Jig Fishing polite way of Snagging?

[reeldick]

I have yet to master fishing with a jig. One of my fishing partners has caught fish after fish on jigs in several different locations including tidewater areas of the Trask.I know for a fact he is not snagging because he gets hit on the drop. As he is lowering his jig with a rapid drop, his rod bends and just keeps going. Then he sets the hook. This guy doesn't cast out. He fishes directly under the boat, close along the bank in deep holes. I have never seen him yank on the upswing but lift gently. Even with the slow up
lift, he does occasionally hit a fish. With single hooks, they are easily released.

[NEUTRON]

reeldick is right on the money...the work well if used in the right manner.

[Dakotan]

I was a bit shocked at your topic headline as I have salmon/steelhead fished with jigs for two years and have not snagged a fish. I didn't know it was possible with jigs. You must be fishing in areas that are absolutely stocked with fish if this is happening. Bobber and jigs are a very effective method to fish with, especially in the winter time. And especially by those who are bound to the bank.

[NETONE]

I jig quite offen..The first tell tell sign of someone trying to SNAG..is a fast up swing with a then the rod tip dropping fast to the water. To properly jig its a slow up followed by just ever so slighly following the jig back down..I found a few years back if I slowed my up swing I actually stopped fowl hooking fish. The guys that are letting the jig drop with out a follow are just looking for a up swing hook up..And thats just looking for a snag hook up...

[ 09-15-2003, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: NETONE ]

[Miss B Haven]

I believe there are two types of jigs being confused here. graemlins/1zhelp.gif
One is the spoon type jig ( Crocodile or buzz bomb) used at Drano, off the Deschutes, Klickatat etc. The other is the little fuzzy jig fished under a bobber. Very different lures/techniques. :smile:

Seems some people are overly concerned about the use of graemlins/stupid.gif in this post. It was not pointed at anyone, but the fact that there were two different languages being spoken here. Communication breakdowns usually result in graemlins/stupid.gif . Don't ask me how I know this :grin: graemlins/stupid.gif :wink:

[ 09-15-2003, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Miss B Haven ]

[Old Coot]

Never mind, while I was typing, somebody else said it. graemlins/program.gif

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[Fishin Magician]

Amen Miss b Haven..........

[Martin85]

I have fished there twice this year, no fish caught or snagged by people in my boat. The days I was there about 40% were in the mouth the others were snagged and those were by guys mostly running treble hooks.

[Bob Barthlow]

Stew, what Miss B Haven is sayin is correct. The jigs being used up here in the gorge snag way more fish than they fair hook ....(Nordic, Cripple Herring, Crocodile flutter jigs, Buzz Bombs etc.)....on a good day only 30% of the fish will be fair hooked.....on a bad day all are snagged.

A notice to CR jiggers, WDFW & ODFW is cracking down on snagging this last few weeks.... It has to be hooked in the mouth....not from the gill plate forward! ...and don't net a snagged salmon and bring it onboard to release....you must keep it in the water.
While I was trolling @ Drano last week, I saw WDFW ticket a dozen boats for snagging salmon....one boat from Idaho was tricketed wednesday and again on thursday....on thursday besides $500.00 tickets each, they lost all their gear and maybe their boat.

I used to jig salmon back in the late 80's on the CR when it started, but then like now on a good day 3 out of 10 will be fair hooked.

[ 09-15-2003, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: Rapid Robert ]

[Dakotan]

Ahhh, ignorance is bliss I guess. graemlins/dork.gif I understand which jigs you're talking about now.

[Get Bit]

I feel like its more like three techniques being confused here.

1. Buzz Bomb type jigs - Popular and effective in the ocean, B.C., etc. The majority of the fish caught with these in tidewater are snagged. This I'm sure will be argued but this is highly frowned upon in Tillamook, and other tidewater areas etc.

2. Gitzits - tube jigs hung over the edge of the boat's gunnel very still until they feel a twitch and then the hook is set. Have never done it but I know guys that catch alot of fish in the mouth with this technique. I think this is what you're seeing at Drano.

3. Bobber and Jigs - marabou jigs polularized by Bradbury and Beaumac. Very deadly on steelhead. Never seen a fish foul hooked like this.

Just my .02 cents.

