See this?

[Bill Monroe]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...90630568065700

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...90630568065700

Bill,

How does this make YOU feel? You put the fish on the table but offer no comment or opinion? Care to go on record and share your thoughts on how a colleague/sports writer in a town with 1 1/2 newspapers writes this? How does it make you feel when you see this?

Regards,

Jim O'Leary

[CombinationLicense]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...90630568065700

Thanks for posting the article Bill. This should open people's eyes to the fact that that anti's will seize any and every opportunity to further their agenda. I stopped reading all the local area papers years ago because I don't agree with their political slant. In fact, once I identify a business or person as unfriendly to my way of life they basically cease to exist and I don't associate with them except by necessity.

"CL"

[Limbhanger]

I know how it makes me feel........furious.

Bill, please write a pro hunting article that outlines responsible hunting, conservation and what it means to wildlife. Throw in some sound examples. After all, if it wasnt for sound conservation minded efforts Mr. Jaynes would not have as many opportunities to even see the harmless and defenseless creatures of the forest.......GRRR.

[Grain of Salt]

So here I am...laying on this nice country road, just outside of the city, watching a column of ants cross the road, fascinating creatures, social, organized, care for their young and the good of the nest...and this guy in a car pulls up and stops with his tire on about 200 ants, squishing them all to pieces, mangled bodies hung from his tire tread. It was awful.

All this so he could watch a couple of stupid deer cross the road.

[Bill Monroe]

Dwight and I have exchanged notes. I do not consider him a colleague.

I'll blog it all later today, but am on deadline right now writing about my antelope hunt.

I write positively about hunting at every opportunity and negatively where I believe changes are due.

But I hope you can appreciate my extreme reluctance to give this event's connections (and especially Dwight's column/newspaper) added credence by keeping them visible.

We're a lot better off telling the truth in our day to day activities and cleaning up our acts where necessary.

Them's my thoughts...

[Beamerfish]

It is abjectly unconcionscionable to equate dogfighting with hunting. Yet we continue to see people arrogantly attempting to project their own narrow views and values regarding hunting onto others with no regard or understanding of what they are talking about. I also find it the height of hypocrisy to write this tripe sitting there in your office totally insulated from the natural world with your leather shoes and belt and going home to your chicken or steak dinner. (And if you think being a vegetarian gets you off the hook, let's talk about the direct and indirect impacts of modern industrial agriculture.)

[Flat Lander]

You should know Dwight and the way he is. He has one of the biggest egos I have ever seen. All he ever talked about was how big time he was. I bet he doesn't have any friends that REALLY hunt. I wish he wouldn't have wrote that but its a also a Portland paper.

[TheTexan]

Bill, Thank you for all that you do for hunters and hunting. I appreciate your views.

[Abalone]

Perhaps someone should take him on a hunt. I mean a real hunt where he could learn what hunting is really about.

Bring him over to our side !


I believe the he is repeating the kind of propaganda that is wide spread these days by the Anti's and doesn't really know what he's talking about.

[ehunter]

I would be happy to take any one of these guys hunting with me if they wanted to see how we hunt. They would see that we respect the animals more than most people. They would see that we are not drunk rednecks driving around in our 4 wheel drive and straping it on the hood of my car. I would love to have him come over when cutting up a animal and see how much referance we have for the healthy meat we eat each fall. I would like to have him join me for a outing to see if he feels the same watching a sun rise and smelling the morning as we watch a doe and a fawn. I would like to show him my check book for the donations and groups I make to help support that family of deer he was watching. I would like to have him walk with me every morning and every weekend just so that I am able to stay in shape enough to go elk hunting . No he doesn't have a clue.


As I drove the rest of the way home, I couldn’t help but think about people who load up their big trucks and head to the wilderness every fall. They grab their GPS unit, don the camouflage, load up the high-powered rifles and track these harmless animals until they get a clear shot at one of them.
Then they pull the trigger, kill one and strap it on the front of the car, proudly showing the rest of the world their trophy. Most of the time, of course, these aren’t people killing because they’re hungry – they’re killing for “sport.” That’s what we call it.
Hunting ducks, geese, birds, deer and all the rest – that’s sport. I know this because I read all about it in the sports pages. I guess if an animal can’t fetch the paper for you or allow you to pet it, it’s fair game to just shoot it – and even eat it, if you wish. As long as it’s in season.

