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Old 10-04-2012, 09:12 AM   #1
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I do not know what they want from these guys! One hit wonders are in, but a group that has been playing and touring for 40 years, not nominated.

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Deep Purple had a fair influence in music. I'd say they are deserving.
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Their voting / eligibility system makes no sense to me.

-Prince inducted before Lynyrd Skynyrd.
-The Talking Heads before AC/DC.
-Booker T and the M.G.'s before CCR.

The two main criteria are 1.) Having released a record at least 25 years prior to the induction date and 2.) Exhibiting 'musical excellence'.

Viewed this way, the three examples I list (and others) just make me scratch my head.
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Same with Rush and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk is a tad obscure and I was surprised to see them nominated, but I'd vote Rush and Deep Purple (well ok I voted for Kraftwerk too). It is really a shame that all the progressive rock bands, some of which are still touring, get no attention. Maybe with Rush getting a nod that will change, but great bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP just getting ignored is just as wrong as Cheap Trick.
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Rush should have been inducted in '95 if you ask me!!! They just keep pouring it on! The most unique and independant group evr, thats why they have not been inducted sooner.
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Rush should have been inducted in '95 if you ask me!!! They just keep pouring it on! The most unique and independant group evr, thats why they have not been inducted sooner.
Yeah that!

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Rush should have been inducted in '95 if you ask me!!! They just keep pouring it on! The most unique and independant group evr, thats why they have not been inducted sooner.


yes they should have.

but just look at where the RnR HOF is @......
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yes they should have.

but just look at where the RnR HOF is @......
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I do not know what they want from these guys! One hit wonders are in, but a group that has been playing and touring for 40 years, not nominated.

Quick, call the "Dream Police"


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I agree. Cheap T has been bangin hard forever. Makes no sense to me.

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Their voting / eligibility system makes no sense to me.

-Prince inducted before Lynyrd Skynyrd.
-The Talking Heads before AC/DC.
-Booker T and the M.G.'s before CCR.

The two main criteria are 1.) Having released a record at least 25 years prior to the induction date and 2.) Exhibiting 'musical excellence'.

Viewed this way, the three examples I list (and others) just make me scratch my head.
While I would never willingly listen to Prince and would surely turn up a Skynyrd song, I can almost see why that would happen. Prince is similar to Madonna in ability to transform and morph career/style and harnesses sheer marketing power that would likely broaden their influence base beyond a more niche-type band like Skynyrd, thereby getting prior notice in the HOF nomination process.

Now Rush not being there yet still confounds me...I'm not necessarily a big fan, but their talent, influence, contribution, and staying power is undeniable.

To OP - I am also wondering a bit about Cheap Trick's absence, though Deep Purple is certainly deserving.

To another previous poster, Genesis and Pink Floyd have already been inducted, though Yes also seems deserving and is missing.
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While we're on this subject...where's KISS?
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Their voting / eligibility system makes no sense to me.

-Prince inducted before Lynyrd Skynyrd.
-The Talking Heads before AC/DC.
-Booker T and the M.G.'s before CCR.

The two main criteria are 1.) Having released a record at least 25 years prior to the induction date and 2.) Exhibiting 'musical excellence'.

Viewed this way, the three examples I list (and others) just make me scratch my head.
Prince is the most talented of the musicians you've mentioned.

Additionally, the RR HOF is a joke and has been for ages.
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While we're on this subject...where's KISS?
Yawn...other than attempt to copy Alice Cooper and ride his coat tails, KISS really had little effect on Rock and Roll in the long run. Their music was mundane enough they needed to depend on appearances to be a hit. My take is that if you don't see how they are dressed and just listen to the music, their music is not deserving of the HOF. To keep the HOF as the premiere venue for music excellence, not every band is deserving to be inducted, even those with a big following and long time list of quality music. It should be only the most influential that get inducted. Though I despise Prince, there is little doubt that his music was and is influential to Rock and Roll. KISS, Cheap Trick, and others may have entertained millions for sure, but that alone isn't worthy to be HOF members.
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Prince is the most talented of the musicians you've mentioned.

Additionally, the RR HOF is a joke and has been for ages.

This. Lots of extremely talented and influential artists not even nominated for years by the "hall of fame".

More like the rollingstone magazine "we happen to like these guys better" hall.

