Herman creek

[rob allen]

So last weekend i went to take a look for myself I had with me a friend who is an ex tournament bass fisherman and who has been flyfishing for 4-5 years now here are a couple comments he made. He knew nothing about this fishery and was not tainted by any pre concieved ideas.
" get me out of here before I puke"

"I would rather get a root canal without novicane than fish here"

" i wouldn't fish here if it were the last place on earth"

[AndyK]

Sounds like a real snob fisherman!

[Navigator]

What do you expect from a bass fisherman :grin: :rolleyes:.

[lilnorthfork]

was not tainted by any pre concieved ideas


Would you really have us believe you allowed not one of your own to reach the unsuspectin ear of this innocuous, bass-fishin gentleman? :smirk:

[Stew]

Sounds like a real snob fisherman!



I don't agree :shrug: Some people, like me for instance, just don't like fishing crowded places. If you enjoy fishing Herman Creek then more power to you but don't look down on people who don't.

[SilverFly]

Rob,

I think the operative word here is "weekend". I haven't been there on a weekend in years so I can only guess what you and your friend saw.

What I really want to know is what is the point of this post?

Do you have something specific to report, or are you just sharing generalizations based on the "activities" confined to a specific area and group?

Since you're not making any such distinctions, the obvious implication is that the whole fishery is corrupt, and no real sportsman in his right mind would participate in it. Well fine then, maybe I am just a stupid "meat" fisherman who is devoid of any sporting ethics or sense of aesthetics, but at least let me share my reasoning for going there.

First, I believe in targeting hatchery fish for harvest purposes. Unfortunately, that means going to places like Herman Creek if I want to be most effective. Also, I am at a point in my life where I don't have the financial or time resources to pursue more aesthetically pleasing fishing ventures, and bringing a fish home DOES make a difference in the grocery bill. I am looking forward to the day when I can drive 4 hours to CnR a few wild trout, but that's not a realistic option for me right now. Besides, you should be thanking me for going to Herman and leaving a vacancy on the Deschutes.

Second, I am growing VERY tired of giving up water to snagging, poaching, littering scum! Would my choosing to NOT go there help the situation? I think not. My absence would only mean one less ethical fisherman is there. I have a long history of complaining about poaching and have helped to close more than one location. Am I disgusted by the activities that go on there? YES, absolutely, but running away to someplace "pristine" is not going to fix anything!

If you can't stomach the place, fine, but by all means do something to fix the situation other than to hand out a dose of condescension to the ethical fishermen that still go there.

Thanks,

-SF.

[Ryan Pultz]

Second, I am growing VERY tired of giving up water to snagging, poaching, littering scum! Would my choosing to NOT go there help the situation? I think not. My absence would only mean one less ethical fisherman is there.
If you can't stomach the place, fine, but by all means do something to fix the situation other than to hand out a dose of condescension to the ethical fishermen that still go there.

-SF.



<font color="blue"> Thank you I feel the same way hey if I see someone snagging fish at Herman creek I call the snagging hotline. I think a bunch of us should go up there some Saturday and show a sign of force that we are tiered of SOME of the people up there snagging fish. I have said something to people up there before and I will do it again. Ryan</font>

[Gizmo Man]

Alright....this has been beat to death. The other thread and now this is not what I enjoy reading here.

Both sides of the issue have been discussed so lets just let this one die and find a topic we can all ralley around.

To those who don't like fishing with crowds, that's your choice. Those who do that's yours also.

I can only say that with the increased population that finding those less crowded areas are harder to find. You think fishing Montana now is as pristine as it was 25 years ago. Been to Yellowstone or RR Ranch....flyfishers too!

With the crowds come the garbage, closed waters and questionable fishing techniques as more compete for less.

I also do not see what the point was Rob of you having a bass fisherman go look at HC... every watch the Saturday morning bass shows and the crowds that gather, drink beer and follow the circuit. I wouldn't want any of that mess and what about the danger to other boaters as those pocket rockets take off thinking that because they are in a tournement they own the lake or river they are on and high speeds are the rule so they can get to their spot first....damn the dad and his son out for a quiet day.

Let's just drop it.

Giz...the mod..

