Bouys left unattended???

[Big TULE]

Just a little rant...
We fished out of beacon rock today for some salmon with the 3 boys, 6,9,12 years old. We cought a lot of sturgeon, just no keepers.

We started salmon fishing early, and i noticed a guide drop out 4 times to our none. No big deal, they have the spot. But i notice there are 4 bouys??? 4 anchors? No other boats???
Then about an hour after we get there another boat shows up???
Still 2 boats, 4 anchor balls?
What gives, thought it was illegal to leave anchor balls forever?
Talked with the fish checker, he said was so minor F&W didn't care?
People come in drop ball and anchor and leave.
Next time i am going to observe and then anchor on top of unused balls....

Was an awesome ball. 3 kids cought 25-30 shaker sturgeon. My son had an absolute ball hooking his first sturgeon.

oh yeah not really a rant but, name is Chris Payne...

[joemomma]

I know what I would do, pick them up and drop them somewhere else, where thet could find it. Don't cut ot steal, that is wrong. And before I get flamed, I would have to witness this action, overnite for two days. Don't care for people who think they own a spot! Kinda like going duck hunting in a public spot and they leave their decoys out overnite! Seen this at summerlake to many times!

Joe Evans

[Pete]

I would leave the lifting and moving of someone else's gear to the coast guard. Yes, it's frustrating when people take advantage of the thin law enforcement resources, but I'd think a call to the marine patrol would be the first course of action.

[pearl]

I would leave the lifting and moving of someone else's gear to the coast guard. Yes, it's frustrating when people take advantage of the thin law enforcement resources, but I'd think a call to the marine patrol would be the first course of action.

Not me :whazzup: I would hook up to the buoy and rope. Someone wants to confront me and prove it's their outfit so be it. No number on the buoy, rope or anchor then it's my privilege to anchor there.

Don't like it I would be more then glad to "arm wrestle" you for it

[Broknt]

ok chris we have known each other for along time. but there are times that i anchor up early in the morning sit on hook for a little bit then go down to the dock to pick my people up. sometimes its a 15 minute round trip deal and sometimes it takes me an hour or so i have even had it take up to 2 hours when some one is late. so if thats the deal then i would be very po ed to come back and see my anchor ball gone ore some one sitting on it. so the best thing to do is bight your lip and let whats coming to them come to them. there was a very very good hole this year for summer chinook but people were sleeping in there boat on anchor all night sometimes one boat would be hooked up to 2 anchors. but i just bit my lip and fished any ways there are always going to be people out there doing it. doesnt matter if you mover there anchor or hookup to it and tell them to prove to you its there anchor. first of your anchor and ball in your boat proves that. all thats going to do is cause problems on the river that dont need to be had. be the bigger man and find some where else to fish.

BE THE BIGGER MAN

thad

[Big TULE]

Thad, no prob man...
We were on anchor @ 0530...
1 boat in spot. No big deal.
1030 2 boats in spot.
2 anchor balls still unattended???
I was the bigger man. We went sturgeon fishing for the kids...
Still no chinookm for the fat guy this year...

[Broknt]

its a frusterating thing. it makes me made all the time. seeing stuff like that. but i bring my anchor in my boat every night and take it home cause i know thats the right thing to do. the being a bigger man wasnt pointed at you chris so no worries there.


thad

[joemomma]

The bigger man wouldn't leave his ball there for two hours, in a hot hole. I wouldn't mess with it, but I would probably have bit my lip in two by then!

[Big TULE]

I guess it is not really a rant, but more of an observation....

I really didn't care.
But i think it is re (gosh dili-icious) rediculious how some think they own the river like that....

[Broknt]

so joe momma if i went down to pick up to go fishing and we got back and the anchor ball was gone or some was hooked up to it you wouldnt have problem with it. i think not. im not saying that a anchor ball should be left over night or that it should be left half the day. im saying that there are sitiuations that cause people to leave there anchor ball for a little bit so the right thing to do is just leave it alone. cause someday you are going to assume some thing and then its going to be another. we all what assume means. if you dont look at the first three letters then the u and me.


thad

[Big TULE]

So thad my question is when are we going fishin???

[joemomma]

[quote]
so joe momma if i went down to pick up to go fishing and we got back and the anchor ball was gone or some was hooked up to it you wouldnt have problem with it.

Like I said if you were gone for a couple of hours, I wouldn't like it. I know you are a guide, but you got no more rights than I have! I don't assume anything, in my line of work, it will get you killed or seriously injured, but I also know what an opinion means!


