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Old 06-27-2012, 01:34 PM   #1
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That was a nice contract for someone!

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Old 06-27-2012, 01:44 PM   #2
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I'll bet you at least 50% of that went to consultants for design and permitting.

Looks nice!
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:46 PM   #3
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So a 65k fish cleaning station makes sense?
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:01 PM   #4
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What do cinder blocks cost these days? I must be way out of touch with reality.
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I'm sure the cost of the barge went into that figure.


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I can't wait until one of the giant sea lions decides he wants to get the scraps out of the barge!
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:55 PM   #7
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That was a nice contract for someone!

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2012/June/062612b.asp
Well I was trying to keep to myself, not toot my horn etc..

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:20 PM   #8
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Most material and labor was local. Good enough for me and about time.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:36 PM   #9
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Port of Ilwaco are you seeing this?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:40 PM   #10
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That was a nice contract for someone!


Shoot, Bait Bucket...I thought you were gonna tell us about another one of your great finds at Goodwill!
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I'll bet you at least 50% of that went to consultants for design and permitting.

Looks nice!
It may have. A lot of public design and permitting work goes to consultants.

I agree, it looks nice.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:57 PM   #12
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I don't care what it cost or how it got there, its there and I'll be using it in august way better than cleaning my fish on my tailgate
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:19 PM   #13
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$406.25 per square foot.

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Old 06-27-2012, 09:08 PM   #14
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That was probably just construction costs. Most folks have no clue what it costs to build things when you're a public agency. Things like ADA and prevailing wages add up.... But what do I know....

People will complain even if it were free.
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Yet we can't clean fish and dump the guts in the river
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:55 AM   #16
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What I don't understand is why would any fisherman complain about this? This facility was constructed for FISHERMEN! I am employed by a company that does a lot of fish related work. Including building small barges. And, having a cutom built barge alone comes with a pretty high price tag. $130,000 total cost for this facility seems pretty reasonable to me. Plus, most materials and labor were local. All good to me.
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What I don't understand is why would any fisherman complain about this? This facility was constructed for FISHERMEN! I am employed by a company that does a lot of fish related work. Including building small barges. And, having a cutom built barge alone comes with a pretty high price tag. $130,000 total cost for this facility seems pretty reasonable to me. Plus, most materials and labor were local. All good to me.
Reread every post above. Show me a complaint. I can't find one.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:24 AM   #18
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I interpreted these as a complaint on the cost of the project. "What do cinder blocks cost these days? I must be way out of touch with reality". "So a 65k fish cleaning station makes sense"? Perhaps I interpreted wrong. I retract my previous statement if thats not what they meant.

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I would estimate the majority of the cost went to the guys who constructed it so they could all make their boat payments.
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I interpreted these as a complaint on the cost of the project. "What do cinder blocks cost these days? I must be way out of touch with reality". "So a 65k fish cleaning station makes sense"? Perhaps I interpreted wrong. I retract my previous statement if thats not what they meant.
No biggie. I think everyone knows there is a need for a cleaning station there. Perhaps it will rid the two ramp of salmon carcs in Aug/Sep.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:59 AM   #21
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I would estimate the majority of the cost went to the guys who constructed it so they could all make their boat payments.
Yes. It's called prevailing wages since it's a public project over $50k and it's the law.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:12 AM   #22
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Sounds nice! $130K isn't all that much, they probably have $10K+ in that Honda outboard. Then you add on:
  • ADA-accessible structure
  • Room for several anglers
  • Large aluminum fish cleaning table
  • Teflon cutting boards
  • Overhead lights
  • Spray nozzles
  • Waste receptacles
  • Drop chute for delivering fish waste
  • Barge has a 2,500-gallon hold




The only thing that raises my eyebrow is that the barge's hold is propped open. What's to keep seagulls from turning the barge into an all-you-can-eat buffet, thereby turning that dock into a bombing zone for pedestrians?
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thats quite a drop for the fish chute. I bet that thing is skankified within a year. hahahahahahaha
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:58 AM   #24
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A 12 gauge?????
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:59 AM   #25
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Or wait 'til a big ole tule head gets stuck in that chute. hee hee.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:10 AM   #26
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What I don't understand is why would any fisherman complain about this? This facility was constructed for FISHERMEN! I am employed by a company that does a lot of fish related work. Including building small barges. And, having a cutom built barge alone comes with a pretty high price tag. $130,000 total cost for this facility seems pretty reasonable to me. Plus, most materials and labor were local. All good to me.
A entity with no money spent $130,000.00 on a 16x20 fish cleaning station. When you constantly complain about a budget crisis, and then you spend $130,000.00 on a fish cleaning station, I'm unwilling to believe that the budget crisis is that bad.

So yes, you were correct in interpreting my post as a complaint. I think it's asinine. I also think all the posts pointing out why it costs double/triple/quadruple (insert your multiplier here) for the government for build something are also asinine. I’m not saying they are not correct, I’m just saying all of them contribute to the problem, not the solution.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:31 AM   #27
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If it costs 130k for a roof, a stainless table, some overhead sprayers and a place to drain it.......maybe you don't need it.

