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[FireCat]

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[grsteelies]

Very well said Cat. Just ALOT more detailed than my short explaination for yesterday. My dad always has told me, "God does not practice catch and release. You get put in the eternal livewell forver."

[rimrock]

So dear brothers and Sisters A true Cristian canot commit a sin which there is no forgivness. We are protected by the power of God (1 Peter 1:5) We may Greive the Holy Spirit he still seals us for the day of redemption (Ephes 4:30) Lord Bless.



That's good stuff. :cool:

I could of highlighted many, many quotes. It's very encouraging and well said; I can't possibly add to it. :applause: Thanks for sharing :angel:

[DAB]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
DAB

[SKP]

Yes, there is one unpardonable sin:


"Anyone who rejects the convicting power of the Holly Spirit and does not repent, will not be forgiven

This is blashpemy of the Holy Spirit.

SKP

[Dullhook]

Yes, there is one unpardonable sin:


"Anyone who rejects the convicting power of the Holly Spirit and does not repent, will not be forgiven

This is blashpemy of the Holy Spirit.

SKP



I think the key words here are: "and does not repent".

To be forgiven for our sins, we must pray to our Lord for forgiveness. Nonrepentance shows a lack of true faith.

I'm in complete agreement with Firecat on his interpretation.

From Peter 1.4-5

"And God has reserved for His children the priceless gift of eternal life; it is kept in heaven for you, pure and undefiled, beyond the reach of change and decay.

And God, in His mighty power, will make sure that get there safely to receive it, because you are trusting Him. It will be yours in that coming last day for all to see".

[SKP]

Yes, once you have it, you have it. Once we are born physically, we are born. Once we are born spiritually, we are born again. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, per the Bible.

Salvation is not a loan, but a free gift. To reject God's free gift of salvation, is the unpardonable sin.

SKP

[CATCH AND EAT]

I have a slight disagree with the once saved always save theory. You can fall out of the grace of God, backslide into an old life routine. However God forgives over and over again basically without ceasing. It is because of this that we as humans have a chance of eternal life with Him.

What good does it do to ask God's forgiveness and then turn around an break any of the 10 commandments consistently without asking His Forgiveness again? That is hippocracy IMHO.

Living the Christian life is just that. Living as Christ commands, without sin (very tough), and striving to gain the promised land of Heaven to LIve with God forever.

"The way to heaven is Narrow" that means it is not an easy road. God's grace makes the narrow road easier if we hold to the road with steadfast faith. It is in that moment of our finality here on earth that God continues to listen to us with the hopes that we proclaim His name as savior.

To serve God all our lives we will recieve a greater reward in Heaven but God listens until that last moment for us as sinners to commit to Him. The reward may not be as great but we are welcomed into His arms.

[FishinGrl22]

As I've seen many and many of times... God will never let those who have come to him and repented ever go. I've always pictured a hand.. reaching out from clouds and me reaching forward to take a hold of it. But as I started to slip and fall away my grip on his hand became looser and came to me just hanging on the very tip of his fingers. But all this time he never let go. He still had me but I had to choose to repent and come back and once i do the grip becomes stronger and He starts pulling me up again.

The whole thing about Blasphemy I never even realized till now, and I thank you for bringing it to us in such a clear point. NEver had I understood what that word meant and now that I do, I am sure that God will guide me through studies that purtain to Blasphemy.


By God's Grace I AM SAVED!!!!! :angel: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :dance:

[SKP]

10/10/05 - Edited out comments that might have personally offended, which in no way was my intention, and I'm sorry for the wrong choice of words.

I take offence to this teaching against eternal security of the believer.

God is not an Indian giver of loans. He gives eternal life. Salvation is not given and taken away with each sin. What you are saying is that a person can loose eternal life? Then it was not eternal life, but a loan?

So, if you accepted the Lord, got in your car, lusted after a woman on the side of the road as you ran a red light looking at her, and died in a car accident at that moment, you are saying, you go straight to hell, because you did not have a chance to repent of your lust before crashing? But you did accept the Lord previous. You are saying that it wouldn't matter, you do not pass go, you do not collect $200.00, you go straight to hell?

Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost (and so on) is not what the Bible teaches.

How in the world do you have any hope of salvation with this teaching?

I John 5:13 says, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"

John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

What you are saying, is that you would have to live a sinless life after salvation to guarantee eternal life. There is no one strong enough that can do that.

Do you lust after you accepted the Lord? Do you get angry after accepting the Lord? Have you lied after accepting the Lord?

Accepting the Lord does not make us sinless, it makes us sin less with the help of the Holy Spirit that indwells us. The Holy Spirit does not go away.

Have you ever seen the Footprints in the Sands poem? We might stray away from God, but he never leaves us or forsakes us. Hebrews 13:5 says, "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."

Definition of eternal: Main Entry: 1eter·nal
Pronunciation: i-'t&r-n&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin aeternalis, from Latin aeternus eternal, from aevum age, eternity -- more at AYE
1 a : having infinite duration : EVERLASTING b : of or relating to eternity c : characterized by abiding fellowship with God <good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? -- Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)>
2 a : continued without intermission : PERPETUAL b : seemingly endless
3 archaic : INFERNAL <some eternal villain ... devised this slander -- Shakespeare>
4 : valid or existing at all times : TIMELESS <eternal verities>

Definition of everlasting: Main Entry: 1ev·er·last·ing
Pronunciation: "e-v&r-'las-ti[ng]
Function: adjective
1 : lasting or enduring through all time : ETERNAL
2 a (1) : continuing long or indefinitely (2) : having or being flowers or foliage that retain form or color for a long time when dried b : tediously persistent <the everlasting sympathy-seeker who demands attention -- H. A. Overstreet>
3 : wearing indefinitely

God's free gift of eternal life is not a loan, but a gift. Eternal life is not temporal life while you are good.

ALL mess up one time or another. This is when we have to repent and ask God to get us back on track. But we don't loose salvation.

So, when I stole, lied, cheated, threw a fit, lusted, and all the rest, does this make me not my parents child still?

SKP

[rimrock]

I do understand the point C&E raised along with happybrew, even my own denomination would agree it’s possible to lose one’s salvation – I believe based on God’s Word the Synod is in error by blending Law and Gospel to a degree. Nevertheless a word of caution is correctly warranted. To sin with impunity without regard to the Blood of Christ claiming faith alone in a flipped manner is a dangerous sign.

With that said I each day break some of the 10 Commandments (some days most). Is this sin with impunity? It sure could seem that way, if I really felt bad about it, why so many years plagued by the same reoccurring sins. Is this truly repentance??? Ah, but this would be yet again falling back into the deception of looking inwardly at myself and my effort as a participant in salvation and not outwardly to the Cross – it’s so easy isn’t it to be deceived by I’m I good enough. Thankfully Scripture is clear I’m “justified apart from the Law and that by faith in Christ”. It sounds paradoxical but I do like the expression:

“We are saved by faith alone; but faith is never alone.”

Whenever I look to the Law I see my ongoing failure, when I look outside myself to the Cross I see my salvation. Each Sunday I love entering the sanctuary seeing the cross which dominates our sanctuary; it reminds me to keep looking towards Him.

C&A is correct in saying, “Jesus is the way”. You’ll notice it doesn’t say I’m to WALK the way, rather Jesus IS the way. He’s not only the ends by the means to God. A path I could never walk was walked by Him all the way up to Calvary.

[FireCat]

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[SKP]

Firecat :applause: :applause: :applause:


And now there is Rom 9, 8:38-39 I am convinced that neither death, nor life nor angels,nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come.38: nor height nor depth nor anyother created thing shall be able to seperate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus.



If you sin, and can loose your eternal life, then YOU would have power over God if YOU could remove yourself from the eternal grip of the Father. Nothing, not even you or your sin, can seperate us from the love of the almighthy God!!!

NOTHING.

SKP

[PapaHog]

For by Grace are Ye saved thru faith and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of god. Not of works least any man should boast.

So if this is true what Brother Paul was writing then it is not by any works of man. If man can not earn it then man can not lose it. It is everlasting. Do you think that man has more power than God.

He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. If it is not everlasting then what is it? Did God lie to us. It is not everlasting. God can lie?? I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and I have everlasting life no matter what I do.