Joe

[Broknt]

did i say you couldnt leave your anchor ball for a couple of hours joemomma no i didnt. so i didnt say i had more rights then you. think first then react.


thad

[Broknt]

any time chris you know your always welcome on my boat.


thad

[joemomma]

i have even had it take up to 2 hours when some one is late. so if thats the deal then i would be very po ed to come back and see my anchor ball gone ore some one sitting on it.
BE THE BIGGER MAN

thad

There ya go

[joemomma]

What i'm saying is I wouldn,t like it!

[skybuster]

Two hours is definitely too long to leave your anchor in a productive hole. Think about it, someone else could easily limit 2 or 3 people out in a couple hours, so no, that is not very ethical to leave an anchor there for 2 or 5 hours.

My feeling is that if you aren't going to be fishing, take your anchor with you. I can understand a trip to the dock to pick people up or drop people off, but several hours is ridiculous.

BROKNTGUIDE, if your people are 2 hours late you need to explain to them that they lost their prime fishing spot because of their tardiness. Don't punish the rest of us.

Show some courtesy to your fellow fishermen and pull your anchor if you plan on being gone over an hour. You can always find another spot to fish later, why should the people that are there and ready to fish have to look for another spot. Doesn't make any sense to me.

[Broknt]

did i say you couldnt leave your anchor ball for a couple of hours joemomma no i didnt. so i didnt say i had more rights then you. think first then react.


thad

read this again. expecially the part where i said i didnt have more rights then you. cause i dont you have every right to run to the bathroom or to get more beer or whatever your reason is and leave your anchor ball there. just sam as i do or anyone else. we all have the right to leave or anchor ball for a while. im done.


thad

[Viktim29]

I Agree with Skybuster 100%. Not to Hammer on the Guides by any Means.. But think about it.If you were fishing on the Bank would you expect everyone to hold your spot for two hours while you went to do something,And left your cooler on the best rock on the bank to Mark your spot..Lol

[joemomma]

Your missing my point-not looking to argue, just making my point! Have a good one!

Joe

[Broknt]

skybuster my feeling on the subject is if theres a spot that you want to fish and some anchors and has to run tog et someone or something and it takes them a while. if want that spot get out of bed earlier and beat them there. i dont leave my anchor over night. i dont leave it for more then 15 to 30 minutes. i have had one rare time it was left for 2 hours. only one time and when i left it was going to be only a 15 minute round trip but when i got to the dock it turned out to be 2 hours cause they were late. sometimes things dont go the way we want them to go. crap happens. also you show me someone that can limit out 3 guys in 2 hours summer chinook fishin and ill show you a god. there is hardly ever any time that you can catch 6 fish in 2 hours on anchor.



thad

[Big TULE]

All i was saying when i started this thread is that where did common courtesy go????

And when I throw common courtesy out the door then something is wrong, because i am one of the most mellow people you will ever meet.
A little common courtesy will go a long way.

Please remember, if tomorrow is your last day, did you have fun?

[Broknt]

chris as you well know i show common courtsey to everyone i meet and know. i have lived my life that way. i dont do to others what i dont want done to me. i have steelhead fishing to do tomorrow and i have to get up at 230 so i can get out and get my good anchor spot. so im off to bed. take it easy chris ill shoot you a pm with my number so you can give me a jingle sometime and go fishing with me.


thad

[Chinooked]

Don't get me started with the old 4 buoy 1 boat deal. I have seen this go on for better than 3 weeks. It has gotten way out of hand. I bet its the same area around beacon rock.
One morning we decided to anchor up 150 yds below this area I am talking about. The guide working the same buoy for 10 days straight comes off her buoy and starts threatening us with a large knife/machete saying that if we anchor there and she loses a fish she was going to cut our anchor rope. Then asks us to follow her to the dock to straighten it out . Needless to say we didn't want any fighting at the dock we were there to fish. So she left to pick up her clients, returning back like nothing ever happened . So my point is that no one owns the river. Learn to deal with pulling your anchor when you limit your boat and go to clean fish, knowing that you won't be out for an afternoon trip. It may be your job but everyone loves to catch fish, so be courteous. This is not directed at guides only. Why do people limit their boat and not return to there anchor until right before dark to sleep on the buoy? Sounds a little selfish to me.
I haven't been up there since before the weekend and thought this activity would have slowed down . Guess not
This is a rant
Rich Trownsell