Love to see Eddie Trunk get riled up about it. If you don't listen to or watch his show you should.
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Yawn...other than attempt to copy Alice Cooper and ride his coat tails, KISS really had little effect on Rock and Roll in the long run. Their music was mundane enough they needed to depend on appearances to be a hit. My take is that if you don't see how they are dressed and just listen to the music, their music is not deserving of the HOF. To keep the HOF as the premiere venue for music excellence, not every band is deserving to be inducted, even those with a big following and long time list of quality music. It should be only the most influential that get inducted. Though I despise Prince, there is little doubt that his music was and is influential to Rock and Roll. KISS, Cheap Trick, and others may have entertained millions for sure, but that alone isn't worthy to be HOF members.
I can see your point, but looking at the fact that the likes of Skynyrd and ZZ Top are there, I would argue they fall into the same as you describe; they are not necessarily influential, but mostly borrowing influences and merely have popularity going for them.
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Yawn...other than attempt to copy Alice Cooper and ride his coat tails, KISS really had little effect on Rock and Roll in the long run. Their music was mundane enough they needed to depend on appearances to be a hit. My take is that if you don't see how they are dressed and just listen to the music, their music is not deserving of the HOF. To keep the HOF as the premiere venue for music excellence, not every band is deserving to be inducted, even those with a big following and long time list of quality music. It should be only the most influential that get inducted. Though I despise Prince, there is little doubt that his music was and is influential to Rock and Roll. KISS, Cheap Trick, and others may have entertained millions for sure, but that alone isn't worthy to be HOF members.

I think if you look deeper you will find that KISS influenced a significant number of musicians through the years. Agreed, not the most technically proficient group of guys but they definitely had an impact on the world of rock and roll.
Glad to see Heart get the nom too.
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PRINCE!!!??? THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS TALENTED!!!!!!!????


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I can see your point, but looking at the fact that the likes of Skynyrd and ZZ Top are there, I would argue they fall into the same as you describe; they are not necessarily influential, but mostly borrowing influences and merely have popularity going for them.
I agree, I am both a ZZ Top and a Skynyrd fan but don't see them as HOF. GNR in my opinion is, Heart to me is a no. But as in the NFL and MLB HOF, it is probably best I don't get a vote
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I agree, I am both a ZZ Top and a Skynyrd fan but don't see them as HOF. GNR in my opinion is, Heart to me is a no. But as in the NFL and MLB HOF, it is probably best I don't get a vote
Well, it looks like we also agree with the part of your statement I highlighted.
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Prince bugs me, but the guy is talented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2tSGxGnJQ

His solo starts at 3:28

But he can't hold a candle to the master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J79Zo16VF2c&feature=fvst

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Prince is the most talented of the musicians you've mentioned.

Additionally, the RR HOF is a joke and has been for ages.
I agree with your assessment of Prince's musical ability, but by that standard Bernie Taupin and Yngwie Malmsteen should be mortal locks for enshrinement.
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I agree with your assessment of Prince's musical ability, but by that standard Bernie Taupin and Yngwie Malmsteen should be mortal locks for enshrinement.
When Bernie and Yngwie rack up ten platinum albums, thirty Top 40 hits, start their own recording studio and label, have their songs recorded by at least six other Top 40 artists, and have a cult classic film that grosses $80 million.....then you might have a point.

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Same with Rush and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk is a tad obscure and I was surprised to see them nominated, but I'd vote Rush and Deep Purple (well ok I voted for Kraftwerk too). It is really a shame that all the progressive rock bands, some of which are still touring, get no attention. Maybe with Rush getting a nod that will change, but great bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP just getting ignored is just as wrong as Cheap Trick.
Pink Floyd pioneered the use of synthesizers, you know back when they were the size of tractor trailers? and invented musique concrete a style of music based on recorded natural sounds mixed into orchectral arrangements.

Later they made the same arrangements using synthesized sounds that imitated the natural ones they started with.

Dark side of the moon was in the top 100 albums sold for over 10 years.

I'm not sure what Prince or the artist formerly talented enough to get noticed did exactly. I don't even have one of his tracks in my collection and never will.

Prince got in but PF did not? That burns.
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Pink Floyd pioneered the use of synthesizers, you know back when they were the size of tractor trailers? and invented musique concrete a style of music based on recorded natural sounds mixed into orchectral arrangements.

