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Old 05-20-2017, 01:08 PM   #121
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True it doesn't mean you are under the influence of THC but it does show your employer that you thumb your nose federal law and therefore you might not be the most trustworthy employee
No company wants a law breaker, that's for sure. A good background check can usually get to the bottom of that one. I just think that's not what the drug tests are mostly about, but rather safety.

Edit to add there is a lot worse laws you can break than smoking pot that is legal at the state level.


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That was the primary issue before it was legalized by the states too. At least for a couple of the employers I worked for.
Their attitude was one of:
"If you're willing to break that law, how many more laws do you think don't apply to you?"
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No company wants a law breaker, that's for sure. A good background check can usually get to the bottom of that one. I just think that's not what the drug tests are mostly about, but rather safety.

Edit to add there is a lot worse laws you can break than smoking pot that is legal at the state level.

There's a stop sign near my house that I pass through at least once a day, I can count on one hand the number of times I obey that sign in a month.

I speed, all the time.

There are lots of laws that apply to me that I ignore, but I'm a trustworthy guy.




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Old 05-20-2017, 02:22 PM   #123
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That's what I was thinking Pharm. Obeying every traffic law to the letter does not make a person safe or courteous to those around them when it comes to speed. If you think it does, you aren't really thinking.
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I only read through page one, that was enough...holy high horses!! Glad I work where I do...
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But how many people smoke dope for the taste? Isn't the point of smoking dope to get altered? Sure, you don't have to get Cheech and Chong stoned every time, but we're talking about degrees of altered, so the goal obviously is to get high.
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I know you get completely lit on Friday and pee clean Monday.

Random UA at some companies are an absolute joke. A lot of companies will never random UA a highly productive worker if the suspect they are a user.
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That is not a true statement Lots of companies do - including managers, good productive people, etc You ahve to keep records on how randomization was established
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That is not a true statement Lots of companies do - including managers, good productive people, etc You ahve to keep records on how randomization was established


You see we both used soft words in our response now didn't we.


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just have to throw this in..............
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAdDdTZuNA8
Well that proves it medical marijuana is a cure all... all I needed was that one person to prove it works.

If it truely was a game changer big pharmacy lobby would be out in force to force congress to change the law so they could profit off it
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Old 05-20-2017, 06:03 PM   #129
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Well that proves it medical marijuana is a cure all... all I needed was that one person to prove it works.

If it truely was a game changer big pharmacy lobby would be out in force to force congress to change the law so they could profit off it
It's possible the reason big Pharma isn't lobbying is partially due to the fact that they already have anti-seizure, anti-depressant, anti-nausea and pain relief medications approved and risk losing those revenue streams.

However, there are some that are exploring cannabinoids, look up GW Pharmacueticals.

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Well that proves it medical marijuana is a cure all... all I needed was that one person to prove it works.

If it truely was a game changer big pharmacy lobby would be out in force to force congress to change the law so they could profit off it
You can't patent a plant. Synthetic Marijuana is supposedly awful. There's money to be made for sure it there, but not by big pharma.
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If the law (federal and or state) requires drug testing, in my opinion the politicians, judges, police, firefighters, emt's, and all military personell including the highest ranking officers should all be tested at random. The man who sets in the Oval Office should also be randomly tested. These people all make life ending judgement calls. And lets not forget the pharmacists either who seem to have a habit of failing to fill prescriptions correctly. Some of these people have caused innocent people to die and I ask you, are they drug tested at random times like employees working for most companies? I doubt it... I am sure some of you will say- well we sure are, and I say B.S. when a cop shoots someone is he or she immediatly drug tested? a life was taken... when a doctor screws up during surgery and the patient dies, is he or she drug tested right away? i dont think so----- But if a forklift driver runs over and kills somebody, guess what---He gets drug tested. What happened to-- All men are equall.
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You can't patent a plant. Synthetic Marijuana is supposedly awful. There's money to be made for sure it there, but not by big pharma.


Yes, yes you can

https://www.uspto.gov/patents-gettin...out-35-usc-161



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Yes, yes you can

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"A plant patent is granted by the Government to an inventor (or the inventor's heirs or assigns) who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced a distinct and new variety of plant, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state. The grant, which lasts for 20 years from the date of filing the application, protects the inventor's right to exclude others from asexually reproducing, selling, or using the plant so reproduced. This protection is limited to a plant in its ordinary meaning:"

So a guy would have to create a new strain of dope plant. I wonder if that would pass, since dope is illegal according to Federal law.