[Broknt]

those folks have been sleeping on there anchor since the 16th of june. i agree pull anchor go home sleep in your own bed.i have a wife and kids that i love alot and about the only time im away from them at night is buoy ten time. there is a problem with what chinook is talking about. but i dont see a problem with leaving your anchor for a little bit. but sleeping on anchor and not moving it for weeks is a little over board.. but you just got to bight your toungue and deal with. rich you were the bigger man by just letting it go. i cant believe the certain person threatened to cut your anchor rope wow. never expected that from her. sorry to hear about that not all of us are that way. i was so tempted one day to do what you did and anchor below them but i didnt.


thad

[Seefood Man]

"The guide working the same buoy for 10 days straight comes off her buoy and starts threatening us with a large knife/machete saying that if we anchor there and she loses a fish she was going to cut our anchor rope."

Now there is a level of professionalism we don't see everyday

[FishinMission]

Sure glad I don't have to go up there to catch summer salmon or steelies.

You guys can have it.


Mark

[RODACTION]

I bet its the same area around beacon rock.
One morning we decided to anchor up 150 yds below this area I am talking about. The guide working the same buoy for 10 days straight comes off her buoy and starts threatening us with a large knife/machete saying that if we anchor there and she loses a fish she was going to cut our anchor rope.

I believe I witnessed that bunch of carp that day, did'nt she come off her hook and then went to get her clients and with her clients in the boat did some more ?? . I was on the other side of the river and could here the voices travel.

I was just shaking my head when she pulled that stunt with her clients in the boat ( I wonder how Team ______ and team_____ would feel about that behavior, with their names on the side of the boat ?) I thought you (if it was you) were plenty far down stream from her. The easy fix for her would be to fire her big motor and get in the main steam of the river when she had a fish on.

I get to the river at O-dark-30 and there is balls in the river with no boat hooked to them, I guess they own the river It takes alot to get me spun-up, so I really don't care if people want to leave their stuff in the river, I will find my own spot, and I will still get fish, heck I might even limit Ken Bolstad

[Capt. Hook]

Don't ya just love all the happiness and companionship on the river? I'm with Fishin Mission. Have a ball at Bonnie (excuse the pun).

Even on the lower river I have had doughballs threaten to cut my anchor if I anchored 200 yards below them. I just smile and reply (petunias).

Leaving the anchor out? You'll never get a case of theft into court if it comes up missing.

[ToolBoy]

Unattended or not, you can not drop an anchor and lay 300 yards of rope right behind someone in that current. It put's everyone in real danger. What is so hard about lining up even and keeping ropes out of each others way? :whazzup:

[TheRogue]

I've been broken loose for an hour fighting a really, really big oversize, so I would say that an hour is probably a decent number....but 2 hours? Nawww.....

What will happen is that enough people will get upset, we'll eventually end up with no recreational overnight anchoring in the area....maybe a 4am shotgun start, that's scary.

TR

[roadsend]

"You guys can have it."

I am with you on this one. If this were my only fishing opportunity, I would quit and find another sport.
I fish to have fun and I can do without all the (petunias).

[Chinooked]

Hey Rodaction were you in a white northriver or a red alumaweld? In the very spot you were fishing a few days before, another guide anchored in 30 ft of water, then proceded to tie off to the bank 60 ft away to drag himself into the 17-18 ft slot there. His idea was that he could take the entire slot himself. So later in the afternoon after his ball and the side anchor rope were left in the water unattended(EXTREMELY DANGEROUS)and the guide was no where to be seen. His side rope was hooked to his ball then to the shore laying only a few inches under the water. Someone could have easily lost their boat there. Driving up the side of the river, ohh wait whats that in my prop, then the boat stops and does the backwards turn then becomes a large quikfish in the flow up there. Needless to say we unhooked that side rope because of the danger. YOU CANNOT LEAVE A ROPE HANGING ACROSS THE RIVER UP THERE IF YOU ARE NOT ON YOUR BALL PERIOD. So we dropped our anchor in the slot and his buoy was out in 30 ft of water after the unhooking . We hosed the fish that afternoon .
Yeah I never really blew the hole deal out of proportion, but this kind of behavior has to stop. I don't think the people that put their names on the side of the boat would appreciate it much. I believe they were notified by my buddy and I haven't talked to the captain of team _______. We did have an off duty senior State patrol officer(you know him if you hunt ducks on the island) come by and say hello and survey the situation. He said no problem with where we anchored. When you are fishing in areas with hog lines stacked up and you do hook up on a fish point the nose of your boat to the middle of the river and motor out of everyones way . That is enough for me today time to go fish.