It's too far to run to the ocean for 95% of boaters. Sturgies are gonna shut down soon (Not for the season. Total closure of retention. Until they rebound.....which will take years). So you got B10 for the last 10-15 days of August, maybe a few tuna guys, and a tiny percentage of ocean salmon & bottomfish.

It's not that it's a bad idea. It's poor judgement. Can you justify spending 130k on a fish cleaning station that will see less than a month a year of peak use?
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:41 AM   #28
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Why does Astoria get one and we (at Garibaldi) don't? I want one, too!
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Look inside the outhouse looking building by the transient docks in Garibaldi. Inside you will find a spiffy fish cleaning station.
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Look inside the outhouse looking building by the transient docks in Garibaldi. Inside you will find a spiffy fish cleaning station.
Really??? I'll have to check it out.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:48 AM   #31
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I think there are also showers and a head next door.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:51 AM   #32
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I think there are also showers and a head next door.
Now that would be way kewl. Even better if they have beds for rent - like a hostel or whatever them is.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:54 AM   #33
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If it costs 130k for a roof, a stainless table, some overhead sprayers and a place to drain it.......maybe you don't need it.

It's too far to run to the ocean for 95% of boaters. Sturgies are gonna shut down soon (Not for the season. Total closure of retention. Until they rebound.....which will take years). So you got B10 for the last 10-15 days of August, maybe a few tuna guys, and a tiny percentage of ocean salmon & bottomfish.

It's not that it's a bad idea. It's poor judgement. Can you justify spending 130k on a fish cleaning station that will see less than a month a year of peak use?
Also concrete, CMU, rebar, piles, door/windows, steel, electrical, plumbing, mechanical, floor treatment, carpentry, etc; all done at prevailing wage. Not to mention management to schedule everyting, deal with permitting, process shop drawings and other submittals. 130K really doesn't seem too bad at all. When you factor in the millions of dollars sport fishing brings into the local economy down there it sounds like a great investment to me.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:04 AM   #34
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Last time I was at Garibaldi they had a pretty nice indoor facility. It gets a little crowded, but better than a lot of places.

I agree with Flatfish, it seems like a waste of resources. That ramp will see some heavy action for a couple weeks if the salmon bite is going strong around the shipwreck or above tongue point, but other than that, the east basin seems more like a commercial port than sport.

It would have seemed like a better idea to triple the size of the Hammond facility and put in a disposal/macerator like at Garibaldi.

Also, the parking and launch facility at east basin really becomes a zoo once more than a couple dozen rigs show up there. The launch is only two lanes wide and most folks seem to struggle to figure out how to back-down that ramp and launch/retrieve their vessel. If people clog the travel lanes with trucks/trailers up there like they do at Hammond, it should be real fun.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:02 PM   #35
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A entity with no money spent $130,000.00 on a 16x20 fish cleaning station. When you constantly complain about a budget crisis, and then you spend $130,000.00 on a fish cleaning station, I'm unwilling to believe that the budget crisis is that bad.
Which entity would that be?

Port of Astoria - $55,000
Federal Aid in Sport Fish Restoration Program - $46,875
Restoration & Enhancement (ODFW) - $11,625

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Also found a reference to Oregon Wildlife kicking in another $7500
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:29 PM   #36
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Thanks Loper for providing some clarity on this subject.

Now for a tangent....

The R&E Grant Application noted; "A cleaner East End boat ramp/basin is anticipated as the fish remains from this facility will be returned to the river for nutrient enrichment. These marine derived nutrients are essential to the food webs of the lower river/estuary that are critical to rearing salmonids and a host of other species that are dependent on the Columbia river/estuary environment."

So why again can't we dump carcs Oregon?
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Thanks Loper for providing some clarity on this subject.

Now for a tangent....

The R&E Grant Application noted; "A cleaner East End boat ramp/basin is anticipated as the fish remains from this facility will be returned to the river for nutrient enrichment. These marine derived nutrients are essential to the food webs of the lower river/estuary that are critical to rearing salmonids and a host of other species that are dependent on the Columbia river/estuary environment."

So why again can't we dump carcs Oregon?
It's not that you can't dump carks in the waters of Oregon. I read that they had to pay for and obtain a permit from EPA or Water Quality (some government agency) in order to do so. That suggests that as long as some money changes hands that perhaps science can go by the wayside. Everyone can agree to get along when they get to put their hand in the cookie jar so to speak. I'll admit that this is only my interpretation of what is going on and that I am all for more sport fishing and recreation facilities through out Oregon and Washington.
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When will Oregon learn from Washington..

Fillet your fish at boat ramp/docks and chuck carcasses into the river. Take that 130K and make more hatchery fish and give the willamette a 2 rod license!
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Fillet your fish at boat ramp/docks and chuck carcasses into the river. Take that 130K and make more hatchery fish and give the willamette a 2 rod license!
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:25 PM   #41
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WOW!!!! 2500lbs of chum.
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Oh god all i can think about is how bad its going to stink in there ! a few hot days in the sun and that room is going to stink bad with only the small vents it has ! and are they going to maintan it like they do everything else ! if that pipe plugs everyone will just throw it on the floor and there will be a huge pile of nasty just like local dumpsters !
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:06 PM   #43
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:27 PM   #44
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I'll complain. At $406.25/square foot it should have been made of hand hewn marble stone with bas relief carvings on the walls of indigenous people catching the first salmon. An audio video center should have been included with videos of Julia Child showing the French technique for fileting salmon. The chandelier over the cleaning table should have included at least some semi-precious jewels, preferably diamonds. Those are just a few of the little niceties that one should expect for such a price.

