Idaho approves two- pole prmt for anadromous

[Irie1]

Beginning in 04. Yes it's true.With all the troubles that Idaho has had with their fish. How can this be justified? Now, I'm begginning to really think about my ethics and if I should add more pole holders to the drifter and sled.

[ 11-04-2003, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: Irie1 ]

[freespool]

I personaly think it's a good idea for here in Oregon. Extra pole means extra money for lisence,extra moeney means extra fishing opertunities. Bag limit stays the same,all other rules are the same.

[id. painter]

It has no effect on how many fish you get to kill.
I think that would be the reasoning. id. p.

[Irie1]

Ah yes. But what about the federal offense of harassing an endangered species?

[BonkBonkBonk]

great, now all the dumb rednecks who arnt cool like small fry will be able to snag 2 fish at a time :rolleyes:
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[ 11-05-2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: BonkBonkBonk ]

[Irie1]

Hah. :laugh: Ambidextrious snagging. That sounds like it would be fun in Alaska where it's legal to snag in the salt. Now if Alaska would just follw suit. :dance:

[BrokeItOff]

I don't see much wrong with this. In fact I will do it, of course with the wife and kids in the boat there won't be much of a chance to do it.
I can hardly wait to see some guy by himself fishing two rods on the Clearwater hook a big B run fish. Between the fish, the other rod and keeping his boat in order this might be rather humorous, I know it would be if it were me.

[id. painter]

In Canada you can fish two rods. You had better get the first rod in the boat before you grab the one with the fish on it. You get wrapped up fighting the fish and forget about the other stuff hanging in the water,downrigger ball ect... then the next thing you know is you have a heck of a tangle and loose your fish. Sure keeps a guy busy though. id. p.

[FEAR NO FISH!]

You just keep the auto pilot engaged and take the fish up the rail. Then net the fish on that side. Of course I think that is how it would work. :wink: :cheers:

[Small Fry]

Hay bonkbonk :rolleyes: Some of us rednecks aint all that bad. :tongue:

[ 11-04-2003, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Small Fry ]

[Mojo]

Idaho has had the 2 pole permit (for an additional $12.50) for several years. It is an enforcment nightmare to have waters open for anadromous fish and other species, and have to have everyone reel in their lines to check terminal gear just to see if they are fishing for anadromous fish or not. Heck, sometimes I fish for cats with shrimp and a corkie...

I think if you are going to do it, do it for all species. Do I wanna hook 2 springers at the same time NO-WAY!

[Mojo]

Irie1, where did you hear this? I looked all over the IDF&G website and couldn't find a thin about it...just curious.

[Rubber Boot]

Number 1..It makes good sense. Number 2...It aint none of our biz in Oregon how Idaho manages its wild life. I have lived in both states and I believe the Idaho Fish and Game commish is heads and shoulders above the idiots that make the rules in Oregon

[Irie1]

Friday Oct.31 Spokesman-Review.Sports page c6. Also sais that they're increasing the daily(steelhead) creel limit to 9 in possession and 20 for the season. The new limits are already in effect for the remainder of the fall season, and carry over into the new year.Where they get their info? :shrug: Might call the IF&G commission

[ 11-04-2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Irie1 ]

[Mojo]

Thanks. I believe it, I just want to make sure before I chuck out another lure. Might come in handy hog lining on the Clearwater.

[Born to Fish]

Yeh,...what Rubber Boot said! graemlins/applause.gif

I've been paying the extra money for two pole permit since Idaho first established that ruling. Do I think that this is detrimental to any species...heck no! The bag limits set the standard for allowable harvests - not the number of rods you're using. This simply gives you the opportunity to try different presentations at the same time, and if it gets too busy for you, there's no one saying you can't bring in that 2nd line - it's simply a matter of common sense.

Speaking of common sense, I remember when the law first took affect the sports writer [Pete Z.] in the Idaho Statesman went on record saying he was against the two pole permit - stating for example that he couldn't imagine anyone in their right mind trying to fly fish with two rods. Go figure.... graemlins/stupid.gif graemlins/dork.gif I haven't read an article of his since. :hoboy: What a mental midget. :tongue:

[ 11-04-2003, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Born to Fish ]

[Mojo]

Dean check your Private Messages...