Get Bit

[Take Down]

I have had the opportunity to speak with a couple of the well known guides in the past few years who helped popularize jigging for salmon around the river mouths years ago. You remember the giant crocodile lure craze when no one could keep them in stock. :rolleyes: Anyway, almost to a person they have stopped fishing that method due to the number of snagged fish. As they have stated, it can be done correctly by ethical sportsman with an acceptable snag ratio when proper technique is followed. Unfortunately, this technique seems to bring out the knuckledragger crowd that is more than happy to land a salmon at any cost. They have opted for techniques that are equally effective, yet protects our precious fishery resources.

TD

[SalmonJeff]

I dont want o bad mouth my state but it seems to me that the snagging issue is far worse up here then in other states that I have fished. I have seen people that have no problem teaching there kids the " art " of snagging. it is every where I agreee but it seems to be really bad at least on the rivers that I fish. I have seen guys with 10 foot leaders trying to floss salmon and steelhead and also seen guys with just a small lingcod jig bare justing ripping it past fish. either way it is terrible and there has to be a better way of fighting it.

[Nanook]

graemlins/applause.gif Rapid Robert.

[Miss B Haven]

The Croc's and buzz bombs work really well on Lings and Bottom fish. Never snagged one yet. I have snagged them on the Torpedo weights with double double hooks though. :rolleyes:

By the way- many moons back I was with a friend and stopped at the blue hole after a fruitless day of fishing lower on the Wilson. About a 10-11 year old kid was standing on the rock face at the lower end of the hole playing a fish. His dad was watching. We stood and watched him play it and eventually land it. It was a medium dark (a little brown) buck about 40lbs but it was that kids trophy and I don't blame him for keeping it. :smile:
What's the point?? He caught it on a fairly small buzz bomb, which his dad told us before the fish was up. We rolled our eyes and watched. When the fish was netted the buzz bomb was out of site down that big bucks throat. Obviousley a bite and legal hook. Not to say that the snaggers don't use em but then the best snaggers I ever saw were spinner fisherman too! :mad: graemlins/berry.gif

[Nanook]

3 of 10 fair Mel. :shocked:

It's the ratio thing, just like Rapid Robert said it is, even if you are not intentionally trying to snag fish and know how to jig properly. Same with the double corkie, double hook on the bottom rig. :blush:

They always hold up the one in the mouth and say, "SEE," after ripping up many prior
to that one and many after that one. :mad:

To each his own, but you don't need to do it to catch Salmonoids. :depressed:

(Edit for clarification, I am talking about the same thing as Rapid Robert. Not all jigs and jig fishing is polite snagging). :smile:

[ 09-15-2003, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[STGRule]

I use crippled herring for kokes all the time. I like it much better than dragging 6 lbs of stuff arount for a 1/2 lb fish. I have only ever "snagged" a couple fish that way (and yes, they were let go.) It is all in the technique. SLOWLY lift the rod, pause, drop fast, pause, (This is when I usually hook up), and repeat. I have used the same technique for salmon but never have hooked up. I'll keep trying when I'm bored with other things. Slack tide would be a good time to try. I think the tumbling movement with the pause is the way they work the best. Almost no way you can snag that way.

[BigWaterBigFish]

As mentioned on another thread, we were fishing the mouth of the Klickitat this weekend, trolling along ... most of the boats are jig fishing, basically snagging fish. We saw very few fish caught that were legitmately hooked in the mouth. Saw quite a few brought in tail first or sideways. Now most of these were Chinooks that were already turned, black and hooked nose, probably a day or two out from going belly up but still ... doesn't quite sit well with me.
Was curious how other feel about this ... out in the ocean, we use these jigs, the fish hit them and the fight is on. In the river, the guys feel a tap or resistence, they set the hook on the fish (usually somewhere other than the mouth) and drag the fish in. Is this considered sporting?

[Stew]

I've used bobber/jigs extensively for salmon and steelhead and have never once fouled hooked a fish. I believe you have to really try to snag a fish this way and no doubt that's what these guys are doing.

[ 09-15-2003, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Stew ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

Some guys that jig with tube baits are highly successful fishers. Ripping the water with jigs I cannot agree with whole heartedly. Obviously you're gonna snag fish and you will hook some legitimately. I've snagged fish just sitting there with kwikie on. Did'nt do it intentionally but that is what happened.

If they are releasing the fish then there is no foul. Yet if they are just ripping the water to intentionally snag up then I do have a problem with it. Guess you have to pick how you judge some folks out there. Pretty easy to tell the intentional one's out there.