[Flat Lander]

Originally Posted by ehunter

I would be happy to take any one of these guys hunting with me if they wanted to see how we hunt. They would see that we respect the animals more than most people. They would see that we are not drunk rednecks driving around in our 4 wheel drive and straping it on the hood of my car. I would love to have him come over when cutting up a animal and see how much referance we have for the healthy meat we eat each fall. I would like to have him join me for a outing to see if he feels the same watching a sun rise and smelling the morning as we watch a doe and a fawn. I would like to show him my check book for the donations and groups I make to help support that family of deer he was watching. I would like to have him walk with me every morning and every weekend just so that I am able to stay in shape enough to go elk hunting . No he doesn't have a clue.


As I drove the rest of the way home, I couldn’t help but think about people who load up their big trucks and head to the wilderness every fall. They grab their GPS unit, don the camouflage, load up the high-powered rifles and track these harmless animals until they get a clear shot at one of them.
Then they pull the trigger, kill one and strap it on the front of the car, proudly showing the rest of the world their trophy. Most of the time, of course, these aren’t people killing because they’re hungry – they’re killing for “sport.” That’s what we call it.
Hunting ducks, geese, birds, deer and all the rest – that’s sport. I know this because I read all about it in the sports pages. I guess if an animal can’t fetch the paper for you or allow you to pet it, it’s fair game to just shoot it – and even eat it, if you wish. As long as it’s in season.

I know I should stay out of this thread but I am not that smart. I used to see Dwight from time to time in one of my old watering holes back when he was with the Oregonian. Unless he changed since then you wouldn't want to take him anywhere unless your plans were to leave him.

[Limbhanger]

Originally Posted by ehunter

I would be happy to take any one of these guys hunting with me if they wanted to see how we hunt. They would see that we respect the animals more than most people. They would see that we are not drunk rednecks driving around in our 4 wheel drive and straping it on the hood of my car. I would love to have him come over when cutting up a animal and see how much referance we have for the healthy meat we eat each fall. I would like to have him join me for a outing to see if he feels the same watching a sun rise and smelling the morning as we watch a doe and a fawn. I would like to show him my check book for the donations and groups I make to help support that family of deer he was watching. I would like to have him walk with me every morning and every weekend just so that I am able to stay in shape enough to go elk hunting . No he doesn't have a clue.


As I drove the rest of the way home, I couldn’t help but think about people who load up their big trucks and head to the wilderness every fall. They grab their GPS unit, don the camouflage, load up the high-powered rifles and track these harmless animals until they get a clear shot at one of them.
Then they pull the trigger, kill one and strap it on the front of the car, proudly showing the rest of the world their trophy. Most of the time, of course, these aren’t people killing because they’re hungry – they’re killing for “sport.” That’s what we call it.
Hunting ducks, geese, birds, deer and all the rest – that’s sport. I know this because I read all about it in the sports pages. I guess if an animal can’t fetch the paper for you or allow you to pet it, it’s fair game to just shoot it – and even eat it, if you wish. As long as it’s in season.

Well said Ehunter...

I would like to take him along just so I could kick his behind up around his ears and then walk him to death.

[SummerRun Slayer]

.....you said what I wanted to.

[beardbuster]

It shows true ignorance to what "actually" happens and what peoples perception of how things happen in their mind. Usually comments like that are spurred by people who have zero "actual" facts. It seemed to me like his story which to use the word "boring" would be a compliment at best, was dropping off quickly and he needed something to wrap it up. Unfortunately, it ended with that.

Kind of like the kid who knows that he just got beat and as he's running away, turns and yells something back before his disappears around the corner.

Think of the people who read that paper. What percentage of them do you think are actually interested in sports? Not many. Its an avenue for them to target more market dollars. Take it for what it is, nonsense, and don't let it ruin your season.

[Limbhanger]

Originally Posted by SummerRun Slayer

.....you said what I wanted to.

I better go on record and say "Lord I apologize for saying Kick, [removed] and Death". My bad.:smile:

[SummerRun Slayer]

You didn't really say it, you just wrote it.lol I was a little leary about writing it cause of the Mods. I've had issues in the past and don't want to become a repeat offender!