Later they made the same arrangements using synthesized sounds that imitated the natural ones they started with.

Dark side of the moon was in the top 100 albums sold for over 10 years.

I'm not sure what Prince or the artist formerly talented enough to get noticed did exactly. I don't even have one of his tracks in my collection and never will.

Prince got in but PF did not? That burns.

IIRC PF got in in '96

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I can understand why Cheap Trick didn't get in and I can understand why Prince got in. I don't understand why a band like Pink Floyd hasn't been inducted.

Cheap Trick is a very good band but they never did anything special. They have a few good songs but they never drove pop culture in any way. I'm not a fan of pop culture but a band really needs to make a statement worldwide and have an effect that drives trends. Prince did that, Cheap Trick was just another Rock and Roll band. They have a passionate yet small following.

The Talking Heads definitely deserve their spot. I remember seeing them at the Paramount in Portland when they were just starting. They were definitely different and they made a definite impact on the music world at the time. One of the ways to judge a bands impact with music is the amount of bands that copy the style. Prince and the Talking Heads spawned a plethora of bands imitating their style. Prince changed everything from music to hair styles, clothing, etc... It doesn't matter if you like his music or not, he belongs in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
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While we're at it, why not Chicago? Oh yeah, politics...somebody from Chicago said something about the H&F and apparently that's while they'll never make it in.

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IIRC PF got in in '96

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Prince changed everything from music to hair styles, clothing, etc... It doesn't matter if you like his music or not, he belongs in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Agreed. I don't care for Prince, but I would never argue against him having deserved a spot in the Hall of Fame; he certainly does.
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I thought is was cheesy before they inducted Madonna but after ? Forget it.

And to the guy that said KISS had little impact on Rock and Roll ? Yeah right !

They changed rock n roll - marketing , touring , sound systems , lighting , pyro , songs ( think of Beth and using orchestra on Destroyer , now everyone does it ) they changed the WHOLE industry. The same purist attitude that says KISS is a silly band is the same attitude that inducts these artsy fartsy and pop bands into the RRHF.

KISS was pure rock and roll. Look up KISS at Winterland SF on youtube and tell me they dont rock !
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I can understand why Cheap Trick didn't get in and I can understand why Prince got in. I don't understand why a band like Pink Floyd hasn't been inducted.

Cheap Trick is a very good band but they never did anything special. They have a few good songs but they never drove pop culture in any way. I'm not a fan of pop culture but a band really needs to make a statement worldwide and have an effect that drives trends. Prince did that, Cheap Trick was just another Rock and Roll band. They have a passionate yet small following.
I have to disagree with "they never did anything special". Not saying that Rick invented harmonics, but in 1976 Rick played this song called "Clock Strikes 10" and after the first riff was over there was thousands of Rock and Rollers saying how in the heck did he do that? Now just about everybody does it. What about Tom's 12 string guitar, nothing special there I guess, except the fact that it is a BASS guitar!! And I am pretty sure he did invent the 12 string BASS.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/9/prweb9932085.htm

Doing anything special, in my book they have done plenty.
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Well we all have opinions huh! Me--I seen Prince-and Talking Heads twice--both fantastic bands and put on a unreal show I'll never forget. But, I saw Cheap Trick twice also. Yes, they belong in the HOF. Great live band--and you cant say that about a lot of bands (can you Areosmith, Billy Idol...) I was a concert junkie when I was younger and have seen over 350 concerts--and my hearing is just fine-thank you!
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Same with Rush and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk is a tad obscure and I was surprised to see them nominated, but I'd vote Rush and Deep Purple (well ok I voted for Kraftwerk too). It is really a shame that all the progressive rock bands, some of which are still touring, get no attention. Maybe with Rush getting a nod that will change, but great bands like Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP just getting ignored is just as wrong as Cheap Trick.
I don't remember what year, but Genesis WAS inducted. ( Phish introduced them )

I couldn't agree more about Cheap Trick getting snubbed, though. I mean, come on, Guns n' Roses gets in, but they don't? Gimme a break, already.
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Clearly the Cheap Trick fans listened to them in their youth and have fond memories. Cheap Trick is one of the great rock bands? Really? I can't image them making the list of the top 20 rock bands of their era.
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they just seem a little weird.
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they just seem a little weird.
Must be that Indonesian junk that going around!