[Big TULE]

I don't care if people sleep on there anchor. That is there perogative.
What i have a problem with is just leaving them there all day and never even looking at it. Never tying up to it.
Like i said 4 bouys and 2 boats. That leaves 2 empty bouys all day?
And the fish checker said to just anchor on top of the unused anchor ball.. And if you pull up the anchor ball who do you return it to??? Good question?

[red willie]

the other day me and chinooked were out there wanting to fish the spot in ??? and of course there was only 2 boats there and 5 balls on the water. being the bigger man i went to the other side to fish a spot that has been hot aswell. when we get over there there is a ball well out side the slot i want to fish, so thinking i could just pull up and drop my anchor, moose aka chinooked says theres a cross line going 30 yards out from the bank, thank god he saw it or as you all know what could happen..so as we are trying to figuer<sp> out what to do the guide rolls up,,says that every one dos it as if that makes it ok,,if a boat would have gone though there at step it would have been scary..so rather then being a good guy he leaves the anchor and go's to the other side and fishes on some other guides ball..all that anchor of his was for was over flow so the pros could have a place to go before hiting the good spot..not cool IMO..

i have more respect for guides then you will ever know, but that is the dumbest thang i have ever..

im done

rw

[red willie]

looks like chinooked told the story while i was writing my take of it..,,sorry for the long read

rw

[RODACTION]

Hey Rodaction were you in a white northriver or a red alumaweld?

That would be a red North River, and if your who I think I saw you would be in a aluminum open boat, maybe dull green ?

[Chrome Bumper]

Brokntguide pick up your crap and take it with you. Someone else might want to use the resource when you are not around. Don't leave hazards around for others to move.

Anchor balls are like portapotties: If you leave one in the feild don't be surprised if some one is using it when you get back.

[Chrome Bumper]

I don't care if people sleep on there anchor. That is there perogative.
What i have a problem with is just leaving them there all day and never even looking at it. Never tying up to it.
Like i said 4 bouys and 2 boats. That leaves 2 empty bouys all day?
And the fish checker said to just anchor on top of the unused anchor ball.. And if you pull up the anchor ball who do you return it to??? Good question?

The return address would be Davy Jones Locker, care of Neptune.

[freespool]

What is so hard about lining up even and keeping ropes out of each others way?

If you can solve that question, you wiil have indeed, become one of the enlightened ones.
As sure as the sun rises in the East, there will be lowholers in the river.
Getting all tweeky about it only serves to wreck your day.
However,leaving anchor balls unattended is a hazard to river navigation, and should be reported to the Coast Guard or State Police.


salmon hugger

[fishingls]

This is a hot topic with me. I have seen anchors dropped and left in an attempt to tie up a good spot. It strikes me as being not fair and against the law as it creates a navigation hazard. However, trying to get law enforcement to address this feels like taking a whiz into the wind.
Based on the way people have behaved in the past, (particularily the old west and this wasn't that long ago, citizens organized themselves into vigilante groups to bring things back into proper order. Unfortunatly, most vigilante groups went to far. Feelings being expressed in some of these posts are very vigilante in nature. Perhaps those who want to drop anchors and balls to hog places on the river should take note of the situation and feelings that they are creating.

[salmonking]

Well fellers, in the good old days if a feller left his two balls on the river, who would be the BIGGER MAN?

[Jennie@ifish]

Wow. When I started ifish, I never knew that fishing was like this. I'm sure getting a lesson!

My gosh! You guys... This is FISHING for gosh sakes. It's supposed to be fun!

In the last year I've just been shocked by some things that I read!!!

:shocked:

[Zodiac-Fisherman]

Heres how i look at it.
If a bankie were to leave his spot at a well known spot, other bankies would move in.

Leave your buoy in the middle of the river for a few hours, you've lost your spot.

We all as a fisherman/women know that being at the right spot produces fish.

If there was a tiny slot on the Cr in which is producing fish, and there was a buoy unattended, then Ill just tie up my boat to the buoy, if there is a problem with the boat owning the buoy, its their bad for leaving it in the river. Ill kindly offer my anchor system so they can use, either that or pull up their anchor, drop mine and give them their anchor back. But I will be staying in the same spot.