[ehunter]

But I think if we ignor this type of reporting then the general public accepts it as truth? For some people they believe every thing they read and especially people who don't know any better. He was comparing us to Mike V and saying we are no better. I really disagree with that. I have 2 dogs and even 2 cats that are family and I still hunt so what does that make me Screwed up? I detest animal cruelity of any kind. But I am a hunter to my soul.

PS I bet more people read the sports than any thing else in that paper other than the personal classifiedsp

Originally Posted by beardbuster

It shows true ignorance to what "actually" happens and what peoples perception of how things happen in their mind. Usually comments like that are spurred by people who have zero "actual" facts. It seemed to me like his story which to use the word "boring" would be a compliment at best, was dropping off quickly and he needed something to wrap it up. Unfortunately, it ended with that.

Kind of like the kid who knows that he just got beat and as he's running away, turns and yells something back before his disappears around the corner.

Think of the people who read that paper. What percentage of them do you think are actually interested in sports? Not many. Its an avenue for them to target more market dollars. Take it for what it is, nonsense, and don't let it ruin your season.

[Headhunter]

Bill,

I too appreciate what you do for our hunting sports!

While I am proud of and support the First Amendment, this does sting a bit. While I don't like what Dwight said, I am glad he has the right to state his opinion. I just choose not to agree!

This goes back to many other threads on ifish and other forums right now. Our way of life is slowly being eroded by folks who have never stepped into the wood or marsh and experienced what it is really like to hunt. They focus on the killing and ignore the good that out license fees, tax dollars and economic spending provides for the non-hunter.

Just look at SI for example. How many thousands of non-hunters enjoy all the bird watching and non hunting activities that the WMA provides? I might not have all my facts, but I believe that this area is funded 100% by hunting $$$.

So I believe the answer is not by attacking folks like Dwight. That just makes a more determined foe. What needs to happen is all sportsmen & sportswomen need to come together and educate and focus the message. Recently the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance, the nation’s leading sportsmen’s rights advocacy organization was on the FOX News O'Reilly Factor. While I didn't personally watch this, the general feedback is OUR PRIMARY SPOKESPERSON whiffed. See thread here:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=164998&highlight=fox

I am not sure what makes me more angry...someone like Dwight speaking out of ignorance or someone like the spokesman for a hunting right group not willing to engage in debate when attacked?

If you look at PETA or any other anti group, they are passionate & highly motivated, educated, well spoken, and focused. While the sportsman is not. Too often we come across as bubba or worse. I don’t have the answers, but I do vote, have passion, and am willing to stay in the game so that my child and grandchildren can enjoy a set of cupped wings!

[ehunter]

You forgot to add well funded they pay for their passion since their hobby is trying to change our way of life.

Originally Posted by Headhunter

Bill,

I too appreciate what you do for our hunting sports!

While I am proud of and support the First Amendment, this does sting a bit. While I don't like what Dwight said, I am glad he has the right to state his opinion. I just choose not to agree!

This goes back to many other threads on ifish and other forums right now. Our way of life is slowly being eroded by folks who have never stepped into the wood or marsh and experienced what it is really like to hunt. They focus on the killing and ignore the good that out license fees, tax dollars and economic spending provides for the non-hunter.

Just look at SI for example. How many thousands of non-hunters enjoy all the bird watching and non hunting activities that the WMA provides? I might not have all my facts, but I believe that this area is funded 100% by hunting $$$.

So I believe the answer is not by attacking folks like Dwight. That just makes a more determined foe. What needs to happen is all sportsmen & sportswomen need to come together and educate and focus the message. Recently the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance, the nation’s leading sportsmen’s rights advocacy organization was on the FOX News O'Reilly Factor. While I didn't personally watch this, the general feedback is OUR PRIMARY SPOKESPERSON whiffed. See thread here:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=164998&highlight=fox

I am not sure what makes me more angry...someone like Dwight speaking out of ignorance or someone like the spokesman for a hunting right group not willing to engage in debate when attacked?

If you look at PETA or any other anti group, they are passionate & highly motivated, educated, well spoken, and focused. While the sportsman is not. Too often we come across as bubba or worse. I don’t have the answers, but I do vote, have passion, and am willing to stay in the game so that my child and grandchildren can enjoy a set of cupped wings!

