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Old 10-09-2010, 04:19 PM   #1
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Kyle Bauer’s Bull Elk was officially measured by SCI and Trophy Game Records (TGR) Officials, and came out at a whopping 504 5/8 inches SCI becoming the new pending Estate Typical World Record Rocky Mountain Elk taken with a rifle, and 1177.4 centimeters with Trophy Game Records of the World as the largest Elk ever recorded.

The “Lightning Bull” will now be honored as a Diamond Trophy (largest ever taken for that species and method of hunting) for both the SCI and TGR Record Books this coming year.

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Old 10-09-2010, 04:54 PM   #2
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Geez. What state?
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High Fence Bull / farm bull ?
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Old 10-09-2010, 05:36 PM   #6
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When SCI is involved, it's a dead giveaway for a high fence animal. It was taken on Texas......google it if interested.
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This is just wrong on so many levels......

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Hunter on Texas Game Ranch Bags Possible 'World-Record' Elk


A potential "world-record" elk has been taken on a Texas game ranch.

From this story in Lone Star Outdoor News:
Texas Hunt Lodge client, Kyle Bauer, took the new World Record Estate Rocky Mountain Elk this weekend. Kyle Bauer and his 16 yr old son, Zach, of Humble, TX booked the hunt with Guide and Texas Hunt Lodge owner, Aaron Bulkley, back in early April. The hunt took place on Friday and Saturday on the Las Catarinas Ranch in northwest Kerr County. The first evening out, Friday, Guides Dennis Kneese and Aaron Bulkley were able to get the clients in front of plenty of big Elk ranging from 350 to 440 inches, but we needed to see the “Lightning Bull” before we let Kyle make up his mind. The Guides had named this giant 8x9 Bull Elk the “Lightning Bull” as the only time you caught a glimpse of him was when he busted out of the trees running full steam ahead, therefore no one actually knew how big he was going to be.
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Musta been like shooting a domestic cow.
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Old 10-09-2010, 05:50 PM   #9
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Not at all impressed.
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Not at all impressed.

My thoughts exactly.

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Old 10-09-2010, 05:59 PM   #11
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nice elk ,geat pic .. have to ask, why so many jealous people always putting down someones pics why
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Old 10-09-2010, 06:20 PM   #12
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While not my cup of tea, I wont bash someone for taking an animal this way. Hunters walk a fine line when bashing another group they dont like or respect. I know some african hunts are canned but I choose not to bash them.
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Does it mean something different that it is the "Estate" world record?
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Old 10-09-2010, 06:29 PM   #14
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The quote clearly indicates...

The “Lightning Bull” will now be honored as a Diamond Trophy (largest ever taken for that species and method of hunting) for both the SCI and TGR Record Books this coming year.

It would seem that the underlined phrase above clearly qualifies the method. There are many methods lawfully utilized in America today, if it isn't your cup of tea, doesn't mean it's not anothers.

It is, however, a magnificant animal...regardless.
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For the record,,,,,The buckhunter on F & S's link is not me. BH
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So now we have a special record book for high-fenced, genetically enhanced,farm raised Estate animals? Not impressed at all,but to each his own.
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You can tell by looking at the animal that is isn't a natural one.

I wouldn't be surprised if that guy paid in the WAY-upper five figures to shoot that animal. Six figures wouldn't even surprise me, seeing as I've seen high fence, Record-Rack fed deer going for over $30,000.
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I know some african hunts are canned but I choose not to bash them.
I was under the impression that most of the African hunts were high fence.....at least in South Africa, anyways.
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nice elk ,geat pic .. have to ask, why so many jealous people always putting down someones pics why
The "jealous" argument has been thrown down. Way off base, not even close to the issue many have with animals taken in that manner.
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Old 10-09-2010, 07:56 PM   #21
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I'm not jealous. I've shot a couple different types of moo cow while they were eating grain in a pasture. Same thing.