Seriously, look at home prices after subtracting the cost of land, and we're talking about mansion-type pricing.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:11 PM   #45
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$406.25 is not an accurate cost per square foot... You are simply taking the $130,000 price tag and dividing it by the square footage of the building. I would bet the barge was nearly half the price tag on this one.... Plus, a new ladder and a small dock added into the mix...
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My math is like this:
Budget $ 130,000
Design -$ 35,000
Environmental Docs -$ 25,000
Boat & Motor -$ 40,000

Building cost $26,000

I would ask who pays the bill for cleaning the station from not only fish cleaning but transients, graffiti and damage. I would assume that being nice and dry this will become the local dope spot based on what I see are some of the folks you encounter along the path this sits next to. Maybe the port should consider a camera system inside, it could help keep.

I should add that if this was paid from the launch fees I like my money used to enhance the facility I'm using not going towards wages or unconnected funding.
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:56 PM   #47
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I am sure there are some seriously raised eyebrows at 20% of the budget going for 'environmental documents'. Being in the river restoration design and permitting business, I think they got a good deal if they got away with that little.

ODFW, NOAA (Fisheries) (biological opinion & defense thereof), Corps, Archeological investigation, Coast Guard likely for barge permit & operation, Port planning, City planning, City building permits/inspection --- just to name a few and I am sure I missed a couple

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BEWARE..the city is now charging for launch fees! I didn't have a clue and got a $25.00 ticket...my fault...i will pay the fine.

I wonder why there was no local announcement. Seems like all were set up for failure to gain extra revenue threw heavy handed enforcement.

If better signage coupled with local announcement... Word would spread and most would pay... but today i saw every other truck with a ticket under a windshield wiper.

To the two guides cussing in the parking lot after finding a ticket i say i agree 100% with your frustrations. U bring more revenue to the city than the launch fee. I know you, like I, would have paid the fee... IF WE HAD SOME NOTICE!

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Old 07-01-2012, 04:26 PM   #49
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I figured it was about time. The ramp got popular over the last few years. Eight, nine years ago the parking lot was nearly empty during B-10 season.

Could you find a pay station anywhere there?
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Oh yea. The pay station is well marked.

It was totally my fault for not seeing it. ... the thing that irked me was i had no idea so i didnt look for it.

Ive launched there since 91. It was second nature for me to just blindly walk to my boat after parking.

seems like heavy handed enforcement to gain revenue and pay off the 130k ...instead of taking a more understanding approach.

I would imagine 99% of those who got tickets today would have paid but were in the same train of thought as me.....launch and walk blindly back to the boat thinking of sturgeon!

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Old 07-01-2012, 05:43 PM   #51
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:04 AM   #52
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I checked out the new facility yesterday. Looked nice through the windows. It was locked up and only open during the "Spring through Fall Fisheries."

Further, they chipped/tarred/marked the adjacent mud hole parking lot and installed two pay stations.


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Old 07-08-2012, 06:15 AM   #53
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That is 1 cool looking fish cleaning station
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:26 AM   #54
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Fish cleaning stations can be paid for with Federal Aid to Sport Fisheries funds, more specifically the money comes from motor boat fuel taxes. These funds have built ramps, docks, parking lots, break waters to protect docks and ramps, and even fish cleaning stations all across the nation.

So there is a good chance the launch fee was not the entire funding source (or possibly none of the funding source).

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Old 07-08-2012, 11:40 AM   #55
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Fish cleaning stations can be paid for with Federal Aid to Sport Fisheries funds, more specifically the money comes from motor boat fuel taxes. These funds have built ramps, docks, parking lots, break waters to protect docks and ramps, and even fish cleaning stations all across the nation.

So there is a good chance the launch fee was not the entire funding source (or possibly none of the funding source).

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Old 07-08-2012, 11:43 AM   #56
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I love fishing!!
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:48 AM   #57
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Thanks BaitBucket.

Not sure if they are listed in any particular order but Federal Aid in Sport Fisheries Restoration (which the motor boat fuel tax is part of) is at the top of the list. And, it appears the Port of Astoria did help fund the project, so maybe the launch fee is part of the funding??

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Old 07-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #58
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WOW..........prevailing wage and OPM ( other peoples money )
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #59
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Which entity would that be?

Port of Astoria - $55,000
Federal Aid in Sport Fish Restoration Program - $46,875
Restoration & Enhancement (ODFW) - $11,625

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Also found a reference to Oregon Wildlife kicking in another $7500
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:03 PM   #60
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looks like a real nice sea lion feeding station to me Cant wait for them to get the scent of that fish
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