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by ehunter

You forgot to add well funded they pay for their passion since their hobby is trying to change our way of life.

YES VERY WELL FUNDED!!!!

[Limbhanger]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

Bill,

I too appreciate what you do for our hunting sports!

While I am proud of and support the First Amendment, this does sting a bit. While I don't like what Dwight said, I am glad he has the right to state his opinion. I just choose not to agree!

This goes back to many other threads on ifish and other forums right now. Our way of life is slowly being eroded by folks who have never stepped into the wood or marsh and experienced what it is really like to hunt. They focus on the killing and ignore the good that out license fees, tax dollars and economic spending provides for the non-hunter.

Just look at SI for example. How many thousands of non-hunters enjoy all the bird watching and non hunting activities that the WMA provides? I might not have all my facts, but I believe that this area is funded 100% by hunting $$$.

So I believe the answer is not by attacking folks like Dwight. That just makes a more determined foe. What needs to happen is all sportsmen & sportswomen need to come together and educate and focus the message. Recently the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance, the nation’s leading sportsmen’s rights advocacy organization was on the FOX News O'Reilly Factor. While I didn't personally watch this, the general feedback is OUR PRIMARY SPOKESPERSON whiffed. See thread here:
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=164998&highlight=fox

I am not sure what makes me more angry...someone like Dwight speaking out of ignorance or someone like the spokesman for a hunting right group not willing to engage in debate when attacked?

If you look at PETA or any other anti group, they are passionate & highly motivated, educated, well spoken, and focused. While the sportsman is not. Too often we come across as bubba or worse. I don’t have the answers, but I do vote, have passion, and am willing to stay in the game so that my child and grandchildren can enjoy a set of cupped wings!

Headhunter, I dont think he did anything to hurt hunting, but he certainly had the opportunity to make better points with the public concerning hunting and conservation. He had the opportunity to expose PETA for what they are and definitely whiffed that.
You are spot on though, we HAVE to educate the non hunters about hunting and what it does for wildlife. A lot of people think that it is their tax dollars that take care of it all. We have a big job ahead if we are going to keep hunting alive in the future.

[oregonmuley]

With a guy like that I suppose he has his head so far up his you know what it would be tough to try and educate him on what hunting really is. I'm just really missing the point of why the media keeps comparing the Vick dogfighting thing with hunting???? But I guess its no different than when they talk about poaching - and then compare it to hunting - idiots!!!

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...90630568065700

Well I gave my response to that article.

Tim B

[DTSportsman]

Well said Tim B!

My response is beyond the language I like to use in private, or public, and beyond my abilities to convey without loosing it, I cannot go any further.

This is yet another reason though why we as Ifishers HAVE TO stay civil in our arguments, maybe PETA or other groups arn't reading our threads but our local writers probably do and they will feed off what they can to get the job done. Thanks for the post Bill, Honestly!

Daryn

[Headhunter]

Originally Posted by Got One!

Well I gave my response to that article.

Tim B

Very well thought out and articulated!

[ehunter]

Sombody needs to repsond to Jo JO

Re: Vick case is just a sign of the times

People who hunt are really just crazy! Think about it...if dear or duck was really that good to eat, they would have it in a value meal at McDonalds! What I don't understand is--if these people like to kill things, why don't they just hunt people? Wouldn't hunting people be like the NFL of hunting? I mean, come on hunters! Man up! You people like to kill things! Plain and simple! Set you sights a little higher why don't you!

[Limbhanger]

It looks like the hunting community is blazing away. Great job!!

Gotone, excellent response!!

As far as JoJo goes, I believe he's a clown that runs a circus or something on Disney Channel. Jojo spelled deer wrong too. Ignorant fool. I am glad to see replies like that because I believe he just helped us.

I liked this one too......short, but sweet...

"No offense intended to my friends who hunt"

You no longer have friends that hunt, moron!

LOLOL

[SummerRun Slayer]

My comment back to him was this:

Two Questions for you Dwight.