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"A plant patent is granted by the Government to an inventor (or the inventor's heirs or assigns) who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced a distinct and new variety of plant, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state. The grant, which lasts for 20 years from the date of filing the application, protects the inventor's right to exclude others from asexually reproducing, selling, or using the plant so reproduced. This protection is limited to a plant in its ordinary meaning:"



So a guy would have to create a new strain of dope plant. I wonder if that would pass, since dope is illegal according to Federal law.









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Come on Pharm you can do better than this.
Their is a race to patent the heritage breeds of cannabis, since all other are defendants of these heritage strains.

Or even better right now the federal government has a licensing agreement with a private company that sells cannabis. In which the federal government receives a royalty from said licensing agreement.


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Reading this reminded me of getting a ride to a job site from one of my friends that was a heavy smoker. He had just smoked a bowl and did not see the School Bus that was approaching the intersection or the Stop sign he was supposed to stop at. I even yelled at him and he could not understand why. Today he no longer does any drugs and lectures people on the evils of weed every chance he gets.
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http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=0...6RS=PN/9095554

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The first one looks like a patent for cannibinoids.

"The present invention concerns pharmaceutical compounds and compositions that are useful as tissue protectants, such as neuroprotectants and cardioprotectants. The compounds and compositions may be used, for example, in the treatment of acute ischemic neurological insults or chronic neurodegenerative diseases."


The second one seems to be a patent on the methods for the breeding and processing of specialty plants. So not the plants themselves.

Or are you referring to my question about legality? Looks legal to me. But it's not a patent on the plant.




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The first one looks like a patent for cannibinoids.

"The present invention concerns pharmaceutical compounds and compositions that are useful as tissue protectants, such as neuroprotectants and cardioprotectants. The compounds and compositions may be used, for example, in the treatment of acute ischemic neurological insults or chronic neurodegenerative diseases."


The second one seems to be a patent on the methods for the breeding and processing of specialty plants. So not the plants themselves.

Or are you referring to my question about legality? Looks legal to me. But it's not a patent on the plant.




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The first one is very broad, some legal interpretation of the patent, state that it patents cannabis in general.

But here you go an actual US Plant Patent for Cannabis

https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../USPP27475.pdf

And lastly it is perfectly legal to patent legal things but you are unable to trademark it.

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Cool. They created a new strain and patented it.

Isn't that what I said?






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Met a guy at the DMV getting a renewal on his CDL the other day. He was probably drunk during this 10:00 encounter. He told me he had to get back to work so he could start saving for his and the wife"s retirement. He had healed up well on his hip replacement procedure and needed to go get some insurance to help get his other hip replacement. He was 76 years old and had been driving log trucks all his life. He also quipped that his first retirement didn't stick because he helped put his grand-kids through college and his wife liked to play lottery poker a little to much.

Welcome to the profile of the new real life workers around us on the roads. I doubt the guy had ever smoked anything but 1-2 packs of camels a day along with his Skoal.
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Not much concern in the computer SW or HW industry. Only rule I've heard was don't get caught coming to work impaired or selling on site or you will be terminated. My feeling is that altered might help folks think out complicated algorithms or come up with breakthrough applications, given the chance. More encouraged in the California think tank environments, but those seem like more short term jobs instead of careers.
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This recreational drug use becoming legal is in its infancy at this time. It will prevail,its not going away.Developing test to read the toxicity level will be widely in use soon. If some smokes pot on Saturday or Sunday and arrives at work on Monday not intoxicated, where's the problem?


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And until it is and won, still a disqualifying act in all states. But, don't me wrong. On one hand I am not a fan of Marijuana, BUT the disparity between a legally drinking Oregonian and a legally marijuana smoking Oregonian in not right.
My sentiments exactly.
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Here is the kicker. The Federal Government someday will say Okay marijuana is now legal to use. Yeah!!! BUT, you still can not be under the influence at work. Be it beer or marijuana, you test positive, not good.
Testing positive for marijuana is not the same physiologically as testing positive for alcohol. You can still tes positive 30 days after exposure or ingestion of marijuana.
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Not true, I know people who have passed tests 4 days after smoking

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Not without cheating.
Funny, considering the guy told HR that he would fail, he passed! So now he needs to do a random monthly on his dime for a year. I'm thinking if he cheated, he wouldn't have ratted himself out.


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I lost a friend at Weyerhaeuser in Springfield, he got killed by a guy driving a forklift. Pee test came up dirty. I'll bet Ronnie's family wishes that guy quit before he killed Ronnie.

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No way to tell. All we know is a good woman lost her husband and three kids lost their dad.

And the guy who killed him had dope in his system.