Lot's of different ways to catch fish. All you can do is your own best. Report those that snag and keep

[Wheeler Dealer]

Yes, my partner and I went to Drano this last week-end. First time that I jigged... and I have to admit, it seemed like snagging for me. In Alaska, I have legally snagged fish (salmon) at the Swanson River, and the only difference I could see, is that when I was legally snagging in Alaska, I used a triple hook... Jigging we were using a single hook. But, amazingly, the two fish we caught at Drano, when jigging, were both caught in the mouth, inside-out. Although I did see others that were snagged and the fish were released....

[DJFISHS2XS]

I see jigs (fuzzy)used with out floats and left on the bottom when the fish lines itself they set the hook, I see lots hooked inside the mouth. there is noway these fish are picking them up off the bottom, but I think the lead head rips there mouth upen and the upwards hook sticks them in the mouth....its a shame....I use jigs for silvers but keep them swimming with a light touch and you can tell the difference between a bump and a bite...DJ

[Mojo]

This argument goes back to a statement I made a year ago..."There is almost no fishing technique that can't be made unethical." The flipside is also true, an ethical angler will work to make sure his technique du jour is the most efficient way to ethically hook the target species. I've foul hooked a few salmon. Never on purpose. I've foul hooked steelies twice too. All those fish were released. (Funny thing about the steelies, both were hooked in the mouth the first time they jumped. I guess they spit the hook and the line was wrapped around them or something. Anyway they were released.)

[NEUTRON]

3 out 10 "far hooked". Is that with the people using the lures they way they were intended or 6 to 8 foot swing method. 30% is BS with siwash hooks and correct usage. Contact me by e-mail and I could help you make your own decisions. How about the two bit hole in a month, you know the one filled with bed springs :rolleyes: graemlins/stupid.gif .

[Haftafish]

I watched a guy fishing with a jig off the mouth of the Sandy river Friday morning. He was throwing his line out and then sharply raising his rod and never reeling in. No one else was catching anything but he hook several fish. I suspect not many of them were in the mouth. No one else was touching a fish. Not sure what type of lure he was using but judging from his casts it was heavy.

[Mojo]

Haftafish,
That guy needed to be reported. Snagging = poaching.

[Bubzilla]

Okay, I resisted getting in this one as long as possible. Haftafish, did you actually see any of the fish this guy caught snagged? I mean did you observe him bringing in fouled fish, or are you assuming they were snagged because he was the only one catching fish? Not trying to be argumentative, I just can't tell from your post.

I've caught limits with Crippled Herring, Zingers, etc., in a half an hour before--when the fish were on. Many times, no one else was catching a thing. And, I can honestly say I have NEVER foul hooked a fish doing it (I use single hooks, don't jerk, etc.). In fact, most of the fish inhale the darn things! Obviously that doesn't mean others don't snag with them. But it also doesn't mean that anyone using what is an effective and legal fishing method should be automatically accused of snagging. Heck, there are a lot more fish snagged with drift gear than any other method. So is everybody fishing with a drift rod snagging?

[NEUTRON]

Rola :rolleyes: ...the first thing is you don't anchor...duh. you use your motor so your boat travels with the speed of the current there by keeping your line and lure vertical.


Ps. tells me you don't know what you are talking about, there would some unhappy folks if you anchored there. At the white Salmon, the idiots get away with it some how.

[ 09-16-2003, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: NEUTRON ]

[Nanook]

Roger.

Never intended to imply you were snagging or trying to snag, or do foul hook, or that you can't fish the way you want. graemlins/hearton.gif

Just concurring with facts that there are pro-snaggers out there, using snagging prone devices, with intent. :depressed:

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[CATCH AND EAT]

Do I dare say anything more after the last snagger thread? :wink: There is a time, place and method to legitimat jig fishers. Neutron has it down and makes them work boys. He knows his stuff. Just curious Roger, how do you get those jigs to bounce off the bedsprings. :grin:

[Nanook]

Legitimat Laundramat :tongue: C&E

Yea, Roger. Bring Bernie and his largest size buzzbombs and 4/0 trebles into that hole. Would be a "bobber slaughter" of the close encounter kind. graemlins/dork.gif

:grin: :grin: :grin:

That's the example we are talking about. :hoboy: I'm outta' here. :laugh:

[Navigator]

The Nordic jigs are becoming more popular on the Sandy. Last year the Coho had lock jaw big time but lots of hook-up action going on for those fishing a Nordic. Most fish fowl hooked and released. But I can't help but think this shuts down the bite even more with all the commotion and all. And, it becomes too obvious when fish after fish is fowl hooked and released - to me, that is no longer fishing. I guess what I am saying is that even if the fowl hooked fish are being released - there comes a point where it is no longer fishing and a drag and distraction to those trying to use a different technique.