1. How many deer, elk, ducks, or geese have you personally ever seen strapped to the hood of a car?


2. How much did PETA pay you to write this article?

I'd really like to have him answer me.
Joe

[Jeremy]

"People who hunt are really just crazy! Think about it...if dear or duck was really that good to eat, they would have it in a value meal at McDonalds! What I don't understand is--if these people like to kill things, why don't they just hunt people? Wouldn't hunting people be like the NFL of hunting? I mean, come on hunters! Man up! You people like to kill things! Plain and simple! Set you sights a little higher why don't you!"


Seriously??? People do hunt people and they are called murderes not hunters, last time i checked it was also illegal to kill people. There is nothing illegal about killing ducks, geese, deer or elk as long as you have a license. i dont think they sell licenses for killing people.

[Headhunter]

We have all seen the article, the Vick issue, and know PETA is aiming for us.

Just wanted to point out that we the hunter do have a voice of calm in the storm. Check out this video clip of Morgan Freeman talking about wetland conservation for DU. This is not a plug for DU…and there is no hidden agenda, it’s just really great to see an Academy Award winner talk about OUR issues when so much of Hollywood is against us, when so many of his peers are on the PETA side!

http://www.ducks.org/media/news/psas...FreemanPSA.wmv

Enjoy!

Jimbo

[STRUTTIN-1]

[quote=DTSportsman;1643496]Well said Tim B!

My response is beyond the language I like to use in private, or public, and beyond my abilities to convey without loosing it, I cannot go any further.

This is yet another reason though why we as Ifishers HAVE TO stay civil in our arguments, maybe PETA or other groups arn't reading our threads but our local writers probably do and they will feed off what they can to get the job done. Thanks for the post Bill, Honestly!

All I dare use is icons..:o:frown::frown::frown::ber ry:
But it is apparent the man cannot hunt.

[Got One!]

I'm done replying to that thread. I hope I represented myself and sportsman as a whole, well.

I think once a day I will spend a couple minutes and look for news posts from the ANTI's and attacks on hunting and respond (as intelligent as I can) in kind.

Thanks for the link.

[ehunter]

good job and a great idea.

Originally Posted by Got One!

I'm done replying to that thread. I hope I represented myself and sportsman as a whole, well.

I think once a day I will spend a couple minutes and look for news posts from the ANTI's and attacks on hunting and respond (as intelligent as I can) in kind.

Thanks for the link.

[Bill Monroe]

FYI, all...My email discussion this morning with Dwight is up on the blog:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/billmonroe/

[Hunt'nFish]

Good on you Bill!! Nice work putting a sock in this ignorant trap.
Hunt'nFish

[ehunter]

Yes thanks Bill for trying to set the record straight and I hope that he hears enough from people to realize he is no different than his major Potter who hates baseball because he never played.

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

FYI, all...My email discussion this morning with Dwight is up on the blog:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/billmonroe/

Thanks again for the link Bill. He did have an editorial response that he posted to my 1st post, once again not anything about the wrong that Vick did, but the fact he doesnt like hunters.

Its a shame when a published public figure has to tie a tragedy of one thing to something else, unrelated, that they don't like for some personal reason.

(Of course I pulled his covers on that also)

[Idahoan]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

FYI, all...My email discussion this morning with Dwight is up on the blog:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/billmonroe/

Way to go! He is clearly ignorant towards hunting!

[Headhunter]

Bill great job and thanks for sticking up for us.

[beaverfan]

well said bill. that is a better defense than mr. sexton had on the o'reilly factor.

[Hawk]

One thing that I do note in the postings under Dwight's column in the trib, if you're going to post in such a public forum as that, please proofread what you write and download the Google toolbar to use the spell checker.

Nothing makes us look more like a bunch of bumpkins than all the spelling and typographic errors. They think we all just fell out of our tree and came rolling down from the hills. Learn the difference between "they're" (i.e., "they are") and "their" (i.e., "that person's). I know we all make mistakes, and I respect the courage of those who took the time to post, but please take the extra steps to make it look as good as well as being well thought out and articulated.

[Don Becker]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

FYI, all...My email discussion this morning with Dwight is up on the blog:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/billmonroe/

Yes, Bill! I agree with the others! Very, very well done!

Originally Posted by Hawk

One thing that I do note in the postings under Dwight's column in the trib, if you're going to post in such a public forum as that, please proofread what you write and download the Google toolbar to use the spell checker.

