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Chromer
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: BEAVERTON
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I tried it in the water for the first time today. I wanted it to work so bad, but had problems.
It seemed that as soon as that knot got wet it wouldnt slide anymore. It seems like a great idea, maybee I am just messing it up somehow. Anyone else try these yet?
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Eagle Creek, OR
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I tried it today for the first time and it worked pretty well. I had the same problem when it was wet, but I was still able to adjust it enough to get it to work.
I would really like to see how they hold up after hooking a fish on the top hook. Soon, hopefully!
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Longview
Posts: 3,598
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I attended Terry Mulkeys Springer clinic at Bobs today and he wqas showcasing these things. He showed us that if you pull on the top hook it will not slide. He did have to manipulate the knot a bit to get it to slide. It looks like it would work great but I think I'll stick to my solid ties until I hear more about these.
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Steelhead
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Milwaukie, Or
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I used it for the first time a few day's ago, I love the thing!!! I had no problems adjusting, even after it got wet. I like to run Whole herring and cut-plug herring. It's nice to have the option of a slip mooch and fixed mooch! I will never go back to tying my own.
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Chromer
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: BEAVERTON
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I must be screwing it up somehow. I couldnt even budge the things after they were wet. Im not giving up yet though!
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Felony Flats, OR
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I'm trying mine out tomorrow for the first time. A guy at work was telling me about 'em. His kid works at GI Joe's and he really likes them, but some of his customers are having a hard time figuring them out.
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Steelhead
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: oregon city oregon
Posts: 459
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I still have my first set of hooks on,
I've gone 3-5 in February and it works great. ![]() Bill Jacks or Better |
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Tuna!
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dallas OR
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I believe if you scrunch they threads together, it will move easily. Kinda like a caterpillar moves.
When you have it positioned where you want it, stretch the threads out along the leader.
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Steelhead
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 187
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It is a very easy knot to tie. The only thing i dont like about them is that the bottom hook has a nasty little cutting edge eye. Try pushing on the top of the knot it will loosen it up enough to slide into place. Its like a chinese finger trap.
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Steelhead
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Milwaukie, Or
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This analogy should fix anyone that is having problems!!! I like to go back to when we where kids for this one and I know every kid at one pointe had a pair of these " Chinese Handcuffs"!!! Pull and they get tight, push them in and they get loose. The Boa works on that same principle. I hpoe this helps, it the best way I can describe the "Genius" of the Boa!!!
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Steelhead
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Vancouver, Washington
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I bought a bunch of these at the PNW Sportman's Show. I gotta agree with Chrome Steel. That bottom hook looks problematic. I can see how alot of pressue on the bottom hook could cut thru the knot that is tied against the edge of the hook "eye". I get the top hook to slide by grabbing the entire knot with my fingers and sliding it gently. Don't grab the hook and don't just grab part of the knot. Grab it all. I'm looking forward to actually landing a fish with one of these things. It's an ingenious idea.
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Chromer
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Salem, Or.
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Now that you all have me quite curious, can someone explain what a “Boa Rig” is? :whazzup: Maybe post a pic.
Please excuse my ignorance.
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Tuna!
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Felida boat ramp WA
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If somebody figures out how to tie the knot let me know. I would like to tie my own. I like them but I agree the bottom hook has sharp edges.
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Ifish Nate
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Troutdale, OR USA
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I did a google search for Owner boa rig and came up with a link to Cabela's page with a picture.
They claim they use 5 feet of kevlar thread to make one of these rigs! |
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Chromer
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Salem, Or.
Posts: 548
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Google, yes now I understand.
![]() I fished for springers with a guide on the Rogue a fews years back, he tied an adjustable/sliding top hook with waxed dental floss. I'm sure it's the same idea as the Boa but is quite a bit cheaper.
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Sturgeon
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Longview
Posts: 3,598
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Finfan, it's not the same knot. The slider with waxed thread will slide down to the bottom hook. With the boa, the top hook will not move even with a fish on. The knot is different and the inventors have a patent on the knot and they're not telling.
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Tuna!
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Portland OR,
Posts: 1,434
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I looked at the Boa rig and I can understand the principle just fine. It is similar to a few hitches I use as a Arborist. The first on is a Klemheist hitch and the other is a Prusik. I think the Klemheist hitch would work , although it may take a few more wraps because of the small diameter of the material used. I will be working on rigging one up to see if it will work.
Fishalot :smile:
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Chromer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Salem
Posts: 537
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Fishalot-
Darn. You let the secret out. :grin: no, it's good to share that stuff. It's the Klemheist pretty much, and like u said, u can defintely use more wraps. A buddy of mine knew the knot from the same application you mention, and we've been using it at Nehalem in late summer for few years...with some success. In my mind, Nehalem is one of the great fisheries to mess around with different stuff like that. Makes all in and out of it all fun.-Luis
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Tuna!
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Portland OR,
Posts: 1,434
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Sorry I let the cat out of the bag :tongue:
. Do you use the spectra line to tie the rig with ?.Fishalot :smile:
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