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Old 04-14-2017, 10:57 AM   #1
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Question Estimate for 2017 salmonfly emergence around Maupin?

I was looking to put some vacation days on the calendar.

I used to fish the hatch of big bugs regularly, mostly along the reservation, but haven't in some time (getting an ocean boat seems to change one's priorities).

So, with the change in water conditions and in hatch times on the Deschutes, I was hoping to get a little input on what y'all feel will likely be good dates to fish around Maupin with adult salmonflies on the water?

In the past, the trailing edge of the pteronarcys hatch and the emergence of the Goldens was often a peak time.

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Old 04-14-2017, 11:20 AM   #2
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I was looking to put some vacation days on the calendar.

I used to fish the hatch of big bugs regularly, mostly along the reservation, but haven't in some time (getting an ocean boat seems to change one's priorities).

So, with the change in water conditions and in hatch times on the Deschutes, I was hoping to get a little input on what y'all feel will likely be good dates to fish around Maupin with adult salmonflies on the water?

In the past, the trailing edge of the pteronarcys hatch and the emergence of the Goldens was often a peak time.
No later than early May. If we get some warmer weather they will be crawling by the end of April.
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Depends mostly on water temps. With SWW the hatch has been earlier than in the past in the past several years. Volume of water could have an effect this year and possibly push things back a bit IMO. First few weeks of May are a safe bet I think.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:12 AM   #4
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May of today is the old June when it comes to the salmonflys. Considering Ive seen salmonflys in WS at the end of April, wouldn't surprise me if their in Maupin by mid April
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May of today is the old June when it comes to the salmonflys. Considering Ive seen salmonflys in WS at the end of April, wouldn't surprise me if their in Maupin by mid April
It's mid-April. They're not in Maupin yet.

As others have insinuated, watch the water temps.
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I'll let the fish know!
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If you're trying to set a schedule I'd aim for after the first week of May.
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If you're trying to set a schedule I'd aim for after the first week of May.
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I've fished below Maupin in May three of the last four years. I think the first week may be a little early, especially given the high, cold water this year. I fished the salmonfly hatch the first week of May in 2013 and found zero salmonflies/stoneflies that day. The next year, I went a week later and found lots.

Also, in my experience, it takes the trout awhile to key on the adults once they start emerging.

Let us know what you find.
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I fish the hatch every year. I prefer to hit it as the hatch tails off or has ended.(The pressure created by the mass of guides and their clients keeps me off the river till later every year. I think the huge armadas keep the fish pretty skidish. The whole month of June into July will fish.
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Old 04-19-2017, 11:48 AM   #11
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Agreed that with the cooler Spring we're having might knock it back a little bit, but it does seem that once the water temp hits that magic number (it's getting close), they'll start emerging & all it takes is a day or two of warm weather to get them flying around & falling into the water.

Personally, I prefer the earlier portion (fish always seem far more stupid before they've seen a barrage of Norm Woods & Chubbies) of it but have had success at the beginning, middle & tail-end. Even if it's really busy out there, the vast majority of those folks fish once a year...during that hatch, so it's pretty easy to find fresh water if you're willing to get your hands (and knees) dirty.

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Old 04-19-2017, 06:37 PM   #12
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[QUOTE=clarkman23;14042537 it does seem that once the water temp hits that magic number (it's getting close), they'll start emerging & all it takes is a day or two of warm weather to get them flying around & falling into the water.

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Roger that Clarkman! The water temp is already at the magic number down at Moody. I'm surprised it is already at that temp down there with the cool weather and high snowpack/runoff.... but it is. I think by the time the calendar turns to May Maupin should be rockin'!
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Roger that Clarkman! The water temp is already at the magic number down at Moody. I'm surprised it is already at that temp down there with the cool weather and high snowpack/runoff.... but it is. I think by the time the calendar turns to May Maupin should be rockin'!
Thank you SWW for these water temps during the coldest spring many can ever remember. It's a beautiful project! 😉 Sorry, I couldn't resist....
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:49 AM   #14
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Is there a significant difference in timing between when the river in the Maupin area is hatching and when the Warm Springs area is hatching?
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Old 05-04-2017, 12:04 PM   #15
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Fished Maupin yesterday. There were no bugs in the bushes, on the rocks, in the air or on top of the water. Air temp was 82?, water was slightly colored.
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Floated WS to TC yesterday. I didn't see any big bugs out and about. Mostly midges with a nice caddis hatch at last light. Caught a nice 16-17" on a stonefly nymph rig but it was not easy fishing. Tough sledding that's for sure.
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:37 PM   #17
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Fished WS - TC Tuesday and there wasn't a lot happening. Visibility was OK, what few takers there were were on a smallish black stonefly nymph. A few dark caddis around mid-day but we were off the river by 1530 so didn't see later activity. Nothing crawling on the brush
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The hatch will rock this year. It will be late late. After others have moved on to other things
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My prediction is a much more 'normal' timing this year than in previous years based on what I saw, or didn't see, below Shearers yesterday. With that said, it will be interesting to see if we are back to the normal amount of bugs when they do show as opposed to the sporadic hatch these past few years.
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Old 05-05-2017, 12:20 PM   #20
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Funny thing is, if you read the main fly shop in Maupin's fishing report on their website; THEY ARE HERE already!!!