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Definetly interesting to see how big a bull elk can get...but it leads me to thinking...

Is there a SCI classification for moo cows? Would be interested to see just how big an Angus can get.

Bad me.

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Old 10-09-2010, 08:06 PM   #23
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I could care less if they high fence hunt. However its not very sporting in my opinion. If it is good for them...so be it.

I also would never fish the stocker trout pond at the Portland sportman show regarless of the size of the fish.
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If he ever got outta that fence and I was on the other side I know I'd let an arrow fly. Wouldn't spend 4 figs much less 6 to do it (heck, I can barely afford a resident oregon elk tag!) though. Not my cup of tea, but for those who can and those who need to, have at it. I don't see any problem with it and since they don't score in the same category as fair chase, I don't feel like it threatens my sport.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:28 PM   #25
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Nothing wrong with killing farm animals to eat but when they start calling it hunting we all look like fools. This should be on the Life in General board just like somebody killing their chickens.
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To me (please note those two words), "high fence" is the antithesis of "fair chase."

Not only would I not pay for such a hunt, I would be unlikely to accept payment to be part of such a hunt.

If the high fence enclosed a huge ranch, on which the animals lived as if no fence existed, I would feel differently.

I don't shoot livestock.

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I am an Oregon native, but I was involved in guiding on ranches in Texas. Let me offer the following: This elk is in no way anything akin to a wild or free ranging animal. The assertion that it would be like shooting the neighbors milk cow is spot on. They are behind high fence, fed supplemental feed and other enhancements, and they are selectively bred. The one key element when guiding for elk was to be careful about involved approaching too close when you spot them. They were conditioned to associate vehicles with the daily food delivery (deer pellets etc...) and if you approached too close they would head toward the truck. It was like a charade. You had to stay back and act intensely excited like it was a 'real' game animal and encourage the hunter to get into action before they moved off (which wasn't going to happen). The hunters generally went along with the charade too because they had to know what the deal was. You would need no more than your lunch hour to kill this bull. There is a reasonable chance that he had already been fed into a pen with a chute etc.....and measured before hand so they could establish a price. Then the hotshot with the deep pockets that wants to participate in this nonsense pretty much knows exactly what he 'purchase' before he ever left for the ranch. If someone either thought or knew this was going to be a world record of some kind the price would be pretty steep. The guide would know exactly where he was within reason and then it would be just a matter of letting the air of him. The hunts that were filmed when I was there were mostly ridiculous recreations.

I recall one instance when I was there where a recognizable name in the exotic hunting world arranged for a giant pen-raised sprangle-horned whitetail to be transported from one of the northern states to a ranch in south Texas so it could be harvested and declared the 'new' Texas state record. It actually made the paper as such until someone put two and two together, realized where it actually came from, and that it was transported during an open season for whitetail and therefore a violation of the federal Lacey Act. The guys transporting it and the "guide" all got there butts in a ringer but they didn't really care as most people never read the follow-up articles and the new record deer was associated with this 'guide' and increased his business. There is semi-legitimate fair chase hunting behind high fence down there, but I can guarantee that this bull was nothing more than a farm animal. One time I watched an organized cougar hunt with dogs in an area where there weren't even cougars. No one noticed that the hair was rubbed off part of the tail from being in a cage for a long time, but the guy was given an award for the largest cougar taken with a handgun and got his picture in a publication. Give me a big break, but if you think about it, what would you expect from Texas.
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Who cares how or where. I had no idea an elk can get that big.
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Old 10-10-2010, 05:11 AM   #30
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We need to find out the feed of this guy and intro into our forests !
DO these hunts pay by pound, inches, points ?

Mighty thick for sure.

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Good thing hunting/shooting isn't an Olympic sport, this animal would never pass a random urinalysis !! Impressive antler growth. Not my cup of tea.
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Wow what a trophy! The hunter should be so proud to have the highly developed wallet needed to harvest such a big bull!