The unpardonable sin is rejecting the convicting power of God the Holy Spirit by not excepting Christ as saviour. Christ paid for my sins on the cross.

If god can save us he can keep us. God can not see sin in us because our sins are covered by the blood of Christ.

papa

[CATCH AND EAT]

Bernie,

You have got to be kidding? I don't take offence at you at all. I take offence to this teaching.

God is not an Indian giver of loans. He gives eternal life. Salvation is not given and taken away with each sin. What you are saying is that a person can loose eternal life? Then it was not eternal life, but a loan?

So, if you accepted the Lord, got in your car, lusted after a woman on the side of the road as you ran a red light looking at her, and died in a car accident at that moment, you are saying, you go straight to hell, because you did not have a chance to repent of your lust before crashing? But you did accept the Lord previous. You are saying that it wouldn't matter, you do not pass go, you do not collect $200.00, you go straight to hell?

Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost Saved Lost (and so on) is not what the Bible teaches.

How in the world do you have any hope of salvation with this teaching?

I John 5:13 says, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"

John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Romans 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

What you are saying, is that you would have to live a sinless life after salvation to guarantee eternal life. There is no one strong enough that can do that.

Do you lust after you accepted the Lord? Do you get angry after accepting the Lord? Have you lied after accepting the Lord?

Accepting the Lord does not make us sinless, it makes us sin less with the help of the Holy Spirit that indwells us. The Holy Spirit does not go away.

Have you ever seen the Footprints in the Sands poem? We might stray away from God, but he never leaves us or forsakes us. Hebrews 13:5 says, "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee."

Definition of eternal: Main Entry: 1eter·nal
Pronunciation: i-'t&r-n&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin aeternalis, from Latin aeternus eternal, from aevum age, eternity -- more at AYE
1 a : having infinite duration : EVERLASTING b : of or relating to eternity c : characterized by abiding fellowship with God <good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? -- Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)>
2 a : continued without intermission : PERPETUAL b : seemingly endless
3 archaic : INFERNAL <some eternal villain ... devised this slander -- Shakespeare>
4 : valid or existing at all times : TIMELESS <eternal verities>

Definition of everlasting: Main Entry: 1ev·er·last·ing
Pronunciation: "e-v&r-'las-ti[ng]
Function: adjective
1 : lasting or enduring through all time : ETERNAL
2 a (1) : continuing long or indefinitely (2) : having or being flowers or foliage that retain form or color for a long time when dried b : tediously persistent <the everlasting sympathy-seeker who demands attention -- H. A. Overstreet>
3 : wearing indefinitely

God's free gift of eternal life is not a loan, but a gift. Eternal life is not temporal life while you are good.

ALL mess up one time or another. This is when we have to repent and ask God to get us back on track. But we don't loose salvation.

So, when I stole, lied, cheated, threw a fit, lusted, and all the rest, does this make me not my parents child still?

SKP over and out.



SKP the question was can you lose your salvation and the answer is yes if you turn your back on God. We are all Guilty from time to time of sin via lust, and other examples given here but it is through repentance that God forgives our trespasses against Him.

I am not going to tell anyone to question their salvation if they are comfortable with where they stand with Our GOD but rather really think about how you live and is it in accordance with God's Will.

God is a merciful, loving, all knowing God and He knows when we screw up. Were human and we will screw up, every day in fact but what I was referring to SKP are those that claim to be Christian then do nothing but sin big time without repentance. So is hypocracy then okay to live in sin after a conversion? Look, they Lord knows each of our hearts and minds so who in fact really thinks they can "fake out" God? I sure don't so if I am prepared to ask for His salvation through Christ I better darn well be prepared to live as He asks.

His forgiveness is eternal but only if we ask for it through repentance. 70x7........ you know the scripture. It end the end does not matter what you and I think at all SKP because we are not the Judge, the ALpha and Omega. God will determine our salvation and that is all that matters is'nt it.

"Yeah, I'm saved. Let's go get drunk and cheat on our wives and embezzle from our boss" Sorry, that is not how I see salvation working.

God forgives all sin so I do not believe there is an unpardonable sin. Saul is a perfect example.

