View Full Version : If I had to guess, snagger...........(pic)
An long time friend of mine called me last night and talked me into going bobber fishing today. Pretty hard to do, talk me into going fishing. Anyhow, we hooked and landed a few and I kept a bronze hen. When we brought it into the boat, it had this gash on the side......
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/151116305.jpg
I would guess it was from a snagger down lower trying to filet and gut the fish with the hook set. What would you say? Seal?
TCM
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STGRule
11-02-2003, 04:29 PM
Doesn't look anything like a seal bite. I'm guessing you nailed the cause.
Bobby Ray
11-02-2003, 05:52 PM
(Raspy voice) That's going to smoke up just fine :wink:
Kinebra
11-02-2003, 06:36 PM
I've never seen a "carp" with a snag like that? :sick: Did you catch that on popcorn or a cig. but.?
Thanks ZaQ I stayed and fished for a while longer, you didn't miss anything!
KingFisher85
11-02-2003, 06:55 PM
seal or prop but thats no hook mark
Mrdorkfish
11-02-2003, 07:08 PM
Uh...i'm gonna have to say..where the gash originated it's deep and round...not a snagger..(IMO) Also, Wise decision on keeping that fish...The color of the meat from the pic is wonderful..I have caught fish on the Nestucca like that and they were yummie :grin: Some of us know how to prepare fish and some don't :shrug: Ain't nutt'n wrong wit that fish :smile:
MrDorkfish graemlins/dork.gif
Louis
Zaq,
Big Bluefin Tuna. Only thing around that'll take a hunk of meat like that... :grin:
Looks suspicious to me...
Fshklr
11-02-2003, 07:20 PM
Bobber water? Tidal or interior?
tidal...seal, prop, etc
interior..could be anything.
Looks like the culprit while pulling on the hook made a slice with his knife for hook removal. :shrug: or a nice miss by mr. seal :shrug:
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STGRule
11-02-2003, 07:22 PM
Well if was a seal it was missing it's starboad canine tooth and all it's bottom teeth.
Dr Strangelove
11-02-2003, 07:30 PM
Coroner's Report II: The real answer lies in the two diagonally matching gashes at 4:00 to the large wound. The only thing which could put this pattern of damage into a fish and then rip out a chunk of flesh pulling the skin back with it would be the inward curved teeth of a great white shark taking a large bite and missing all but a tasty morsel.
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Jimmy Carl Black
11-02-2003, 07:55 PM
Well, the only thing clear on this thread is that no less than 3 people do not know what they are talking about. (In terms of gashes on fish I mean.)
That gash, by the way, is from a geoduck. :tongue:
dampainter
11-02-2003, 08:05 PM
looks like a wound from a treble hook to me graemlins/eek13.gif
I looked at it again this evening, it doesn't look like a bite of any kind. Prop maybe, but pretty small for a prop. Hook dug into the side and than pulled on until it peeled some flesh away, uh yup.
SNAGGERS............. graemlins/icon_argue.gif graemlins/berry.gif
The asian ladies at my work that this fish is going to don't care one bit about a gash or color. They cry with delight when I present a fish to them......I am happy to catch a fish and get some nice eggs, they are happy to get a fresh fish. Happiness is good...
STGRule
11-02-2003, 09:43 PM
Zaq, I know what it was. It was a "love bite' from this!! (http://www.ifish.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=030307)
Salmonator
11-02-2003, 10:19 PM
Anybody that thinks that wound was caused by a snagger is nuts.. STG rule, you watch too much CSI... :tongue:
STGRule
11-02-2003, 10:22 PM
How did you know that was my favorite show???
Salmonator
11-02-2003, 10:27 PM
lucky guess graemlins/dork.gif
The Overfishin Condition
11-02-2003, 10:42 PM
Yeah I'm gonna have to say a negatory on the snagging too. Looks more like a claw mark or something, could be teeth, anything along the coast that would swipe at something like that? I don't know, the initial hole where the tearing starts from looks to massive to be a hook, and then a hook wouldn't pull that much skin off. If I didn't know any better I'd say bear, but I think I do. graemlins/eek13.gif
KChookem
11-02-2003, 11:05 PM
I'd have to say a Sea Lion with its large jaws and canine teeth.
MasterCaster
11-02-2003, 11:36 PM
Looks more like it was caused by a stick to me. I caught a springer last year that had a piece of a stick stuck all the way through it and into the inner cavity just behind the gillplate and it was a round hole with the skin pealed back kinda like that but smaller.
Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:
Steelhead Hound
11-03-2003, 12:00 AM
Maybe a racoon??? I have seen a fair amount of nasty snag marks but this doesn't fit the profile to well... but maybe???
thousandcasts
11-03-2003, 08:49 AM
Geez...I thought we only had to worry about drunken, redneck snaggers here in Michigan (and other surrounding areas). Sorry to hear that snagging is much more widespread plague. :mad:
BUGLEMAN
11-03-2003, 08:49 AM
It was from a mature bull elk. This time of year, as the rut is winding down large bulls are voracious eaters and will sometimes go carnivoristick in thier search for easy protien. That is a bite from an elk. See how the front tooth pierced the skin and since elk don't have bottom teeth you can see how the lower gums just bruised the skin. The bite was probably made by a mature 7 point.
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Gun Rod Bow
11-03-2003, 09:04 AM
Hate to try to be serious on this thread but...not a hook, look at the "bloodshot" at the bottom of the wound.
Bite or other impact. Possibly natives with pointy sticks standing on little wooden platforms. :laugh:
IM0, that is where Zaq cut his hook out before he jabbed it in the chops with his pliers :grin: :hoboy: :grin:
Miss B Haven
11-03-2003, 11:44 AM
Looks to me like it had a Lamprey on it and something pulled the Lamprey off (rather quickly I might add). Kinda like pulling out a tick without the heat first. :shocked: :sick: graemlins/1zhelp.gif
Predator Dawg
11-03-2003, 01:01 PM
Looks more like a rattlesnake bite to me. I think his fangs got hung up on Zaq's snagging rig and when he tried to pull off it peeled the skin back. The hunk of meat that is missing is from the pliers cranking out the hook(s) and the needlenose dug into the flesh. :grin:
Wreckless
11-03-2003, 02:08 PM
My guesses:
1. Otter
2. Spearfisherman
3. Alien abduction
in that order.
Hey....maybe "carrot milk" is code for speargun! :wink: :tongue:
twoboy110
11-03-2003, 02:11 PM
My guess is "prop" damage
Get Bent
11-03-2003, 02:23 PM
looks like a treble hook could have been harpooned in the bay by a spinner
Salmon Stryker
11-03-2003, 02:26 PM
Just knowing the past history of Zaq's posts and the rest of the carrot clan, I would have to say that he cut the fish with a knife and put the picture on here to stir up a lot of response. He's probably sitting at his computer laughing uncontrolably at everyones responses. graemlins/program.gif :grin: :grin:
Drakeblake
11-03-2003, 03:15 PM
Ill second the lamprey post by miss b haven.
-blake
Fshklr is right on ! :cheers:
Someone snagged this fish in the side ( intentionally or not). They worked some at getting the hook out, but were stymied by the barb graemlins/dork.gif (thus causing the contusion at the extreme left of the wound.)
They then became very frustrated, lifted the skin by the hook and sliced their hook out of the side of the fish. Look carefully at the skin edge just to the left of the contusion. It's a beveled cut edge. A sharp knife made this wound, probably to save a spinner or plug. Pretty sick way to treat a fish.
OKKKKKKKKKK, this went somewhere I didn't expect. I love some of the answers....especially the one about the heron. It didn't look like a bite. But what do I know, thanks for the input everyone.
:cheers:
Jennie@ifish
11-03-2003, 07:06 PM
I'm sorry ZaQ... You started this...
There are many other things it could be... such as...
Some dork was weed eating his grass down by the river bank. This fish rolled in close and was tangled up in the weed cord. The motor spun against it's hide and ripped a good piece of flesh off......I don't know.
Don't get me wrong, there are alot of funny posts on this thread. I love it, thanks again for the humor everyone.... :grin:
Riverkeeper
11-03-2003, 10:54 PM
Was that about an 18-20 lb hen? I released that fish on friday. When I land a fish that is of questionable quality, rather than make a cut in the side of the fish to see the flesh color, I just take a bite. That one was kind of bland and a little mushy, so back she went.
If memory serves, you've done this a time or two, right ZaQ?
Originally posted by BUGLEMAN:
It was from a mature bull elk. This time of year, as the rut is winding down large bulls are voracious eaters and will sometimes go carnivoristick in thier search for easy protien. That is a bite from an elk. See how the front tooth pierced the skin and since elk don't have bottom teeth you can see how the lower gums just bruised the skin. The bite was probably made by a mature 7 point. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Bugleman is right, I've seen elk swim miles out to sea just for a little nookie. They are often just discounted as dead-heads in the water, but are really elk on the hunt. But I disagree with the size of the elk. The size and shape of the bite wound is more represenative of a younger bull with sharper teeth like a 5x5.