I'm more impressed with the guys that grow 1000lb punkins than some bull that has been grain feed and probably given growth stimulants.

I'm sure it was a real challenge to get him in the scope. I think it's ok for people to farm elk for food but don't brag about shooting them. It makes all hunters look stupid and is in no way remotely close to taking a wild animal.
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Not at all impressed.

Me neither, but I'm glad the guy is happy. There are a whole society of sportsman who consider this hunting. The vast majority of them have big money. I am glad to have them on our side, regardless of the fact I have no interest in their persuits, conquests, or estate record books.
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Like catching a 30 pound bass in a stocked private pond.
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Who cares how or where. I had no idea an elk can get that big.


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nice elk ,geat pic .. have to ask, why so many jealous people always putting down someones pics why
Why would you think people are jealous, the fact is anyone with the money to pay to hunt behind the fence could of had that bull.
My point would be, why post pictures of it as if it is a big accomplishment.


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The animal is huge and beautiful nobody disputes that.
Is it anything that any of us would brag about? No.
You could finance a monkey with enough money and the monkey could have killed it. Any person with the money could have had that at any time.
Any person with average intelligence would know that is not hunting any more than bragging about a fish caught in a bucket would be fishing.
The man has something that nobody (including us) has, a giant to mount.
But........if any of us had 100 dollars more than the bid he made to shoot it, we would be the one with the mount.
I look at it the same way I do money, if a person wins a million bucks on a slot machine he is a millionaire no matter how he got the money.
I personally don't care if any person wants to shoot the beef cow they get their steaks from, just don't equate that type of thing to how I hunt.
There are a million different opinions on these subjects and only one is mine and the only one I control or want to control.
Different strokes for different folks.
Do I think this man that shot that money elk is less of a man than a man who walks miles to find one, no.
Does it really matter what any of us think, only to you.
Will there be more "records" bought? Sure there will.
His record like most others is only a piece of paper and a plaque he hangs under it on the wall. His was bought, our way of taking records boils down to researching areas and habits and a whole lot of luck, you can't buy luck it just picks us randomly.
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I just think it's funny that people will pay 4-10k to be like me
no disrespect to the bull cause it is what it is .But that prolly city slicker type pulled off his three piece suit slapped on some camo tore the new tags off and when out and got a great bull with prolly very little effort . IMO it just goes to show" who the real hunters are" who can go after their game on public land with other hunters crawling all over the place and consistantly bag trophy class animals . Why even bother keeping track of high fence records thats kinda the same as the blue ribbon at the fair for growing the fattest pig aint it ? sorry for being MR. neg once again i guess it's partly cause i'll never save enough to hunt AZ or new mexico myself .
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I just think it's funny that people will pay 4-10k to be like me

That guy paid 5 figures for that animal guaranteed. I've seen genetically-engineered non-typical whitetails advertised for $50,000.
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would take a spike on public property any day over that. maybe even just a month in the elk woods.
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:45 PM   #42
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Hey ! That looks like the Elk I missed last month over at Heppner....
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would take a spike on public property any day over that. maybe even just a month in the elk woods.
And you will have worked harder for it than he did On another note with the supplement feed and possible hormones it probably wouldnt be as healthy to eat as a wild one. And that is the main reason I eat wild game.
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LOL I just looked at their site...

501"-544" Trophy Fee - $35,000

Who wants to beat the new record? It will only cost you $35,000...
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with the supplement feed and possible hormones it probably wouldnt be as healthy to eat as a wild one. And that is the main reason I eat wild game.

