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Old 09-02-2008, 09:18 PM   #1
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One of the posts brought up a guestion in my mind. Say you shoot a buck or bull and don't plan on having it mounted and don't want to pack out the extra weight of the scalp, eyes, ect. This would mean that using the head as proof of sex is invalid, although quite obvious what it is with the antlers and all. So this would mean that I would have to leave the male part attached to a hind quarter, do I have to leave the whole thing??? I really don't want the whole thing dangling around my meat. Will just a portion of the "thing" surfice, since it again is quite obvious what "it" is?

I understand that some people might use a bull head to bring out a cow or spike in a 3pt. unit and that is why I thought they required the ears and eye balls, the eyes age very quickly.

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Old 09-02-2008, 09:32 PM   #2
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I usually leave 1 nut on
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:37 PM   #3
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I leave the whole thing on, but wrap it up in a sandwich bag, and tied on tight. Once I drop it off and the butcher, I cut it off myself, in case he has a since of humor.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:57 PM   #4
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i started to leave skullcap/antlers attached with the jaw tendons to a front shoulder, and a hind quarter with tool attached. this way i can transfer a hind quarter to a fellow hunters at camp and it is legal for them to have it in possesion. and i'm legal with the front shoulder and skull plate. it would be a shame to have a buddy to help you pack out a bull from some hellhole and get a ticket on the way home.
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Old 09-03-2008, 07:14 AM   #5
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if i rember corectly you have to have atleast the antlers with the meat.
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Old 09-03-2008, 07:18 AM   #6
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if i rember corectly you have to have atleast the antlers with the meat.
Not true if your not leaving the state pay attention to all of the "OR's" in this paragraph:

Page 35 of the regs:

Evidence of sex for deer and elk
which will NOT be taken out of
Oregon is: Either the animalís scalp
(including attached eyes and ears if
the animal is female; OR ears, antlers
and eyes if the animal is male) OR the
head naturally attached to at least one
quarter of the carcass OR reproductive
organs (testicles, scrotum, *****, vulva,
udder, mammary) naturally attached to
one quarter of the carcass OR to another
major portion of meat as described
below for animals leaving the state of
Oregon.
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Old 09-03-2008, 07:36 AM   #7
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I usually leave the testes attached to a small piece of skin and leave the skin on a rear ham quarter shank (lower leg). I try and wrap it seperate in plastic so it does not spoil any meat it rubs into in the bag.

As soon as I shoot one, it is butchered on the spot, all 4 quarters hanging, the carcass boned out and hung in a bag, and the head cut off. Pack the head out with the tag on it and stash it in camp. Return with knives, more bags, and packframe. Bone the hanging quarters and start packing meat. No bone or bloodshot meat packed out. All the scraps and bones go back to the critters living in the woods, not in some urban landfill.

One tip I would give is carry a cheap 1 or 2 mil painters tarp with you. In addition to being a great survival shetler if needed, I open it up when butchering meat and use it as a clean surface to throw boned meat on, then bag it when done. When done butchering your elk, it also works to wrap the head up so blood does not drain down your neck packing the head back to camp....
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Old 09-03-2008, 07:42 AM   #8
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What about the *****? Doesn't the ***** count as proof of a male? What could be better proof of a male than a *****?
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Old 09-03-2008, 08:16 AM   #9
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I'm not sure, I'll go check on my wifes purse............Sorry I couldn't resist.

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Old 09-03-2008, 09:28 AM   #10
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Not true if your not leaving the state pay attention to all of the "OR's" in this paragraph:

Page 35 of the regs:

Evidence of sex for deer and elk
which will NOT be taken out of
Oregon is: Either the animal’s scalp
(including attached EYES and ears if
the animal is female; OR ears, antlers
and EYES if the animal is male) OR the
head naturally attached to at least one
quarter of the carcass OR reproductive
organs (testicles, scrotum, *****, vulva,
udder, mammary) naturally attached to
one quarter of the carcass OR to another
major portion of meat as described
below for animals leaving the state of
Oregon.
The Eyes attached seems to be what is missed when boning out a game animal. They are as important as the proof of gender.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:59 AM   #11
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I'm not sure, I'll go check on my wifes purse............Sorry I couldn't resist.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:21 AM   #12
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I usually leave 1 nut on
+1, Just leave one attached and cut everything up that you want. I too would not be packing out a head that is just dead weight
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:37 AM   #13
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+1, Just leave one attached and cut everything up that you want. I too would not be packing out a head that is just dead weight

Same here..... I do every thing out there and just leave one on.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:42 AM   #14
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yes this new EYE requirement is a hassel, but if poachers where not killing elk a couple days before season starts on a regular basis, we legal hunters would not have to do this extra work. just remember, in oregon you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. THANKS POACHERS
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:12 PM   #15
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Not true if your not leaving the state pay attention to all of the "OR's" in this paragraph:

Page 35 of the regs:

Evidence of sex for deer and elk
which will NOT be taken out of
Oregon is: Either the animalís scalp
(including attached eyes and ears if
the animal is female; OR ears, antlers
and eyes if the animal is male) OR the
head naturally attached to at least one
quarter of the carcass OR reproductive
organs (testicles, scrotum, *****, vulva,
udder, mammary) naturally attached to
one quarter of the carcass OR to another
major portion of meat as described
below for animals leaving the state of
Oregon.
thanks for claifying this for me jeremy
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:18 PM   #16
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I usually leave the testes attached to a small piece of skin and leave the skin on a rear ham quarter shank (lower leg). I try and wrap it seperate in plastic so it does not spoil any meat it rubs into in the bag.

As soon as I shoot one, it is butchered on the spot, all 4 quarters hanging, the carcass boned out and hung in a bag, and the head cut off. Pack the head out with the tag on it and stash it in camp. Return with knives, more bags, and packframe. Bone the hanging quarters and start packing meat. No bone or bloodshot meat packed out. All the scraps and bones go back to the critters living in the woods, not in some urban landfill.

One tip I would give is carry a cheap 1 or 2 mil painters tarp with you. In addition to being a great survival shetler if needed, I open it up when butchering meat and use it as a clean surface to throw boned meat on, then bag it when done. When done butchering your elk, it also works to wrap the head up so blood does not drain down your neck packing the head back to camp....
That there could get you in trouble. The tag must stay with the largest portion of edible meat. You would be much better off writing the tag info on a piece of paper and put it with the head.
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