Nothing makes us look more like a bunch of bumpkins than all the spelling and typographic errors. They think we all just fell out of our tree and came rolling down from the hills. Learn the difference between "they're" (i.e., "they are") and "their" (i.e., "that person's). I know we all make mistakes, and I respect the courage of those who took the time to post, but please take the extra steps to make it look as good as well as being well thought out and articulated.

Hawk, I imagine you'll take a bit of grief from some for that post but, I have to tell you, I agree completely! The very best and well thought-out response loses a great deal of its effectiveness when it's wanting for correct capitalization and punctuation and full of spelling errors, wrong words/tense, omitted words, etc. You're correct, we all do it - - but, it does give a poor impression in a public forum when the writer is trying hard to represent him/herself and others in a positive light.

Don

[Got One!]

Originally Posted by Hawk

One thing that I do note in the postings under Dwight's column in the trib, if you're going to post in such a public forum as that, please proofread what you write and download the Google toolbar to use the spell checker.

Nothing makes us look more like a bunch of bumpkins than all the spelling and typographic errors. They think we all just fell out of our tree and came rolling down from the hills. Learn the difference between "they're" (i.e., "they are") and "their" (i.e., "that person's). I know we all make mistakes, and I respect the courage of those who took the time to post, but please take the extra steps to make it look as good as well as being well thought out and articulated.

Guilty as charged, and I do agree. 100%, my bad.

[Don Becker]

Originally Posted by Got One!

Guilty as charged, and I do agree. 100%, my bad.

'Can only speak for myself - - - 'was speaking generally, not singling anyone out. Don

[Got One!]

It's fine I know I didn't hit spell check, and I missed an "is" and probably something else in there. As stated it is not a bad idea to do so, as they will pass the content and go for the typo, or grammar issue. I am definitely not an English major!....But I do feel I get my point across from time to time.

No offence taken if it was at me, and the advice is well received and acknowledged.

From Bill's blog and to all that posted I applaud you! I'm not taking this lying down anymore.

[nehalemguy]

Its ironic that Dwight's boss Roger Pamplin allows hunting on his R2 Ranch in Central Oregon. I wonder if he feel his actions are akin to dogfighting? I hope that he has taken notice of this article. This is a great example of why this paper is a distant #2 in Portland.

Thanks for the heads up Bill.

E

[scubaseth]

Thank you Bill! I am glad you where nice in your emails to him. It looked like he could only cut and paste from his column.

Scuba

[ogrejager]

Originally Posted by Hawk

One thing that I do note in the postings under Dwight's column in the trib, if you're going to post in such a public forum as that, please proofread what you write and download the Google toolbar to use the spell checker.

Nothing makes us look more like a bunch of bumpkins than all the spelling and typographic errors. They think we all just fell out of our tree and came rolling down from the hills. Learn the difference between "they're" (i.e., "they are") and "their" (i.e., "that person's). I know we all make mistakes, and I respect the courage of those who took the time to post, but please take the extra steps to make it look as good as well as being well thought out and articulated.

Yes. I've been saying for years--these things matter. I'm not an English major, either, but if you want to get your point across--spelling matters! So does grammar, but after the prior, complicated, sentence I just felt like I couldn't throw stones in that direction.

Oh, you missed the third "there" (i.e., "look over there!")

[Headhunter]

The Oregonian ran an article today about Portland State Football coach Jerry Glanville and his thoughts on the Michael Vick situation. He drew the comparison of hunting and dog fighting too!

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/...420.xml&coll=7

Seems to me an email or letter is in order to PSU? After all it is funded with our tax dollars!

Jim O'Leary

[Bill Monroe]

I didn't read that into it...He simply said he doesn't hunt and it seemed to be an explanation why he has dogs that don't either...It wasn't nearly as blatant or false as Dwight's column (great comments on that, by the way)...simply a statement of opinion.

Tackling Dwight for erroneous statements and factual errors is one thing, but tackling Glanville for having an opinion is another that might take some forethought.

Just my thoughts...

[Headhunter]

Bill I respectfully disagree. Jerry could have just as easily said he doesn't do the AKC shows, doesn't enter pet & owner look alike contests, or doesn't do Dock Dogs. He could have, but chose to bring hunting into the conversation?

Jim

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

I didn't read that into it...He simply said he doesn't hunt and it seemed to be an explanation why he has dogs that don't either...It wasn't nearly as blatant or false as Dwight's column (great comments on that, by the way)...simply a statement of opinion.