Ha!

They post for catching fisherman, not fish obviously.
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Funny thing is, if you read the main fly shop in Maupin's fishing report on their website; THEY ARE HERE already!!!

Ha!

They post for catching fisherman, not fish obviously.
I based my trip,yesterday to the Deschutes,on this same report from this Maupin fly shop. Imagine my disappointment when the bugs were not there! This is the second time I traveled to the Deschutes based on a bogus report from this shop.....never again.
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Usually when the snakes and ticks are thick and the poison oak starts growing!!!
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Years ago when I spent a considerable amount of time on the Deschutes, it was like mid April or there abouts. Weather was beautiful, had a good mid day March Brown hatch going. Couldn't match the hatch so tied on some tiny Caddis, close as I could come. Caught a few fish despite having the wrong flies. When the hatch died, I thought maybe the fish were still hungry and the best I could do was put on a traditional Golden Stone just as an attractor pattern. Despite the fact the stone fly hatch was weeks away, the fish went crazy over what they were offered. Ended the day with close to 50 fish landed over a foot long, just like your typical early June day. Sometimes the fish cooperate for no apparent reason.
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I based my trip,yesterday to the Deschutes,on this same report from this Maupin fly shop. Imagine my disappointment when the bugs were not there! This is the second time I traveled to the Deschutes based on a bogus report from this shop.....never again.
Bogus reports from these guys, huh?..................(biting my tongue).................oh, the pain!.................
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I based my trip,yesterday to the Deschutes,on this same report from this Maupin fly shop. Imagine my disappointment when the bugs were not there! This is the second time I traveled to the Deschutes based on a bogus report from this shop.....never again.
Well, they didn't say 'what' bugs where here! I learned long ago to take reports like this very lightly especially from any fly Shop! With that said, they are usually pretty accurate and straight forward with things they report IMO. My guess is 'somebody' saw a few bugs below Macks and panic set in!

It always pays to be the report, not read the report....

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The report in question says "THEY ARE HERE!!!! Golden Stonefly ADULTS have just been spotted fr the first time this year in the grass alongside the river just a few miles north of Maupin!!!"

To me that doesn't say the hatch is in full force and doesn't anything about Salmonflies. It just says that some Golden Stones have hatched somewhere down-stream from Maupin.
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Here's an up to date report, straight from the rio....

I drove over last night, and knowing the White was probably still puking heavily into the lower river, I drove through the town section (which I rarely fish) just to see what the activity was like.The lower town section, down to the confluence with the White, was as crowded with fisher peeps as I have ever seen it, and therefore I just kept driving and beat it down to below Buck Hollow. I was mostly just jonzin' to get out camping for a night, catch some sun, and relax. I figured I would deal with the dirty water, if the trade-off was more solitude. Visibility down there was about 18 inches....and was adequate enough to catch a few fish playing the dirty nymph game. There weren't many bugs in the streamside vegetation down in that section (between Buck Hollow and Beavertail). They may have been burrowed down deep in the vegetation as a cold front swing through Friday, and it was extremely windy last night when I fished there.

This morning I drove up through the town section on my way out and stopped briefly. There were noticeably more bugs up above the White. Counter intuitive having more bugs already hatching up higher, but the area I stopped at was a location that has very oxygenated water, and the river properties likely allow for a larger population in general in that section, compared to the Buck Hollow area.

I only fished up there for about a 1/2 hour in a rather popular section, and I didn't have enough time for bushwacking and covering any virgin water. I had a couple small fish rise to dries, but they were likely smolts. I did a little Czech nymphing before heading home and managed a couple small rainbows (of the non-smolt variety).

Regarding reports, I really only trust them if I know the person they are coming from, and they did the actual catching. Sometimes guys will be catching smolts or juvenile fish and say the fish are keyed in. I'm only interested in knowing the bruisers are looking up. The fly shop reports are usually pretty honest in my opinion, but of course that are not real time, and sometimes on certain days they may have to rely on getting second hand info from customers.