[Irie1]

So What you saying, B2F, when I load the boat with a number of people and they all want to run two plugs on the Snake or Clearwater that,that is not detrimental to an endangered species?

[pearl]

I would gladly pay the extra dollars for the extra rod. $10.00 to $20.00 bucks per year would be fair and would bring in alot of dollars to shore up some of the budget shortfalls we now encounter. Say hatchery programs ?

It would be great to troll for springers in the Willamette with one prawn set up and another with herring or an experimental rod. Still going to go home after I catch two. If I remember right, there has been some very very initial talks by the ODFW last year about a two rod per person on the Willamette for Springers. Proposed limit was still two and all hatchery fish with an adipose fin went back in the water.

Multiple rods have been used on the Great Lakes for some time now and they have been better for it.

And as a final thought.... what would be more fun than four guys trolling with eight rods, or 5 guys and 10 rods, or 6 guys and 12 rods. :grin: I think were talking a mess.

"HONEY ! I need to go to Fishermans and buy a new rod and reel. Better get you a new one to!

[ 11-04-2003, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: pearl ]

[Mojo]

Irie1, What difference does it make if Born to Fish and I are running 4 rods in my boat, or if I take my wife and daughter with us and run 4 rods off my boat. Same number of lures in the water. My sled will run up to 5 lines. After that they macrame themselves into a purse seine. I can't take 5 guys and run 10 rods.

I guess those big guide boats that run 6+ rods should be outlawed.

[Irie1]

Not neccesarily a mess with that many lines, especially if your a gaming individual that likes puzzles.Lake PendOrielle with 3each on two side planers, and 3each on two downriggers and a couple cutt'n the gut, can be fun at times.And yes, FNF nailed it. A TR1 is a must. graemlins/dork.gif I always thought it would funny to wip out the planer boards at say bouy10 in the fall or Bondam in the spring

[Irie1]

Mojo
Just looking for reassurance that I'm not blame when I hook that last native sockey on accident. Or put needless stress on the nates.

[Born to Fish]

Originally posted by Irie1:
So What you saying, B2F, when I load the boat with a number of people and they all want to run two plugs on the Snake or Clearwater that,that is not detrimental to an endangered species? <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Irie1 - what is detrimental to the population is exceeding the legal bag limits and/or quotas. If the authorities are concerned about undo stress or impact on an endangered species they have the option to stop fishing in particular areas while those fish are present so as to further protect them.

I'm not going to get into a big arguement if that is your plan. You're entitled to your opinion, and I have that same right. End of story. :hoboy:

[ 11-04-2003, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Born to Fish ]

[Irie1]

Ok then!


Irie1 gone

[Denali]

Settle down. What will really upset Mojo and Born to fish is when I put out my planer boards on the Clearwater and run 8 lines out the back. I should easily be able to go from one bank to the other, ofcourse I'll leave a little room for Mojo's sled to pass thru.

[Mojo]

I don't need no stinkin' room, I'll just cut in below you and drop my lines there :grin: .

Irie1,
I don't think the 2 pole permit will negatively affect the fisheries. It is permissable for White Sturgeon. They are in worse shape than meny fish species in Idaho. As for your fear of hooking an endangered sockeye, only 19 WILD sockeye have returned to the state in the last 10 years. Since I can barely hook a steelie when there are 150,000 in the Snake River Drainage, the chances of hooking one of the 2 WILD sockeyes (or the maybe 15 hatchery raised ones annually returning) is pretty minimal. As for stressing the nates, I think the gillnets and Sea Lions on the Columbia take care of that.

You don't have to worry about over stressing these fish. The IDF&G keeps a pretty tight eye on these things. Dean's right, they would (and have) shut down the fishery as soon as things get tough for the fish.

[byteme]

Just looking for reassurance that I'm not blame when I hook that last native sockey on accident. Or put needless stress on the nates. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">If you are worried about stressing the nates you had better quit fishing, even with one pole, because you are going to catch (stress) one, and if you do hook the last native Sockeye you better blow your retirement money on lottery tickets 'cus you are way too lucky.

Mojo- It is on F&G website. News releases-Oct 20-under heading "Commission Approves fishing Rule Changes".

All it says is "The two pole permit will be legal for anadromous fishing as it is now for resident species."

I thought the two pole only applied to lakes and impoundments (I'm probably wrong) but I couldn't find anything specific in the reg's about what waters it applies to.

[hookem]

I like the idea for here. I have a tackle box fill of stuff I would like to try more often, but most of the time its not what is considerd the hot bait for the conditions. LIke alvins in the spring or prowns in the fall. 2 poles and you can play around with that stuff.

[SKP]

hookem has it right. Prawns in fall, Alvins in spring. Experiment with the second rod.

What if you get a double going? :grin: :grin: :grin:

SKP

[Mojo]

byteme,
The two pole permit is currently legal in any waterway, for any species except anadromous salmon and steelhead. It stated that in the regs when it was first approved. I think now it only says that on page 4 where it shows the fee for permits and validations.

Also on page 10 of the regs it explains the whole 2 pole thing...

[James in Idaho]

Cool! Now I can run a side planer and drift fish at the same time. Like that will help me catch more fish---NOT! Oh yeah, the creel limit is three steelhead per day. Not that I'll ever catch three in a day.

[BonkBonkBonk]

on another note, it sure would be nice to be able tpoo plunk for salmon/steelhead, and fish for bass or something on the lower slamon

[Cap'n Ron]

Plunkin is about the only way I can see being able to manage fishing for s/s this way. Except for trolling with 2 people and 4 lines. Even with 2 people I dont know how you're going to get 3 lines out of the way of a hot fish before it creates a big mess.

I have taken advantage of the 2 pole permit in the past while fishing for pikeminnows but it proved to be more of a hassel than it was worth.
I guess I just dont have the talent or the trotline mentality do manage the whole thing.

[garyk]

If you want revenue, why stop at two? Why not 3, 4, or 5?

In fisheries like Tillamook Bay's fall chinook - primarily wild fish with no overall harvest limit - the result will be killing more fish. More lines equals more opporuntunity = more dead fish.

Angling is about sport and recreation. Multiple lines speaks more to subsistance fishing, rather then recreational angling.

Long ago waterfowl hunting went to single guns, and three-shell-capacity to promote sport over consumption and conserve waterfowl.

Our population is only increasing and placing more pressures on our salmonid fisheries and competition between anglers. Multiple rods is an attractive concept and should remain just that - only an idea kicked about on the internet.

[Rubber Boot]

Cool...I vote for 10! Sounds like hysteria to me. Let the Idaho people manage their fish. We had our chance at em....they are lucky any get that far.

[salmurai]

I quit buying the two pole permit. It is just too much of a hassle when the bite is "on". One rod is plenty. To each his own.....

[BonkBonkBonk]

can you imagine fishing the confulesence of the little and big salmon if everyone had 2 poles out? :shocked: graemlins/stupid.gif

[NorthRiverS]

I am all for allowing a second rod. I would pay whatever they wanted. There have been numerous times I have fished with one other person, and wished we could each put out another line just to get a different lure in the water. I doubt if I would take many more fish in a year. Also, since they are hatchery fish, that money could go to help the ODFW continue the hatchery program. I see this as a win-win situation for fisherman and the ODFW. Come on ODFW: Can you say "$$$$$$$$" :wink:
NS

[TarponSlayer]

Two poles rock!
It's fun to fish differrent depths,lures, combinations to find out what works. Doubles are a hoot when your by youself and hook a Mackinaw and a Kamaloop :dance: in the wind at Pend Oreille.
Trust me more poles doesn't always mean more fish.
But it does guarantee some rats nests in the bottom of your boat before the days out.
Oh yeah, I've seen Mojo's boat and 5 would be "dreamin" :bowdown:

"FHEC"