Bernie OUT!

[FireCat]

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[CATCH AND EAT]

Firecat, God loves the sinner but hates the sin is how I see it. God constantly works in our lives to bring us back into the fold in many different ways that none of us will ever understand until we meet our LORD. Others will pray for us that we would come back to Him, there are life changing events in our lives that bring us to God and so on. But it is our own choice to allow God into our hearts, minds, souls and work through us.

We as Christians have a duty to continuelly seek God and work for his kingdom. Some of us work much harder than others of course.

On another subject I would like to appologize to SKP for steping on him a little in my previous post. His intentions are good and debate is healthy and a way to learn. I simply over reacted and I am sorry Steve. What matters is that we all love the Lord and seek his kingdom of heaven with live eternal. Man's intrepretation in the end matters little. :angel:

[rimrock]

Can a Christian/Can’t a Christian??? :shrug:

One very important idea to remember is the unity of believers. Note I DIDN’T say uniformity of believers, but unity. The once saved always saved debate is not a fundamental doctrine of the Faith, it is very important and it's good to discuss but it's not fundamental.

The Christian life is one of balance. We shouldn’t ever say, “lets not discuss differences in understand, we shouldn’t ever disagree” – this is uniformity and is unhealthy for spiritual growth; an apathetic approach to faith only erodes faith. On the other end of the scale we shouldn’t ever divide over “secondary issues” they may be discussed even intensely but not to the point of division – unity of believers.

Finally then, I’ll say it’s important to know what is fundamental to Christianity and what isn’t. If you’re not sure what these Pillars of the Faith are a good place to start would be the principles highlighted in the three major creeds – the creeds are not inspired texts but they do capture fundamental points from Scripture. Creed comes from the Greek word meaning “I believe”. This is the dividing line which separates (divides) Christian from non – on these principles there can be no compromise.

[FastActionRodTip]

what a great topic...I've heard every angle over the years...the ol' 'you never know when that car will cross the center lane' analogy, so we better all prepare ourselves and stop the sins in our life that we know seperate us from God. I think as long as we're truly repentant, and only He knows exactly what's in our hearts, then our names will be written in the ook of Life. And yes, I think that if we slip up at the last moment and become distracted oggling a woman, run the red light and get killed, that God will have forgiven us.

[in 'em]

If any sin can cause loss of salvation, that would mean that Jesus death on the cross did not cover that sin! Once saved always saved! All are sinners. We all are seen as holy by God through Jesus Christ death for us. If it were possible for one to live sinlessly, then Jesus would not have needed to sacrifice his life. We will all be judged accordingly, but I assure you that if you have had a true conversion, you will go to heaven! Praise the Lord!

[AnglersRental]

Reading this thread I was reminded several times of what Paul says in Eph 4.


With the Lord's authority let me say this: Live no longer as the ungodly do, for they are hopelessly confused. Their closed minds are full of darkness; they are far away from the life of God because they have shut their minds and hardened their hearts against him. They don't care anymore about right and wrong, and they have given themselves over to immoral ways. Their lives are filled with all kinds of impurity and greed.

But that isn't what you were taught when you learned about Christ. Since you have heard all about him and have learned the truth that is in Jesus, throw off your old evil nature and your former way of life, which is rotten through and through, full of lust and deception. Instead, there must be a spiritual renewal of your thoughts and attitudes. You must display a new nature because you are a new person, created in God's likeness--righteous, holy, and true.

So put away all falsehood and "tell your neighbor the truth" because we belong to each other. And "don't sin by letting anger gain control over you." Don't let the sun go down while you are still angry, for anger gives a mighty foothold to the Devil.

If you are a thief, stop stealing. Begin using your hands for honest work, and then give generously to others in need. Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.

And do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he is the one who has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.

Get rid of all bitterness, rage, anger, harsh words, and slander, as well as all types of malicious behavior. Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you.



:flowered: Brad

[rimrock]

Me likes Ephesians! :dance:

Thanks Brad, from Brad :wink: :wave:

[Wreckless]

This has been a GOOD, refreshing, reaffirming (sp) message for me & others, I'm sure. :angel:

Thank you.

Dennis