[Musicman]

SF, I agree 100%!!! I fish for the friendships and the relationships that come from fishing. Some of the best people I've met have been through the fishign network. Most fisherpeople know this! With that in mind, i've been with SF at Herman Creek and have learned to fish it with the flyrod. WE don't poach/floss or keep illegally hook fish, Lord know the first time I was there and hooked a fish legally, but outside the mouth, I was ready to keep it. SFsuggested we let it go. An ethical fisherman, not a snob or purist as most average fisherman call 'em, but someone who genuinely cares about each species. If you don't like the fishery, then don't fish there. People congregate to thte fish and it will not change, thank you SF for opening my eyes to HC and the other fisheries that I visit. :angel: :cheers: :dance: :dance: :dance:

[rob allen]

I was just relaying the first impressions of someone who had never been there and knew nothing about it.. i guess all the people ann the trash and the fish coming in backwards turned him off.. before we walked down there i told him nothing at all...

[Musicman]

One point on a graph does not a trend make.....keep in mind that going on a weekend will constitute a weekend mode....alot of fishermen won't fish an area like HC or Eagle Creek on the weekends due to the snagfest and other ilegal activities.. in my opinion your presentation was skewed to begin with....statistically speaking! Take him there on a Wednesday morning when SF &amp; I are there and you will see illegal activity.....but, you will see people fishing ethically and in a sportsmen like manner. So, in short....take you dig cam and vid cam and tape people where ever you like doing illegal activites....they abound everywhere. Just let the sleeping dog lie.....thanks...this is my $.02 worth. :cheers: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

[steelhead86]

The sad truth is have personally seen the same type
of behavior on the NFL, EFL, Kalama, Washougal, Drano
Lake just to name a few. It's not just Herman Creek.
There is a reason I try not to fish on weekends!

Now with that said - my personal worst experience in
going on 19 years of fly fishing in the NW just
happened to be on the NF Umpua. Could not believe how
rude and "this is my river" type attitudes that I
ran into. Figured a famous fly fishing river would
have very curteous and well mannered people - well,
I was wrong. Took several trips to that particular
river before finally running into some nice people.

SF - not to worry about the HC thing, your fly worked
in a river with moving water where you had to search
for the fish. I bet they will also work on the
NF Umpqua - I know mine do!

:cheers:

[rob allen]

There is a reason i only fish weekends it's called work

[rob allen]

Your comments about the NU are totally false I have found in the course of a few hundred days of fishing it and talking to hundreds of anglers there that it is the most courteous river with the highest ethics anywhere in the world.



Close all terminal fisheries! end hatchery steelhead production!

[steelhead86]

Sorry Rob - what happened - happened. Maybe it was
just my timing - but the people that I ran into many
years ago where not very pleasant - they acted like
they owned the river and how dare someone else share
a 200 yard stretch of river. Even when you started
above them to work a stretch. Even got sneared at and
cussed at for catching fish - it happened. The worst
part - they where fellow fly fishermen. At the time -
it was a complete turn off for me personally to hang
out with other fly fisher's because of what happened
on that river. That was a long time ago - hopefully
the attitudes have changed from what I experienced
on that particular river.

:cheers:

[wade]

Since we got ordered to abandon the original topic and it has gotten onto the N Umpqua I'll comment on that. Rob, my limited experience with the fly water especially the camp water is, folks stay tight-lipped and in fact generally forgo the cordial howdy doos that I have come to expect from fellow fisherman especially flyfishers. Meeting someone on the trail I've come to expect a head nod and nothing more. The last time I was there a trio of what was likely a grampa/father/son was fishing the Lower Boat. I really wanted to fish the Upper Boat and there appeared to be plenty of room but at the time I didn't realize it was a separate run. I got within 20' of the uppermost gentlemen and quietly gave the morning greeting not wanting to spook the fish but was seeking the opportunity to ask permission to fish above him. Getting no response I repeated myself and the response I got was a smirk and a head shake like I'd tossed a rock into his pool or something, at no point did he even look at me. I headed downstream and promptly fell on my butt in the Kitchen before heading on down. After swinging 'til the sun was bright and my hand was starting to show fatique from carpal tunnel syndrome I headed out and on my way noticed those 3 folks were still standing in what looked to be the exact footprints they'd been in a few hours ago. I know they may not be typical but still unless I'm in the Steamboat Inn and find a loner its every man for himself up there and by gawd stay away from me buddy.

Kevin

[wade]

Since posting my above comments I have given it more thought and would extend the tight-lipped noncordial behavior not only to strangers, but those I know as well. Certainly the N Umpqua its a well-guarded fishery and rightly so, but Rob for you to somehow put those participants on a pedestal is waaay out to lunch.

Kevin

[Gizmo Man]

It is not too often that I have shut a thread down. Since this one is now going no where fast, I have decided to lock it.

Please, lets keep this section a positive and helpful part of ifish.

Giz...