I wonder if that guy is going to eat any of that animal?
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Old 10-10-2010, 07:05 PM   #47
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Very nice bull, regardless of the the fact that it may have been taken on a high fenced operation. If you have the money to pay the outragious fees that some outfitters and land owners charge, all the more power to you. I my opinion only free range animals should be allowed into the record book, sort of disrespectful to both the hunter and the animal that he or she took , in a wild and free enviroment. Maybe there should be a seperate catagory in the record book, for animals that come from a high fenced ranches.
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I was under the impression that most of the African hunts were high fence.....at least in South Africa, anyways.
Not always the case. My son just just returned from a fair chase no high fence hunt joined by Jason Hornaday , S&W , Thompson Ctr , and some optics folks with Crusader Safaris in E Cape of SA that will come soon to your favorite channel.

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Old 10-10-2010, 09:03 PM   #49
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LOL I just looked at their site...

501"-544" Trophy Fee - $35,000

Who wants to beat the new record? It will only cost you $35,000...
I'd rather buy a new pickup truck and take the chance that I'll hit an elk that big. If not, that's cool. Still got the truck.
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:27 PM   #50
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Just curious, Does a Fenced ELK taste the same as a free Range Wild Elk?

Does it taste better because he supposedly paid big $$ to shoot it?

Just curious.


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Old 10-11-2010, 07:36 AM   #51
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Hey ! That looks like the Elk I missed last month over at Heppner....
East Hebo elk travel a LONG ways from summer to winter range !!
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Old 10-11-2010, 08:11 AM   #52
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East Hebo elk travel a LONG ways from summer to winter range !!
massive antlers but he can have it....I'd rather hunt public land and shoot a spike than to pay BIG $ and hunt behind fences!!!
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Old 10-11-2010, 08:43 AM   #53
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If I had enough money to where it really wasnt ANY skin off my you know what to do something like this, I would.....why not! Given the opportunity, many (not all) that say they wouldnt, would jump on it in a heartbeat. I wouldnt brag about it like I worked hard for it or even act like I was a good hunter.......... This type of stuff is not going away, you will probably see more and more of it as time goes on.

If you really think about it, there are lots of situations with hunting and fishing that can be compared to this. Maybe not as extreme...........but there are some double standards! Lots of private/paid access only, feeders, food plots, supplements, etc. etc. etc......... You see "pro" hunters on tv every day and most of the time they are hunting under these conditions. Lets exclude anything taken on private property, around food plots, feeders, anything given any type of supplements (even minerals), etc. from normal records books as well.

For me, something smaller killed in a true "fair chase" situations would mean much more as well............not arguing with that. It probably would to the guy that shot this one!

Oh, and that thing is huge!!! Even if it is just a freak of nature.........
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:19 AM   #54
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Can you imagine finding some sheds off a beast like that? I'd charge good money to allow osulogger and wheels to come LOOK at them, actually touching would be extra $$$.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:42 AM   #55
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Ive seen that they grow some pretty big bulls in the enclosures at the zoo. Maybe some day theyll open a season on them, so i can get myself a world record!

Its an impressive animal, BUT not at all impressed with the hunter or his "record"..
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:27 AM   #56
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Did it have a bell on its neck?
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:48 AM   #57
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nice elk ,geat pic .. have to ask, why so many jealous people always putting down someones pics why
Public land hunters earn my praise and respect...
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:14 PM   #58
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All that animal is, is a testament to the breeding and feeding program on the ranch.

Thats all any of the "SCI Estate" record animals are.

I just hope they froze a fair amount of semen from that big boy to keep the breeding program going. Would be bad to loose those genetics I think.

I cant fault the guy for buying a speciman like that. Guys buy fast horses, big pigs, big bulls, wooley sheep, ect........ for big bucks all the time.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:39 PM   #59
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... is a testament to the breeding and feeding program on the ranch.
That was my reaction as well. The person who should be proud is the guy in charge of “raising” this animal. Right or wrong, that’s his job and he’s raised one bigger than the rest of his competition (I’ve tried to do that with pumpkins - still haven't gotten a 300 class pumpkin).

It doesn’t look like a real elk to me either, but I suspect that doesn't matter, its all about the “inches” in this line of work.
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