Tackling Dwight for erroneous statements and factual errors is one thing, but tackling Glanville for having an opinion is another that might take some forethought.

Just my thoughts...

[scubaseth]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

The Oregonian ran an article today about Portland State Football coach Jerry Glanville and his thoughts on the Michael Vick situation. He drew the comparison of hunting and dog fighting too!

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/...420.xml&coll=7

Seems to me an email or letter is in order to PSU? After all it is funded with our tax dollars!

Jim O'Leary

He wasen't against guns though
"The only thing I would shoot would be you coming into my house uninvited."


Scuba

[Don Becker]

Originally Posted by Bill Monroe

I didn't read that into it...He simply said he doesn't hunt and it seemed to be an explanation why he has dogs that don't either...It wasn't nearly as blatant or false as Dwight's column (great comments on that, by the way)...simply a statement of opinion.

Tackling Dwight for erroneous statements and factual errors is one thing, but tackling Glanville for having an opinion is another that might take some forethought.

Just my thoughts...

Bill, I do agree " . . . not as blatant and false . . . ."

However, I'm more with Headhunter on this part. By inference, it becomes nearly " . . . as blatant and false . . . ." And, really, what part did the comment re whether or not he hunts have to do with the subject matter? [I know, it's a quote from an interview and if the truth was known, 'likely it was a meaningless aside . . . But, it unnecessarily adds fuel to the fire.

"As most people know, I'm a dog lover. I don't hunt. I refuse to hunt anything. The only thing I would shoot would be you coming into my house uninvited." Jerry Glanville 

My Don

[DucterJim]

We might be better served in this battle to take a page from the Zumbo firefight. Follow the money, we might be better to respond to the people that pay the person in question to either advertise or work for them. I have found you can almost never convince someone with a illogical point of view to change their opinion with a logical factual aurguement. What we all seem to be afraid to say is we actually enjoy hunting and all the things about it. Its not just the kill, but it hard to convince someone with logic. All we can ask for is the right to continue our sport just like they can have the right not to hunt or not eat meat.
I continue to see many references by posters to the "injections and hormones" in meat produced by modern agriculture. I will not get into the facts and try to convince you to change or illogical beliefs. You might consider where you came up with that "fact you hold true", probably thru the media and you never checked for the truth. Not much different than the tactic used by PETA. It works, it good to see spokemen and women like Bill Monroe to try to keep some balance.

[bp97211]

I read the article yesterday. Glad to see this thread and Bill's blog with the e-mail correspondence.

[WildernessHunter]

I just don't get it. Don't people understand that this kind of anti hunting jargen can hurt everyone, not just sportsman. If you study the history of tyrannies and monarchies you see that basic rights are pulled first following greater ones. What I am writing may be harkened by some of you as a doomsday rant but think about it. . . If the anti hunting coalitions can use these kind of articles, and ridiculous points to get some forms of hunting banned, than whats not to say that can't roll into gun rights being altered. If there isn't a reason to hunt, than whats the reason for guns?!? A right is a right, be it hunting, owning firearms, or freedom of speach. People in general need to be careful of how they state things for the masses to read, it may just come back to bite them in the ass, take Jim Zumbo (who's articles I read and admire) for example.

These "authors" if you will need to understand. . . Our first amendment was won with the second!

Just food for thought, and sorry if this hijacks the thread.

[BrianMaguire]

That is why the Tribune is free. They can't pay for real Journalists so no one will pay to read the drivel from the schmucks that do write for them.

[Don Becker]

Originally Posted by BrianMaguire

That is why the Tribune is free. They can't pay for real Journalists so no one will pay to read the drivel from the schmucks that do write for them.

Yup! 57 posts into this and Brian comes home from the hunt and sums it all right up - - - "ya' get what ya' pay for" . . . . Don

[JCJ]

The Portland Tribune,Willamette Weekly,exactly what would you expect any different of these rags anyway.They both cater to that select group of people we have around here,you know which ones I mean,so and article like this should be no surprise to anyone.And all the ranting and raving will do nothing but give them the response they were trying for.Like the one person said ,follow the money,thats how you get your point across and thats how you put the hurt on this kind of garbage.