I was hoping for better, but with the nicer weather forecasted this week it should be good very very soon...perhaps as early as tonight or tomorrow. Go if you can....if nothing else its such a great time to be out there after a long winter, and the fish should be climbing on the big bugs any day.

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Here's a little advice, be the report, don't chase it....you'll invariably be disappointed.
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Went down yesterday (Tuesday) started below the White, it was still blown with visibility being about 5". There were Salmonflies below Shears with lots in the grass and a few buzzing in the air.

Headed above the White and water was somewhat better, also bugs in the air but not too many in the grass and not as thick as below. One 15" redside and one larger smolt to hand below Maupin, all under the surface.

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Ever since the tower was put in, the hatch has been a lot earlier. Since the water temperature is higher due to the mid strata and surface draw, the hatch has not been at its traditional Mother's Day weekend time. Due to the extremely unusual weather, water temperatures are different this year. The hatch is ending up being more traditional for the first time in 8 years. Nobody could've predicted this. We have had record rains. Odd weather. Ridiculously messy, snowy winter in central OR.

As far as calling the Deschutes Angler's report a bogus one, I heavily disagree. They are honest. I did see stoneflies despite the cold weather the last two weekends, so I imagine they were out on the hot days. I had a giant salmon fly land on me Saturday by Beavertail. I think it will be full swing anytime. To be clear, that shop and its guides do more for the river, the DRA, and more to bring the public a tremendous amount of accurate and privileged information that in many cases, costs them short term business. It's their honesty and integrity that have brought the long term following they enjoy. Please be careful calling anything like that bogus when you are upset because things didn't go your way. I'd encourage everyone to educate themselves through the DRA, and realize that the real reason the hatches on the Deschutes are so unpredictable to people who have guided there for 30 years is that the tower and water situation is so messed-up and inconsistent. Learn from the Deschutes River Alliance- and take your frustrations out by giving them money to get the river predictable and right again. Saying things that may incorrectly harm a business that brings you a free service that is a privilege is not a careful use of this forum. I'm just an angler, and I'm very thankful for the service and guidance from the Deschutes Angler.
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Ever since the tower was put in, the hatch has been a lot earlier. Since the water temperature is higher due to the mid strata and surface draw, the hatch has not been at its traditional Mother's Day weekend time. Due to the extremely unusual weather, water temperatures are different this year. The hatch is ending up being more traditional for the first time in 8 years. Nobody could've predicted this. We have had record rains. Odd weather. Ridiculously messy, snowy winter in central OR.

As far as calling the Deschutes Angler's report a bogus one, I heavily disagree. They are honest. I did see stoneflies despite the cold weather the last two weekends, so I imagine they were out on the hot days. I had a giant salmon fly land on me Saturday by Beavertail. I think it will be full swing anytime. To be clear, that shop and its guides do more for the river, the DRA, and more to bring the public a tremendous amount of accurate and privileged information that in many cases, costs them short term business. It's their honesty and integrity that have brought the long term following they enjoy. Please be careful calling anything like that bogus when you are upset because things didn't go your way. I'd encourage everyone to educate themselves through the DRA, and realize that the real reason the hatches on the Deschutes are so unpredictable to people who have guided there for 30 years is that the tower and water situation is so messed-up and inconsistent. Learn from the Deschutes River Alliance- and take your frustrations out by giving them money to get the river predictable and right again. Saying things that may incorrectly harm a business that brings you a free service that is a privilege is not a careful use of this forum. I'm just an angler, and I'm very thankful for the service and guidance from the Deschutes Angler, but I'd request more restraint and a redirect of your anger or frustration to PGE. They are the real culprit your hatch timing isn't what you hoped.
Thanks for sharing the real concerns. It is not less fish, but the hatch is different and you might miss the easy fishing.
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As far as calling the Deschutes Angler's report a bogus one, I heavily disagree. They are honest. I did see stoneflies despite the cold weather the last two weekends, so I imagine they were out on the hot days. I had a giant salmon fly land on me Saturday by Beavertail. I think it will be full swing anytime. To be clear, that shop and its guides do more for the river, the DRA, and more to bring the public a tremendous amount of accurate and privileged information that in many cases, costs them short term business. It's their honesty and integrity that have brought the long term following they enjoy. Please be careful calling anything like that bogus when you are upset because things didn't go your way. I'd encourage everyone to educate themselves through the DRA, and realize that the real reason the hatches on the Deschutes are so unpredictable to people who have guided there for 30 years is that the tower and water situation is so messed-up and inconsistent. Learn from the Deschutes River Alliance- and take your frustrations out by giving them money to get the river predictable and right again. Saying things that may incorrectly harm a business that brings you a free service that is a privilege is not a careful use of this forum. I'm just an angler, and I'm very thankful for the service and guidance from the Deschutes Angler, but I'd request more restraint and a redirect of your anger or frustration to PGE. They are the real culprit your hatch timing isn't what you hoped.
I do not think they were deliberately misleading but misleading nonetheless. When it's posted on a fishing report, in capital letters, THEY ARE HERE then what is someone supposed to believe?
Yes, I saw a few bugs as well but nothing to get excited about.
I have bought a few thousand dollars worth of gear from that shop and will continue to do so but I was just disappointed at a report that I thought was misleading.
The other report was a few years ago and the employee who gave it to me over the phone no longer works there.
I also agree with everything posted about the DRA
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The topic of this thread is Salmon flies. There are other threads to discuss other Deschutes river issues. Further off topic posts will also be removed.
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Was working on a pump just below the reg dam 1/2 mile. Had salmon flies, just a few, in the bushes and crawling on me as I was reworking the pump.


