST, good luck on your hand loads.........Ross

ICHTHYDEMON · 12-30-2003, 09:16 PM

Ballistic tips in a .300UM? I hope you like hamburger. :grin:

ORoutdoorsman · 12-31-2003, 05:00 PM

I agree with what mark said about confidence and practice. Alot of people who are not very good with their rifle, think it is because they need a flatter shooting gun. So they go and buy a cannon that is even more expensive, and more difficult for them to shoot.While it is fun to have something new and exciting, but 99% of accuracy is attributed to the shooter, not the round. With a good quality ammo and good gun, you can get good consistent groups at reasonable shooting ranges with any caliber. And any of the common big game rounds available will kill anything in the lower 48. Remember, practice, practice, practice. You will drop an elk better with gramps old beat up 270 that you can shoot well in any situation with, then you will with your $2500 338 set up that you are not any good with. My .02

12-31-2003, 05:36 PM

$2500 338? My custom 338-06 only cost me $600 to build and I only have $700 into my 416 Dakota, but it still needs a quarter rib, front sight, QD rings and a scope. I bought my slightly used custom built Sako 416 Rem for only $800.

I don't have a problem with the new 300's but some won't be around in 10 years and you can't find ammo in very many places, yet. And unless you are shooting at extreme range you don't need the extra velocity.

Ballistic Tips will vaporize when an animal is hit at less than 150 yards when pushed at extremely high velocities.

ORoutdoorsman · 01-01-2004, 12:18 AM

$2500 when you stick on an $1800+ swarovski scope

You can easily get yourself into a "top of the line" gun for a few grand.

01-01-2004, 03:49 PM

Yes that will do it. I stick to scopes made in Oregon or reciever sights.

Fish Hawg · 01-01-2004, 04:11 PM

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I stick to scopes made in Oregon

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Well said

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Fish'n'Chips · 01-02-2004, 03:07 PM

why all the secrecy Leupold...leupold...leupold

brshooter · 01-02-2004, 04:33 PM

KF85,
Nothing against Ruger's and Weatherby's, but how can you not consider the Remington 700. Fast lock time, minimal action flex, a good trigger that cleans up really nice with a hone, and is probably the most popular "production" action for building bench guns on.
If it is 100% a hunting rifle, the Rugers can really take a beating and still hold up really well. Of your two picks, I would take the Ruger in 300 Win Mag.

01-02-2004, 08:40 PM

Kant Spel LeoPold :grin:

KingFisher85 · 01-02-2004, 08:57 PM

Never been one to like Remington guns. Don't like there safey much. Grew up with Ruger and Weatherby firearms, why change?

Remington...to standard...everyone and there brother has one...and they all look the same

shawn2010 · 01-02-2004, 09:15 PM

I wouldn't say every remington looks the same, but I wonder why everyone and there brother has a model 700. I could be because they are a great gun. So is weather by, but I wouldn't get a ruger over the vanguard, and I would get a remington over those two.

Fish Hawg · 01-02-2004, 09:41 PM

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I wouldn't get a ruger over the vanguard, and I would get a remington over those two.

Not all remingtons look alike, How many people you see shooting this model

:grin:

Also Remington must build a good rifle, why do the S.W.A.T snipers use a Remington, and most snipers shooting a 308 use a remington action, (I saw this info on discovery chanel They said the most used action was a remington and the scope was a Leupold) Very interesting show. something to think about. :grin:

if You are set on ruger or weatherby I would go weatherby. Just my $0.01

KingFisher85 · 01-02-2004, 09:55 PM

Yea, you don't see many people using that gun cause its an heavy SOB... :grin:

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KingFisher85 · 01-08-2004, 10:12 PM

well, any others wanna put there 2 cents in? I kinda bought a new shotgun but...I can sell this one and buy a 300 still :grin:

Looks like I need to find a Ruger 300 and shoot it and see how I like.

OwyheeKIller · 01-09-2004, 12:19 PM

I can't say on the other models but I love my 300 Win. Mag. model 70. I'll never get rid of it. It's just too practical, been around forever. You can find ammo everywhere. Plus it's very accurate at long ranges even after a day of heavy practice. Mine is stainless/synthetic and kicks like a mule but if thats a concern for you, then I would go with the wood.

ORoutdoorsman · 01-09-2004, 11:30 PM

I would take a Remington over all others(did, actually). But if your choice is between Ruger and weatherby, I would pick weatherby. I know people with Ruger rifles, and they like them. But I think that a weatherby is a better quality gun than a Ruger is. As far as most people shooting a remington, they shoot more remington rifles for the same reason more people that shoot pump choose 870 W.M., quality! What I would do personally, depending on how much money you got. Buy a Remington 700 ADL in 300 Win mag, and buy a remington 870. I have both(two of the shotguns) and wont ever get rid of them. Plus, you can always use more guns!