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Like I said, it cannot be proven to be the cause.

It cannot be dismissed, either.




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Actually cannabis can be cleared from your system as little as 2 days and as long as 8 weeks. It all depends on the individual, strength, and usage. Maybe check your info a little better before assuming.


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Actually cannabis can be cleared from your system as little as 2 days and as long as 12 days. It all depends on the individual, strength, and usage. Maybe check your info a little better before assuming.


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I had to edit my post. It is as long as 8 weeks. The boss was talking to me in the middle of my post.


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I worked for a door company in Central Oregon in the early 90s for spending cash while working as ski patrol at Bachelor.

I was partying Sunday night - had a few tokes off a friends bong.

Monday morning first thing I was called in for a urine test...they drove me to the testing facility, did an observed test. I was shaking so badly that I almost missed the cup.

Came up negative...still to this day I am not sure why.

If we tested we would lose 75% of our staff.
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[QUOTE=Han Solo;14175642]I'm not necessarily pro pot. But I am absolutely anti-stupid.

Because one drug (alcohol) is bad doesn't provide the rational that POT is ok or better.

I've said it before.... alcohol is right there with all the other drugs that cause problems.

My issue with legalization is I don't want to see anyone have easier access when under age. I used pot starting in my teens for a quite a few years. It didn't do me any favors. It hasn't done my son any favors. Charged with a felony @ 15 because he got caught with it at school. A felony is for life which we later realized. You can expunge state and county, but federal is for life.

Take any hard core addict and I'll bet the 1st drug they used wasn't Meth or whatever.
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Reefer Madness seems to be alive and well.
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Take any hard core addict and I'll bet the 1st drug they used wasn't Meth or whatever.

AARP recently did a study and we will use a good visualization. Stand in line with a bunch of people. Look to the left and look to the right. If you have never used Cannabis odds are both of the people you are standing next to have and one of them has smoked it in front of or with their children. Then there is a 50/50 chance that they have even smoked it with their parents.

So one out of every two retirees use marijuana more than once per year. Are they gatewaying to something worse?



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So one out of every two retirees use marijuana more than once per year. Are they gatewaying to something worse?
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Hey wait......wasn't there a few Presidents that admitted to smoking Dope, I think it was Bill Clinton.......at least as he said, he never inhaled it, that made me feel a whole lot better.
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Hey wait......wasn't there a few Presidents that admitted to smoking Dope, I think it was Bill Clinton.......at least as he said, he never inhaled it, that made me feel a whole lot better.
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Testing positive for marijuana is not the same physiologically as testing positive for alcohol. You can still tes positive 30 days after exposure or ingestion of marijuana.
And that's the disparity I was talking about. They really need to change the thresholds for testing positive. A lot of employers are zero tolerance, so even thresholds would not help in these cases.
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And that's the disparity I was talking about. They really need to change the thresholds for testing positive. A lot of employers are zero tolerance, so even thresholds would not help in these cases.
Huh? If the company sets a high threshold someone testing positive but below the "positive"testing threshold would be reported as negative. The company wouldn't know any better.
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I am no legaleeze expert, but basically develop a scale. Anything below a certain number, who cares, negative for marijuana. I have seen plenty of employees being fired for drug use. There are some hard core drug users out there, testing with multiple drugs in the system. Yes, they tested positive for Meth Marijuana and Oxy and although there was three drugs in their system, they only surpassed the threshold on two of them and they were fired for only the drugs that they exceeded the threshold.
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I am no legaleeze expert, but basically develop a scale. Anything below a certain number, who cares, negative for marijuana. I have seen plenty of employees being fired for drug use. There are some hard core drug users out there, testing with multiple drugs in the system. Yes, they tested positive for Meth Marijuana and Oxy and although there was three drugs in their system, they only surpassed the threshold on two of them and they were fired for only the drugs that they exceeded the threshold.

I wonder if some drugs act synergistically, so that 2+2=5.

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Testing positive for marijuana is not the same physiologically as testing positive for alcohol. You can still tes positive 30 days after exposure or ingestion of marijuana.
People who smoke think that's not fair, they shouldn't be punished if they are not under the influence...the victim mentality, that I have seen to be a pattern with the majority of normal pot smokers.

It's the nature of the drug, quit complaining, nobody is forcing anyone to smoke it.

I have met quite a few with little or no long term character effects...but most have the victim mentality.
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Victim mentality is all around, my favorite are the victims who claim to not be victims.


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I agree the mentality is widespread, but I do think prolonged, excessive exposure to thc ups the odds of having that mindset.
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