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I spent the last couple of days in Maupin. There are good numbers of Salmonflies and Golden Stones in the grass and bushes. The sun yesterday got a few flying, but it doesn't seem like the trout are keyed in on the adults yet. The forecast warmer weather this week could change that.
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I saw a Facebook post from the West Side of the river with who I think is Mrs. garyK. How did you guys do? Looked like fun
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Monday afternoon. White Horse rapids area... Good numbers of pteronarcys on the brush (but not in the air). Don't believe I saw any Goldens.

Trout are still in the deep water and not along the banks at all. Tough fishing and pretty mediocre with just seven or eight trout to hand for three rods. I went deep with small #16-18 nymphs and did the best. The Littleleafs' "Predator" dry fly did get attention and took some trout.

Tuesday afternoon. Uppermost Warm Springs. Squally weather (snowing heavily up on the hill during the drive home) likely shut down the fishing. A few pteronarcys on the brush. I expected good nymphing in this early-emergence stage but the trout had other ideas. Lots of tiny BWO's and #16 gray caddis from morning through the afternoon but nothing - and I mean nothing - was rising. I tried a lot of different patterns and techniques. One above-average redside on a #18 pheasant tail fished deep was it for me.

The warmer, sunny weather forecasted for later this week should improve the fishing. And the flows may decrease some.

It was a pleasure spending the afternoon with Alysia of Littleleaf Guide Service, with stepson Buck, and after decades of only being able to look at it from a distance, an honor to tour the reservation's west bank.
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Just curious is LittleLeaf the only guide service fishing the reservation side. Looks like Al Bagleys / Matt Mendes website riverbend1 is still active.....

I remember hearing positive things about Matt Mendes but that was several years ago.
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Just curious is LittleLeaf the only guide service fishing the reservation side. Looks like Al Bagleys / Matt Mendes website riverbend1 is still active.....

I remember hearing positive things about Matt Mendes but that was several years ago.
Yes, Matt is guiding on the res. I happen to have a trip scheduled with him for Sunday.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:22 AM   #40
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I just finished up a four day camp trip, three of those days were in a pretty nasty cold front with never ending wind and heavy rain Tuesday night. Bugs took to the air yesterday late in the day as there cold front lifted. Fishing has been very spotty. The river is extremely busy. There are golden and salmon flies up and down the entire river, fish have yet to start lining up for them. Have yet to see a single green drake.

We managed about a half dozen fish per day except day three where we had some mega spots. Fish seem overall to be averaging a smaller size. Lot's of slot limit size fish, very few big fish...maybe tomorrow.
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Tuesday's squall was no joke. I spent that day on the Met and it was sunny, rained, windy, hail, and snow all at different times during the day (My understanding was that it was far less windy than the D)...luckily I did manage a trifecta of sort...Bull, Brown and whitefish...just no Redsides to hand.

I'll be making the trek to the D later this next week though...I've gotta get my fix before I get back to regularly scheduled programming.

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My personal experience with the stone fly on the res is to begin in Ernest once the armada has determined that the hatch has ended. I have had some of my finest top water action in mid June to July on the D and spilling into august in Montana at elevation. The flustered distressed golden stone fly that looks like a second grader tied with a white bubble trailing caddis pupa trailer that looks like a tiny cotton ball with a tail that imitates bubbles is my go to pattern late in the season. the pupa will get hit about 50% of the time as it ascends the last 2 ft of the water column at the end of the dead drift for your stone fly. I think the trout want them more once the hatch has been digested and the fish start to get hungry again after the mega hatch of guides and clients.

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