New rules for the class ads.

[Jennie@ifish]

Sturgeon Tom has suggested something that I think has a lot of merit. This is what we are proposing:

Ifish is a group of people that I believe, help one another. We also help and contribute BACK to ifish.

In order to use the class ads, from now on, you must contribute to ifish, by having at least 15 fishing posts to the community.

We were thinking that if you'd like to use the class ads, without being a member, you may, for a small fee.

It's just not fair for ifish to pay for your uploaded images and bandwidth, if all you want to do is to use our portal for your sales and purchases.

Please comment here, if you would like, but I think our minds are pretty set.

I think it's reasonable to insist that you are a contributing member before you use our services.

Other rules are,

No linking to e bay or other like auctions.
No "posting this for a friend"
No commerical sales.

The Classifieds section of ifish is for one time private sales. Multiple production of one item may not be continuously advertised. These boards use, excludes any legal business, unless those businesses are specifically Ifish vendors.
www.ifish.net (http://www.ifish.net) assumes no responsibility for items bought, sold or traded.
Transactions are between private individuals and normal caution should be exercised.
We suggest a donation for continued free use of this area.

Also, see this link! (http://www.ifish.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002212)

We also depend on you, the member, to notify us of when your sales are no longer needed on the board. We also appreciate notification of someone else's sale complete, in case the person doing the sale, forgets.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter~!

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Jen

[El-Kabong]

Jennie,

I think that is a great idea! Support that 100%.
I also think that 15 might be a little low. I am personally suspect of items for sale from low post users. Maybe 25 posts.

Maybe charge for the serve based on the number of posts.

ie < 10 posts ad is $10, 10 - 25 posts $8, 25-50 posts $7 etc... After 307 posts the ad is free!

EK

[ 09-29-2003, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: El-Kabong ]

[TheRogue]

I think 15 is a little low...but the idea is fantastic!!

Kudos...

TR

[Crabby]

Being a new member, (that has not used the classifieds yet.) I agree with you on your suggestions. I also think that 15 posts is a little short. Anybody could go on and post 15 in a day\afternoon. Most wouldn't do it if they had to accomplish say, 100. You might also want to implement a couple week holding pattern after they accomplish the specified postings as a secondary firewall, so to say.

Thank you for offering Ifish.net.

[Phil Layer]

I totally support that plan. There are a lot of items on the ads posted by people with "1" as there post count. :hoboy:

That just ain't right.

[kenaifishn]

There are a few of us members that don't get a lot of posts, I will log on and read a post and feel I have some input, but will read down the reply's and see someone else has said what I would have posted.

I'm also not one to post high fives, smilies, after each fish picture. However this would get my post counts up though.

I get a lot of info here and when I get a chance will I do post some ideas and fishing reports.

So,I'm all for a $donation but don't see how someone with 15 or even 100+ posts has contributed to ifish with a bunch of graemlins.

my .02$

[foxer]

At least 25 posts, or maybe 3 months membership??

[D/F]

Good idea :grin: :dance:

[TheRogue]

50 posts
-or-
3 months membership

TR

[crabbait]

Concur with the Rogue.

[Steelheadgreen]

Sounds fair enough to me graemlins/applause.gif

[Thumper]

I think it should take at least 2,100 posts. :tongue:

[Fish'n'Chips]

I think that is a great idea ...whew that makes post 15 for me

[Jennie@ifish]

I do think that 50 is more like it.

Let me try and figure out some other way, for people who want to come in and post that don't have that many posts.

Suggestions?

Jen

[Adofish]

Another vote for "Great idea".

[Jennie@ifish]

I'm back down to the 15 requirement. Why? Because some people just don't post that often. Like Pete said, "Certainly your first posts should not be using the class ads."

I feel that way. Some people just don't have an extra opinion after 50 people have voiced theirs. :smile:

So, let's leave it at 15?

No "Fry" members are allowed to post ads.
Thank you to Sturgeon Tom for kicking me into gear and finally doing something about this!
Jen

Jen

[Reelentless]

OK!

1 more post for me! :tongue:

[Birdnest]

Hey Kenaifishn... graemlins/idea.gif ,nevermind.

Joe

[dawhunt]

Good idea Jennie.Its about time,I don't think it would hurt us one bit to give say 10% of the sale back to i-fish for support of i-fish either.
Bob

[Jennie@ifish]

Northriverman, the point is to c o n t r i b u t e !!! Either fishing info, or whatever!
:smile:

[HOGGEMIN]

I would agree on at least 15 or more posts but dissagree on posts for friends some people don't use puters and the stuff for sale is being bought by ifishers. just my .02 cents worth.

[Jennie@ifish]

Right. So if they don't contribute to ifish, then why should I supply their bandwidth and their for sale audience for free?
Jen

[wannacatchem]

Jen

I agree on the higher limit of posts. However, what if a friend is WANTING TO BUY a specific item? I have posted for a friend looking for a car trailer. I have never posted for anybody other than myself trying to sell something. just something to think about. Maybe slpit it into "wanted" and "For Sale" groups

[Jennie@ifish]

You can buy from ifish members without a membership at all. It's the posting in the for sale area that the rules are written for.
Thanks,
Jen

[Surething]

sounds like a good idea

[drhall99]

Jennie,

The only arguement that I have (and it's a minor thing, at that) is that I have told non members to post their stuff here when I thought it was a good deal that some one on ifish would enjoy, i.e. a great deal on a drift boat, etc..