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[Nanook]

"How about the two bit hole in a month, you know the one filled with bed springs :rolleyes: graemlins/stupid.gif "

Sure, bring your buddies. That is graemlins/stupid.gif

[ 09-16-2003, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[rola76]

Jig and bobber fishing is truly an art. However, I've seen those snaggers anchored in the mouth of the Klick jerking up and down on their rods, and to me that's an insult to legit fishermen. This absolutely bugs the heck out of me and I think guys like this are scrubs. Some of you I'm sure are going to jump all over me, but get real man, if you can't catch a fish in a respectable fashion then you shouldn't be respected!!

Put your time in and enjoy the true art of fishing!!

[DJFISHS2XS]

Hafta, that the same thing I see but they are actually lining fish and most are hooked in or near the mouth so its hard to tell unless you walk right up to them. some times its on the out side of the mouth...DJ

[Leatherneck]

Theres a group of us who go to Ucluelet on Vancouver Island. We stay on the Canadian princess. Anyway all we use for salmon,bottom fish and halibut is jigs. The fish go crazy for these jigs. All of our fishing is taking place in the ocean. The only other times I have tried to jig fish was at the mouth of the Deschutes. Never again. Every fish was snagged.

[NEUTRON]

Sorry Rick... hot button for me. It's the ole saying, a few ruin it for many. Sitting on anchor, line at 45 degree angle with an 8 foot rip ain't the way to do it. Common place at the mouth of the White Salmon. Nav... snagging kills the bite. Pretty sure Oregon has lure restriction, at least on the CR that non-boyant (sp) lures have single hooks.

Again, sorry Rick.

[tag-a-long]

I have foul hooked salmon using amermans eggs on a 2/O hook. I have also hooked several salmon in the mouth using jigs. You know winter is coming with all the flaming posts aganst snagging and the like. If you search, you'll find that there were a bunch starting about this time last year..

Don't try to put words in my text box either. I am not saying its right or wrong, just that it does happen to people who try to fish legally

[Silver Hilton]

I have fished the Deschutes mouth fishery with jigs. We fished hard, trying to catch the fish legally, and still hooked fish in the rear and back mouths time after time. If you are vertical jigging in concentrations of fish, it's gonna happen.

We never did get a biter in two trips, so I don't fish there any more.

[CATCH AND EAT]

Gee thanks Rick. graemlins/berry.gif Just glad you expanded your horizon from just spinners to alvins. :shocked: :wink:

[Nanook]

Just an analogy Bernie. Yep, all the way from worms. Let's go bobber fishin' C&E. :wink:

[dampainter]

jigging = legal snagging. :rolleyes:

[IFISH4U]

Would you guys like some cheese with your wine!!!!!!!!! :hoboy:

[dampainter]

graemlins/applause.gif :laugh: :laugh: graemlins/applause.gif

[Nanook]

Originally posted by IFISH4U:
Would you guys like some cheese with your wine!!!!!!!!! :hoboy: <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">http://tvdance.com/nsync/peeweehead1a.gif :tongue:

[IFISH4U]

Thought maybe you would all like that, lol. :laugh:

[Steelhead Hound]

I jigged the Sandy today. Had 3 snagged and released. 5 biters that we kept. ...Jigging... the polite way of snagging... Give me a break. People that can't hook a fish fair with a jig are just ripping it through the water. The trick is to pull up smoothly and the drop the bait quickly. You will snag them going up but they bite on the way down. Use all silver (in the Sandy) and they will bite it. People that complain about people jigging can bite there tongue. I snag a fish once and a while but mine go back in the river. So if you see someone snag a fish and put it back in the river and there not snagging them every cast bite your tongue KEEP YOUR FAL MONTH SHUT AND MIND YOUR OWN POLE!!!!!
:bowdown: The King

[Nanook]

:bowdown: to the King of what? Moderated posts so far? :rolleyes:

[ 09-23-2003, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: ****** ]