[Viktim29]

think about it.If you were fishing on the Bank would you expect everyone to hold your spot for two hours while you went to do something,And left your cooler on the best rock on the bank to Mark your spot..Lol

Zodiac hit the Nail right on the Head...An Anchor left for an hour or even 2 on the OUTSIDE possibility is understandable.. But leaving an Anchor out For an Extended period of Time is Unacceptable,,And creating a Potential LIFE threatening Hazard...

[Chrome Bumper]

Sorry Jen. Just trying to have fun. The boat is unside down and all clean from 5 months of being in the water and waiting for the second coat of wax.

I never let my anchor bouy out of sight, they are exspensive.

[smoltcatcher]

2 hours is too long dude.

[skybuster]

2 Hours is too long, MAN LAW!

[Flying Roast Beef]

I'd like to point out the fact the the people sleeping at anchor are at least attending their anchor. Maybe they're just die hards.

[Viktim29]

I Agree that sleeping on your Anchor,, Is entirely DIFFERENT than leaving it UNATTENDED for EXTENDED periods of Time....
Ps. I think we've covered the fact That 2hours is TOO long..

[joemomma]

I Agree that sleeping on your Anchor,, Is entirely DIFFERENT than leaving it UNATTENDED for EXTENDED periods of Time....
Ps. I think we've covered the fact That 2hours is TOO long..

Amen

[fishingls]

While fishing and having the afternoon to think about this some more. Perhaps what we need to do is to pull the anchor, then turn it into the local law enforcement agency as abandoned property. If it isn't claimed, then we all have a chance to bid on it.

[CMallardDrake]

Good reading here at ifish on this warm, summer evening...even here on the coast.

Unattended buoys and anchor lines and sleeping in "hot holes" over night on the CR. Reminds me of the one time as a child back in the '60s when my folks took my sister and I into Portland for the Rose Festival parade. We watched the parade from somewhere in the midst of the city and got a decent spot to view by just arriving there an hour or so before the parade passed. As I see by television news reports these days, people now sleep out on the sidewalks the nights before to have a spot to watch the parade and even can claim rights to prime locations by just setting up a few lawn chairs or marking with chalk on the sidewalk..."reserved" for so and so.

Sounds like the upper river fisherfolk, are following in the steps of parade watchers. When did fishing get to be so rude? "Machete wielding female guides"...? Did I read that correctly within this thread?

:shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:........... :shocked:

[Uglygreen]

It isn't theft if you turn the ball, rope, and anchor in to the proper lost and found authorities. IMHO.

- Brad

[PapaHog]

It isn't theft if you turn the ball, rope, and anchor in to the proper lost and found authorities. IMHO.

- Brad

You might be doing the fisher a favor that has dropped off and then got lost and could not find the anchor when returning to it. Surly it is abandoned after a couple hours of not being attended.

Pull it and turn it in seems like me to be the responsible thing to do.

[FishinTechnician]

Reminds me of an early predawn opening morning we arrived at the state owned, public goose field we had scouted the morning before only to find decoys had been placed where we intended to hunt. The other hunting party, had placed their decoys the afternoon before and decided to sleep-in satisfied that the spot would be their's in the morning. We picked up their decoys, placed them in a neat pile a 100yds distant and enjoyed a good goose shoot that morning. Yes, they were upset, but they got over it. I see the story of the unattended anchor ball to be no different.

[Bait Bucket]

When ya got a boat load of gals onboard, pee breaks come frequently. So if I drop off for a few minutes, please leave my anchor alone. Thank you. BB

[Viktim29]

Dosen't matter if you've got the entire Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Squad on Board..Take your Pee break. and get back on the Anchor..Hours at a time is Ridiculous....

[PapaHog]

When ya got a boat load of gals onboard, pee breaks come frequently. So if I drop off for a few minutes, please leave my anchor alone. Thank you. BB

This thread has never been attended to eliminate pee breaks unless they take 2 or 3 hours.

Someone doing you a favor by pulling your ball and anchor and turning it in to the authorities as found equipment that was left for 2 or 3 hours and was obviously lost is a good thing.

[freespool]

Just had a chat with a fine young Petty Officer from the Coast Guard.
Leaving anchor balls unattended at night constitutes a hazard to other boaters.
He assured me they would be looking into this situation.
So if you leave your anchor unattened, you might have to go to Swan Island to get it back.



salmon hugger