Rush should have been in there, long ago! Cheap Trick, as well!
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:10 PM   #40
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Rush is an absolute no brainer, but today I got a Triumph song stuck in my head, and was thinking about this thread. What about That other Canadian Power trio? Probably not in the influential category, but some righeously rocking music there
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i think heart and kiss were way bigger then rush. way more hits.. but i never liked rush,,,if they were so good then why arent they in yet? they have been around for ever,
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All this HOF talk makes me wonder why the Bay City Rollers aren't in, some kind of bias I suppose against the Scots I suppose.
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i think heart and kiss were way bigger then rush. way more hits.. but i never liked rush,,,if they were so good then why arent they in yet? they have been around for ever,
KISS was a bigger spectacle but not a better band, and Heart can't hold Rush's dirty sweat socks.

Heart is playing county fairs and Rush is still selling out big venues.

It speaks to the irrelevancy of the R&R HOF that Rush is not in.


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KISS was a bigger spectacle but not a better band, and Heart can't hold Rush's dirty sweat socks.

Heart is playing county fairs and Rush is still selling out big venues.

It speaks to the irrelevancy of the R&R HOF that Rush is not in.


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Exactly. KISS was known more for their showmanship than their music. Few can remember, much less name their songs but everyone remembers the makeup, blood, and pyrotechnics. Not HOF material.

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Maybe you need to know more than 3 chords and sporty fingering.
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When Bernie and Yngwie rack up ten platinum albums, thirty Top 40 hits, start their own recording studio and label, have their songs recorded by at least six other Top 40 artists, and have a cult classic film that grosses $80 million.....then you might have a point.

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I absolutely, positively agree that Prince is worthy of induction. But the comparison initiated was musical ability, not sales.

I don't think Prince is the songwriter that Bernie Taupin is, or the guitarist that Malmsteen is (although while Prince is not often thought of as a great guitarist, he should be).

My hang-up is that I would think that the order of induction has some meaning. By that measure, it just felt to me like some performers should have been acknowledged before others.

I mean...Elvis Costello and the Attractions before Skynyrd? Should Elvis Costello get in before George Thorogood and the Destroyers? (Just kidding. Probably. I guess.)
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The arguments are seemingly very post modern and PC, why just let any band that sold an album in? I use to think that only the best and influential should be in the HOF.
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The arguments are seemingly very post modern and PC, why just let any band that sold an album in? I use to think that only the best and influential should be in the HOF.

I can see where you are coming from and I tend to agree. But since the HOF will let in any old band, then on that note Cheap Trick is more than worthy on several levels.
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I can see where you are coming from and I tend to agree. But since the HOF will let in any old band, then on that note Cheap Trick is more than worthy on several levels.
Oh come on now, it's not like they let in the Dave Clark Five or R.E.M. ....................eh......oopps, I guess they did my bad. You win
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As was stated erlier, why not CHICAGO
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FYI Link to bands in R&R HOF http://rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical/
No Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but they were probably just local flashes in the pan anyway
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No Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but they were probably just local flashes in the pan anyway


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They (CT), should be in there for sure. Kiss not being in there makes little sense. And I see some inductees that make even less sense when it comes to rock n roll.

Kiss shows are awesome and trust me, there are plenty of us Kiss fans out there, we just don't need to speak, let the music play. But we all like what we like and we can't like everything. Was that namby pamby enough to suit everyone?
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As was stated erlier, why not CHICAGO
Not even intelligent enough to clean a gun properly. Heard one Chicago song heard them all.
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Hall & Oates I can sorta see, you just have to turn your head a little to the left and angle your eyes just right. They actually had some pretty good work in the 70's, ignore most of the 80's crap.

LL not so much.

Stupid hall of fame is stupid. Can't believe Deep Purple or Kiss isn't already in, just shows it's a bunch of idiots running it.
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The reason is they lived up to the bands name, "Cheap Trick"

Heck I don't know I doubt if I have ever heard them as I don't listen to there type of so called music.
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At least Yes got nominated. If they get in I hope everyone that ever played in the band gets an invite but my guess is Chris won't let that happen.
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ll cool j

must be a new definition of rock and roll
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