D.

[Sixpack]

By using 15 or 20 you allow new members to use the service as well as old veterans....Who knows the new kid on the block might have just what the old pro was looking for....However I do think it would be prudent to charge a bassic rate for adds.

[Jennie@ifish]

I know. I've thought of all the flip side stuff, and you are right. There will be missed opportunities. But, I have to make these rules to make it fair to the ifishers that do contribute.

I'm sorry to those that will miss out. But they can always join up, contribute and then place an ad!
Jen

[Drifter02]

Just a few cents worth. I have been a reader for over two years now. I have read tales of many fish caught, many prayers requested, boats lost in the clackamas, new ways to rig for more action. I have purchased a driftboat from a guide advertising on Ifish and linked to Willie's site when I needed information on my sled. When Jennie called for people to go to Salem and show support for the ODFW funding, I showed up , when they had a pizza and greet in Milwaukie , I got a chance to meet several of the voluble and interesting writers that frequent this site. All and all I think i'm a good , solid internet citizen. But I am a lousy fisherman, so I don't have many stories about the ones that were caught, or even the ones that got away. So i am one of the quiet ones. I don't post daily or weekly or hardly ever at all. Someday I hope to post a picture of a modestly large salmon but I fear the shock and subsequent grinning attack will kill me before any photographic evidence can be obtained. My point being , some people are listeners , but they are still valuble to the functionality of the system. Don't judge by the posts.

[Grain of Salt]

I think I have your solution, let's make the person who uses the classifieds the most pay for it all.....Bill Monroe...watch his checks tho.....


just teasin, and contributing.....still no silvers below the clackamas in the willamette

[clearview2u]

Great Idea

[Hooker]

Great idea. If it costs you money, we should pass the costs on to the people. I think 15 posts is low. 25-50 would be good

[jokester]

Sounds like a good idea to me......

[Vinny]

Rather than; No posting for a friend, perhaps a modified fee for a friend (or acquaintance).
Hopefully, folks will be honest enough not to engage in commercial sales.

[ 09-29-2003, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Vinny ]

[willametteriveroutlaw]

Sounds like a good plan to me.. Min should be atleast 25, 50 sounds even better.

[Jennie@ifish]

Drifter, you are a certified ifisher no matter how many posts you have. There are always exceptions. :smile:

All you have to do is write to me. I have prior approved several things against the regular policies.

Jen

[glowball]

:cheers:

[Bill Monroe]

I think it should be 2,200 posts to sell, but anyone can buy anytime...that would take care of me...

Seriously, Jen...that all makes sense...

[will_e_fish]

I agree with more posting. Should I have blown the whistle on a guy I bought an electric motor from last year. I think he joined ifish just to sell and I havent seen him post since. I am sure I have seen others only post in the classified as well. I have made my first classified ad after 461 posts.

[ 09-30-2003, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: will_e_fish ]

[Jennie@ifish]

Since we are going to do this, it will take all members diligence in watching for people who are fry members posting.
Remember, if you use the alert feature to alert us, (which is in the upper right corner of any post) the poster will not know who you are, and no bad feelings will result. Except, towards me! :smile:
But that's OK. I'm getting a tough skin, and I think most people can understand why this rule is in place.

Jen

[buzzerbaby]

so for clarification what is the post minimum, I currently have a boat for sale in that section and don't want to be breaking the new rules. :smile:

[fishrunner]

I agree with the drifter. I am an often listener and seldom poster. By being those things I don't think that my opinion doesn't matter, or that I may not have some advice for someone else, or that I may not want to purchase anothers items or sell a looked for item. How is that for a run on sentence!

My point is this, I learned long ago that it is not necessarily the loudest (most posts) that makes the difference but sometimes the wisdom comes from those who speak the least.

This board is so cool in that everyone can share here. I don't understand why we would want to limit someone from selling something that others are looking for. If it is not a wanted item, it won't sell anyway. If it sells, then it is for the betterment of the fishermen/fisherwomen on this board. I think the problem will take care of itsself without making any specific rules here.

Just some thoughts from Fishrunner........often "lurker" and seldom talker.

[Jennie@ifish]

I understand that side of things, too. I have thought through that.
Oh, by the way, if you posted an ad before the 15 post minimum rule came out, you are free and clear.
OK, so if some people are good, lasting members who don't want to post much, but want to use the classifieds, how will I know that you are not just someone coming on here to take advantage of what we offer?
I feel OK paying for bandwidth and useage for members who contribute... Who give back to make ifish what it is. You can do this in several ways.. Posting, attending meetings, writing letters to government, fighting for a good cause, or donating to help with costs to maintain ifish.

The 15 post minimum is a start. Like I said, there are exceptions. I just don't know how to monitor people who are taking advantage, and people who are honestly good, long standing members who do contribute.

But, I gotta start somewhere! I honestly cannot keep this up, financially, or in physical work load for everyone.

I wish that Sturgeon Tom, who thought of the idea, would help me out here! TOM!?!?!?!

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Jen