Cohoangler
11-04-2003, 12:51 AM
Okay, I'll give this one a try.
It's a wound from a blue heron. Believe it or not, herons will often try to catch and eat fish that are far larger than they are capable of swallowing. The deep gash was likely from the pointed bill. The tear was likely from the bill catching only skin and tearing it away as it tried to lift it out of the water.
The only trouble with this explaination is that salmon don't usually inhabitat water shallow enough for a heron, except if it's actively spawning. And this fish does not look mature enough to spawn. But that's the best I can do.....
What do you mean, a time or two? I do it to every fish if it is not a springer. I will fillet off a piece by the tail to check meat color before I keep any fall fish............. :rolleyes: graemlins/berry.gif :sick: :hoboy: graemlins/dork.gif :shrug:
Degner
11-04-2003, 08:37 AM
That was obviously caused by a duck.
salmoncatcher
11-04-2003, 02:20 PM
i accidently snagged a whitefish on the galitan river and it had a wound similar to that.
Nanook
11-04-2003, 03:29 PM
http://www.ifish.netpictures/speargun.gif
:grin:
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IFISH4U
11-04-2003, 06:12 PM
Looks like a tule, probably the rest of the skin was peeling off as well, just kidding, but that definitley wasnt a hook that did that, no way possible, kinda wierd, maybe it got stuck between a couple of jagged rocks down there or something, or somehow a seal.
stlhdr1
11-04-2003, 08:48 PM
For those of you who don't have a clue.....
Sea Lions and seals have CLAWS and use them to catch a fish. Typically you'll see claw marks along with "gashes" such as this. Too many salmon these days have these marks....
Here's some evidence for those that think seal's and sea lions have ping-pong-paddle-like-hands...
It is thought that members of this family probably had a bear-like ancestor. They are characterized by visible ear pinnae, long, winding necks, fore flippers which are long and almost hairless, with thin webbing and rudimentary claws. Hind flippers are long, webbed and almost hairless. They can be turned forward for movement on land. The two outer hind flipper claws are rudimentary while the middle three are well developed. Their tails are distinct and free from the body. They move themselves through the water by using penguin-like strokes of the fore flippers. Movement on land is achieved by supporting the body on all four limbs.
Keith
:grin:
onebadfish
11-04-2003, 10:13 PM
that is the obvious work of a squid beak. that's how it looks when a couple of those freaky critters gets there eye on the same piece of meat.
West Linn Wader
11-06-2003, 09:37 AM
I'm thinkin' Yeti.....
GS/WLW
Blue Tip Spinner
11-06-2003, 10:41 AM
i was out on the bay a couple weeks ago and saw an eagle or hawk feeding on a chinook that grounded itself on a sand bar during the outgoing tide. that could have been one of the lucky fish that got bit by the eagle and found enough water to make a getaway. any objections? (csi is my favorite show also :grin: )
Degner
11-06-2003, 10:49 AM
Solar wind damage
Twitchs_Tackle
11-06-2003, 10:50 AM
Clearly Sasquatch, he's to blame for most our fish problems. (At least those not created by the aliens) :whazzup:
Now wait a minute, I like the hawk theory. I can see it sticking it's beak in there where the hole is and ripping some of the flesh and skin up......
Hmmmm, good one.
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Kentucky Hog Hunter
11-06-2003, 07:13 PM
How about the CSI theme again and the salmon was being interrogated by another salmon for eating grandpa's lunch and the salmon kept lying so the investigator salmon burned a cigerette hole in him to get the truth out of him :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Plum Crazy
11-06-2003, 07:50 PM
I think I saw that exact fish at the Seattle Market place a while ago. :shocked: Strangest thing, Guy goes to throw it across the store and the reciever misses him droping the fish onto the floor. It was amazing. As he fell a dog slashed and bit the poor fish tearing it's skin until he was released into a nearby street drain. He was last seen heading Southwest via Puget Sound to the Wide open Ocean. Last reports were he was headed to Mexico with a lay over in an Oregon Coastal river. Just happened to get mad and hit your bait out of pure frustration. :grin:
I know slow news day huh.
Sorry,
Fire :cheers: