What a great day for Native Springers (PICS) 30+lbs

[Bobby Ray]

Well, Today was the day to practice the art of catch and release, we could not get a hatchery to save our lives. We all had some great action today and I'm so exited cause it's only going to get better!

I got my old time buddy Ned out of his house today to catch his first Salmon and he did just that, Good job Ned. The old spaz (clown mouth) had his text book landing, he's getting some good numbers on the board already.

Fishnxtc....used some serious hardware to get his springer....some how, some way he enticed the Chinook with his 75 HP Merc. and sure enough the fish went for the bait....chopped the head clean off. (seriously though) It was a strange accident but I guess it can happen, we were motoring along and whack, Chris thought he hit a log so he shut down power and I ran to the motor and sure enough it was a springer.
I guess it's safe to say their close to the surface.

Well here are some pics

Here's Ned's first Chinook ( being handeld by Chris for safe mesure)
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/02052168.jpg
Here's my biggest springer yet
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/43002168.jpg
And Clown face with his nice chromer
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/40022168.jpg
Caught them all on bait wrapped quickies in about 15 feet of water :dance:

IMPORTANT NOTICE: The handling of native fish requires extreme care and caution! Taking pictures of native fish should ONLY be done by experienced anglers.


Bobby

[ 03-12-2003, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: big n bright ]

[crabbait]

What a great looking bunch of Hogs! Too bad they had so many fins. Looks like a great day on the river! :dance:

[ONECAST]

nice fish bob :cheers: good pics :bowdown:

[Chris Nordling]

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Chris :cool:

[Nanook]

You are killin' me! :grin:

http://www.blackbeardlives.com/images/dayfsplash1.jpg

[ 03-10-2003, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[steelheadslayer]

graemlins/applause.gif graemlins/applause.gif :bowdown: :bowdown:
AWESOME, nuff said. :dance:

[SafetyChain]

Chris,
When is that guide sticker going on your boat?

:bowdown: :bowdown: :dance: :dance:

[KingFisher85]

nice hogs :shocked: very nice fish graemlins/applause.gif

[skrimmy]

Wow, nice day for you guys. Those are some bright hogs, I need my sun glasses! Chris, Alright already...you're making quite a name for yourself out there! :bowdown: :bowdown:

[fishing is life]

way to go! nice pics. Chris is just one of those fishy kind of people. graemlins/applause.gif

[Gun Rod Bow]

WTG Guys,

Great pics Bobby.

XTC is Dah Man!!

Let some through for the rest of us.

Those are some nice fat piggies!!

Keep sending those pics

GRB

[5-Cents]

:bowdown: :dance: Right on Chris :dance: :bowdown:

Dont waste all your mojo if you're taking me out on Wed! :grin:

You need to seriously look into that guide deal, maybe with the right sponsor graemlins/idea.gif

[bob-n-jig]

wow
:cheers:

[fishnxtc]

Thanks for all the complements but you know everybody out there can do the same. Just throw your bait out there and pray to god that the pole pounds down that is about it. Salmon are probably my favorite fish to catch and it took me a year fishing with just me and clownmouth to catch my first salmon. Ever since that first salmon hit the bottom of my boat it has never stop. One piece of advice I can give read everything you can, don't be afraid to ask questions and the biggest part pay attention to other anglers around you. One more thing it doesn't hurt when a fellow IFisher calls :wink: and say's try this place been getting a few here (THANKS)......................Chris

[RvW]

Nice...

[ 03-11-2003, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: cirrhosis-of-the-river ]

[jokester]

Killer chrome hogs! :shocked: This DEFINITELY contributes to that contagious "spring fever" disease. Very Nice Job! :cheers:

[ZaQ]

You got to be kidding me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, graemlins/1zhelp.gif

[Smj]

fishnxtc, BnB, I got a question for you guys. What colors/size has been working the best for you guys?

Smj

[Bobby Ray]

Smj,

It seems that the silver and chartreuse w/orange colors in any configurations works well, you might want to experiment with scents, scents and more scents, also fish different sizes k-14 and k-15 move around if your not getting anything, some times you need to move around a lot.
I hope this helps you.

BnB :smile:

[ 03-11-2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: big n bright ]

[Sirprize Sirprize]

Awesomous maximous :bowdown:

[Finn-icky]

Must of been fun reviving them.

[Just_learning]

look at it this way, maybe the one you hit with the prop was a hatchery, so after all you may have got to kill one....
Whats the rule on hitting a fish with your prop?

[fishing is life]

i am at work eating lunch. i wonder how they are doing today? i am sure we will see a new post tonight.

[fishnxtc]

Don't worry James we are off the River today but will be back at it again tomorrow..............Chris

[fishing is life]

hey somebody else might have a chance today!

[norms gone fishing too]

any one put a gps in his boat? if so please don't post just email it to a few of us springer less ifishers

norm

[Chacal]

I am starting to think I am a jinx!

Great day for you guys. Glad to see dad catch something....

Hmmm. I could take up golf. :tongue:

Chacal :smile:

[STGRule]

Okay, since I don't have a stake in this and I'm not jealous of the success, I'll say it. First off, congratulations, they are beautiful fish. Is there a good reason to have taken the fish out of the water to take pics instead of just telling us a great story? Every minute a fish is handled it increases the stress hormone cortisol in their bloodstream. This has a delayed effect of hours or days. The fish may swim off fine and then not be fine a while later. A sulking, stressed fish is more susceptible to predation. Increased cortisol levels can and do interfere with spawning success. There is the added problem of removing the slime layer that protects the fish. They aren't going to spawn for a good long time and are going to have to survive in warmer water that promotes fungus growth. That will effect the fishes survival also. These are big, beautiful fish that I'm sure most of us would like to see them spawn successfully and make more big, beautiful fish. The best way to succeed in this endeavor is to release wild fish as quickly and gently as possible. Tell us a great story about your fantastic day fishing. We don't need pics to prove it. Anybody who insists you produce pics to "prove" your catch is the jealous one, and not worth the effort to respond to. Be careful with our resource so we have a strong, viable one in the future.

[ 03-11-2003, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

[bri24]

Looks like I need to be heading down your way for some action. Great day of fishing. :cheers:

[suckerfish]

Nice looking fish. At least I know what a Springer looks like now.

suckerfish

[fun-fishing]

SWEET!!!!!!!! Nice fish Fishnxtc & big n bright. I'm new to the columbia river so I'm asking ???? about some good starting spots to fish for springers. I've fished in the Oregon City aera for a long time but now that I have a bigger boat I wanted to be able to fish bigger water. Chris you have been doing a super job fo finding the Sweet spots. Can you let me know in the general area ? Thanks In advance. Fun Fishing :cheers:

[Boedy]

STGrule I am so tired of people popping off after someone posts a picture of a native. The holier then thou thing is getting old real fast I’m sure it makes you feel superior to come on Ifish and jump up on a soapbox and scream about how to handel a nate but save it for when someone really needs the lecture. Chris & bobby know how to handle a Native and I’m sure those fish where not out of the water long enough to hurt them. I mean really they weren’t hung up by the gills or anything so give it a rest. :hoboy:

[ZaQ]

Amen

[Irie1]

Thats ok! Go ahead and love'm, caress'm, treat'm like they're yours, an I still kill'm at the Wind. :shocked: :shrug:

[fishnxtc]

You know at the end of your life you can look back at pictures like these and remember that first salmon, the great day on the river or just being with good friends. I understand the concern for native fish any real angler wants to see the wild specie they are pursuing survive. I bet not one of you persons that are so out spoken about the handling of native fish here on BB's ever sent an email to a guide complaining about pictures of wild fish on there website. I'm always prepared to get the "You shouldn't do that post", which is fine by me. I know how to handle wild fish and if I was not confident in my abilities I would not do it. If you look at the pictures I am holding the fish for people who many not are a well versed in the handling of wild fish. This is the last time I will justify my pictures here on Ifish or any other BB

[The Overfishin Condition]

Well said XTC. Honestly, XTCs pictures are the only things keeping me sane here, I can't be on the water right now, but at least he's keeping me hungary. So even if he doesn't need a pic to prove it, though I'm sure we'd all have taken him for a lier if he was just relaying his sucsess, but anyhow, if he doesn't need the picture, thanks to him for taking it for us. It's ok to give the fish a little hug, why would that raise stress. :smile:

[Mrdorkfish]

STGrule, Thanks for posting your true thoughts and not holding back, I myself am not here for a popularity contest and feel that these fish should be popped off in the water and never touch a net...They are not what you are looking for. Boedy, "Handle" and "Nate" should never be used in the same sentence. :rolleyes: TCX...Those fish shouldn't be 4ft out of water no matter what u thunk...Thank Goodness you are not as well versed at squeezing fish to death as you are on the puter ! graemlins/berry.gif Ever try spellcheck?? :whazzup:

:laugh: :dance:

Mrdorkfish

Louis

[driftphish]

love the photos xtc. keep them coming.

those fish will be just fine guys. relax.

[Gun Rod Bow]

I can't leave this alone.

STG and Dorkfish, missplaced good intentions IMO.

Chris is fishing predominately quickies. Fish hooked on quickies are a little (sometimes alot) dangerous to unhook.

I've tried hanging over the side of the boat and trying to pull hooks on a quickie. It don't work.

A guy I know nearly lost his arm to a fur bag (sea lion) trying to do what you suggest.

The most expedient is to net, leave net in water, reach in and tail, hold fish upside down (horizontally) while your buddy unhooks, and just maybe snap a shot on the way back in the water for revival.

When I use other methods (bait), I keep them in the water. Whatever the case, the quicker, safer...the better.

Chris and guys. Keep the photos coming.

STG and Dork...Do some checking on the mortality study that Bob Toman worked on with ODFW at Willamette Falls. The fish are tougher than you think. He was quite surprised. Bear in mind, they wont spawn till August/Sep, and most likely, I'll bonk 'em in the Wind in May. Or some other non clipping river.

GRB

[willametteriveroutlaw]

Dorkfish,
Why do they get altitude sickness?
These fish aren't made of glass. Their not gonna break if you take the out of the water, Lighten up guys.

[Mrdorkfish]

Whatever, They are nice fish but keep them in the water..don't squeeze thier guts, Chances of a sea lion coming up and taking your arm off are the same as :smile: and graemlins/hearton.gif posting on this site again...That was the most un-scientific study i have ever heard of as far as fish hooking and mortality rate...what a joke graemlins/dork.gif The one fish had a bloody eye and lip...floater by now...seagull lunch.

Mrdorkfish

Louis

[ 03-12-2003, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Mrdorkfish ]

[fishnxtc]

STGrule has some very good points about natives. I Don't feel he is or was trying to flame anybody just stating his opinion on the subject I can accept that nothing personal. MRDORKFISH probably is up past his bed time and drank to much you know the type of guy. You always see them sitting in someone elses boat pounding beers and talking about who knows what :whazzup: .........Chris
ps It was the picture that gave it a bloody lip :tongue: :tongue:

[ 03-11-2003, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: fishnxtc ]

[Mrdorkfish]

No wait... graemlins/dork.gif :tongue: I didn't have a stupid smile on my face...take another picture :tongue: this thing will swim away... graemlins/dork.gif Uh yep...uh huh

Nite,

MrDorkfish

Louis

:shrug: Chris, i do own my own watercraft and NEVER drink in a boat.

[ 03-12-2003, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: Mrdorkfish ]

[Gun Rod Bow]

Hey Dork fish,

Perhaps you could show us the proper technique on the next springer photo you post...well...we're waiting...

Oh!! You haven't caught any.

Please make a comment only after posting that pic.

Thanks in advance

GRB

BTW- Spell checking?? PUHLEEEEEZ

[Mrdorkfish]

Gun Rod Bow, i have been out twice, no fish yes but i have been giving away my freezer full weekly from fall and hope it goes away before this summer... eye jut can nut cutch a fit in the pring fer the lif ub mee. :grin: :tongue: graemlins/dork.gif

Mrdorkfish

Louis

[Mrdorkfish]

:laugh: Ok...i'm done...just let those fish go as bestest and as fast as you can :laugh: tak'n the boy out this week and will post a pic if i do...but only if it's a clipped fish :shocked:

Mrdorkfish

Louis

[fishin'O.C.and beyond]

Beautiful fish. Where are you fishin'?

[Gizmo Man]

Ok boys...play nice...it is starting to get out of hand...get my drift...

Giz... The Mod...

[Bobby Ray]

Man I just came down stairs for a snack and what's this!

OK now STG, MrDork and to the rest that share their opinion:

I'm a nice and respectful individual so let me just say "I'm sorry." I'm sure a lot of people might think I don't have anything to apologize for but I do understand where your coming from and your opinion is respectfully noted. You see I'm a picture freak and a fishing fool so when I have an opportunity to capture my only passion in life (besides my family) on a photo, I do so and I do it with the greatest of care so don't hate. :depressed:

All the natives we caught this day were in and out in less than 9 seconds and cradled in a protective and intimately manor although I don't think those two trebles on the K-15's felt so good. So that being said, the Pictures will keep coming whether their posted here or in my photo album. I'm glad for those of you who enjoy the pics.

See ya on the H20 :smile:
Bobby

Oh ya, GRB will most likely bonk them on the Wind but that's life.

[ 03-12-2003, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: big n bright ]

[ZaQ]

Chris, your pictures are good for the economy. Everytime I see one of your pics, I fill up the gas tank, but 4 more kwikfish, a box of hooks and some bait. Keep em comin, can I go fishing with you? :depressed:

[Jennie@ifish]

Actually, everyone, I was concerned about this thread, and I asked STG what we should do about it. I respect her past posts which show patience, calm, and an educated outlook on the safe release of fish.


I wasn't so much concerned that these fishermen knew how to handle wild fish. I believe that they do.

I spoke to a guide, who will remain un named until or if, he/she wants to speak. I wanted an opinion. I learned many things that made me even more concerned.


Handling wild fish can be harmful, and must be done with absolute care.


Driving while intoxicated is dangerous. Some people can do it safely. Does that mean we allow it for everyone, or condone it, or encourage others to do it?


No.


My concern lies in the fact that we are all examples for people that haven't fished much, and come on to ifish to see how it is done.


My concern lies with the fact that the people on ifish that catch a lot of fish are huge examples for these people, including me. It made me wonder, is it OK to pick up wild fish and take pictures? Shall I try it?


I asked Bill. He said, "It isn't a great idea, but some people seem to do it, and it seems to be OK."


However, Bill and I have recently purchased long handled wire clippers for just this purpose. We can cut the hooks, when a Kwikie gets buried in a wild fish, and release them as fast as we can.


If new people come onto ifish and see these pictures, will they go out the first time fishing, and not knowing to be careful, and how to be careful, hold up a fish for a picture without knowing not to squeeze it, or knowing not to put their fingers in the gills?


Will they think, "It's OK to hold natives out of the water, cuz I saw it on ifish?"


I have learned SO much on ifish. I have learned not to drag a wild fish up on the mud while trying to release it. Beleive me, there was a time that I did NOT know this. I learned it, here, from the people who know.


That is perhaps the biggest reason I run ifish. To set a good example. To teach people about the way to handle fish. To spread the news on how to help our fish survive. To bring awareness to people that we need to pick up trash after ourselves, to keep the river clean, to know to go to meetings.


If not for all of this, I would really get tired of all the petty arguments on ifish. Every time we do something good, it renews my energy!


So, I was confused. I was never upset at the pictures themselves, so much. I was upset at the example this might set.


Alaska has a rule that NO wild fish be picked up out of the water. Why? They are VERY strict about it. WHY?


I was especially troubled about this thread, because lately, there is a "holier than thou" problem, on ifish.


I want to know HOW in the world to set the best example, without starting "that" problem. Is it worth it?


I finally decided, that as the owner of ifish, at the risk of seeming holier than thou, I wanted to know the truth. IS IT OK? I honestly didn't know, but I suspected it not.


There are SO many ways to look at it, from so many varying degrees. Catch and release fly fishermen would look at it in horror.
People, however, who have been fishing for these fish for generations, whose grandfathers, perhaps even netted them in their backyard when there was a flurry of fish would think absolutely, (and innocently) that there is nothing at all wrong with it!


These fish are beautiful, and YES I AM JEALOUS! I have no problem with admitting my jealousy. However, I had to think long and hard if this was my reason for being confused about the message these pictures send to people. I decided it was not. I honestly would fish with any of these guys, knowing that their intentions are rock solid and in the best interest of the fish. Plus, they might get ME into a fish! :smile:


However, this is what prompted my confusion.


I have seen guides pick up wild fish for photos often. I know it is done.


Do we hold up a sign when we hold up a big wild fish like this, that says,


"I am a professional, please don't try this at home?"


My congratulations to all, for these huge, beautiful wild fish, and yes, it made my day when I saw them! They are GORGEOUS!


Also, my concerns to others who might be confused. I am one. Here is what I have learned, on ifish:


It's not OK to hold an oversize sturgeon out of the water. Something happens to the insides of the fish that could kill it. I'll not do that.


It's not OK to slide a wild steelhead up on the rocks or mud. I'll not do that.


It's not OK to hold a wild steelhead up out of the water for a picture, unless you do it fast, and hold it only a few inches out of the water.


So... If I catch a big old wild springer, can I hold it up for a picture when I'm in the boat? I'm still confused. Why does Alaska have that law?


Jen

[ 03-12-2003, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[tag-a-long]

Take a look at any book about fishng...

Native fish out of the water for a pic...
graemlins/icon_argue.gif graemlins/icon_argue.gif
Its this kind of banter that really jerks up this site. I am not sure how I got myuself worked up enough to even post about this... Mob mentality I guess...

Maybe there should be a warning in the post subject line::::
WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Native Fish Pictures


In the words of Rodney King

"Can't we all just get along?"

:shrug:

[ 03-12-2003, 07:02 AM: Message edited by: tag-a-long ]

[Jennie@ifish]

I really didn't notice that anyone is upset.
Are there people upset?
Dang, here I thought it was a good, educational, thoughtful thread...
Some people take offense, sure... That's too bad. I like to become educated. It makes me feel smarter. I dunno why. :smile:
I'm certainly not pointing fingers. I have seen guides hold up tons of natives, and it does seem that there is controversy whether this is alright or not.
There are such broad opinions on this... from Peta members not wanting people to fish at all, (or even keep dogs and cats for pets!!!!) to people who believe it is alright to poach.

They are all opinions, and we all have them.
I'm just trying to form mine!

Jen

[ 03-12-2003, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[chinarider]

"Catch and release fly fishermen would look at it in horror."

Many would, but that still doesn't stop them from doing it - I subscribe to "Fly Rod & Reel", "American Angler", "Fly Fishing & Tying Journal", and others - These magazines are filled with photos of fly fisherpersons holding wild fish out of the water - VERY few photos are taken while the fish is being held gently IN the water.

On another note, maybe for photos we can find a way to mount pliers to a camera - So we always catch that photo :smile:

Tom

[Killertraylor]

Nice fish guys - I disagree with STG and like to see those pics from guys who know how to handle fish. I wish I had more pictures of big fish like those, but I rarely remember to bring the camera. ODFW has decided that it's ok to catch one in a tangle tooth net, let it hit the deck of a gillnet boat and then release it - I'm sure your fish had much less stress than that.

I think the point about kwikfish bears repeating as well - those treble hooks are often times very difficult to get out of the fish while you are dangling over the side of the boat - I saw a guy on the Multnomah Channel go overboard two years ago while trying to unhook a fish - one of the funniest things I've seen (probably because I knew him and he was alright) but it's still potentially dangerous. I was waiting for the critical post here though - some folks here just like to be critical (including me at times). I guess it just depends on how you feel about a topic, but I think you guys cought some unneccesary heat and I'd hate to see you quit posting just because a few people who "don't care what others think" thought it would be o.k. to let you know what bad, immoral fishermen you are....

[Jennie@ifish]

Killertraylor, you are starting trouble.
No one told these people that they are bad, immoral fishermen. In fact, the opposite.


Thank you for listening, and please, if you don't have anything positive or educational to say, say nothing at all.

My concern is for those that do not know how to handle fish. Period.

Jen

[Wet_Willy]

[ 03-12-2003, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: Wet_Willy ]

[Degner]

Are you saying you shouldn't bonk them nates so they hold still for the pictures?

[Sadie-Lynne]

It appears to me that no matter what the subject is everybody is extreme to one side or the other.
Lets learn common sense. There are safe ways to handle fish. Handle them with respect and enjoy the sport. This is why I will not post any pics
on this board. People do need to be educated but
when someone post a pic for others enjoyment it is not the time to start getting in jabs. Nice looking fish guys. Hope to see many more before the springer run is over.

[smoky]

The slime on fish is extremely important to their survival.

I recently lost several expensive Koi from my pond.

The people at the pet store ask me if I ever touched them with my hands when cleaning the pond.

I have but they were always fine for weeks afterwards. The pet doc said it takes weeks for an infection to cause death after their slime is disrupted.

Just a thought.

[Killertraylor]

Sorry Jen - didn't know there wasn't any latitude here for personal opinion anymore. I guess I interpreted the criticism different than you did.

[Jennie@ifish]

Killer-- I'm sorry you took it that way.
Of course, there is room for opinion.

I'm just trying not to turn this into a hate thread.

I appreciate the fish pictures on ifish, and I think these fish are gorgeous.

My only concern is that newer fishers will think that it is OK to handle natives any way that they want.

Perhaps I shouldn't have been concerned, but deep down, as the owner of the site, I am concerned about what message we send to people learning to fish.

Perhaps also, I should have started a new thread, instead of doing it here. I am sorry for that. I certainly didnt mean to ruin the happiness and pride these fishermen felt when trying to share the good feelings here.

I'll go hide in my cave now.

Jen

[Killertraylor]

Jen - we all appreciate your concern for the handling of native fish - some of us just have different opinions as to what is acceptable and what isn't. I just thought you were being a bit harsh by saying I didn't have anything positive or educational to share - I was serious about dangling over the boat - I've almost gone in a few times myself.

No hard feelings - you can come out of your cave!

[ 03-12-2003, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: Killertraylor ]

[Jennie@ifish]

Nope. Won't come out.

I refuse.

:smile:

Jen

[Smj]

Thanx BnB, Now I have a confidence color if and when I get out again.

STGrule is female and I believe well respected by many on this board. She works in fisheries managment.

When MR. Dorkfish posts he gives alot of information on the where's and hows to catch fish, this info was mostly missing from this long thread, and many others lately.

It's a FACT, a fish left in the water is better off than a fish held up for a picture, period!

Don't be so defensive, it tends to polarize the board and gets everyone jumping on one side or the other.

Smj

[CohoKen]

XTC, Big-n-Bright,

Nice fish. Ours looked like the second photo! :grin: :grin:

Jen and others, I fished next to these guys monday and can confirm that Chris has the ability to handle these fish correctly. I can't say that for myself. However, I also cannot remove a kwikfish without using a net. So for me: fish in the net, kwikfish off, and fish out of net, with the fish never leaving the water. I also had a native on monday and didn't take the photo. I won't be taking photos of wild fish until I have the experience that Chris has.

I do agree with Jen that maybe a warning be posted when we post native photos. i.e. "Extreme caution should be used when handling wild fish" or something similar. I don't believe inexperienced fisherpeople should be trying this.

I do not want native fish pictures removed from the board because many guides and fisherpeople have the experience to do it right and those photos are great to see.

I believe this is not much different than anchoring at Bonneville dam. I wouldn't do it, but some have the experience and are comfortable with it. When I get the experience I will also, time will tell.

[Killertraylor]

Smj - you are right about STGRule. She's extremely knowledgeable on this subject and even though I disagreed with part of her message, I still really respect her wisdom on this subject and I learned something from her post.

Jen - you are too cute graemlins/hearton.gif

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[Grizz]

As I read this thread I thought all the points/counterpoints were informative but I couldn't help asking the question.....

It's too bad the posting "TWO BOATS CAUGHT WITH NATIVE SPRINGERS" had but a fraction of the intrest this post had. :shrug:

[Jennie@ifish]

I am still unconvinced.. I mean, why does Alaska have that law, that no fish that are to be released shall leave the water?
They have very good fish management.
Anyway, I came out of my cave, and now I am afraid and will go back in.

The wind is hitting hard here.

Hey, how come every host I talk to, asks how much bandwidth we transfer, and when I tell him, they say, "We don't allow those kinds of sites."
They think we have nasty things going on here!

It's just fishing!
:smile:

I like what KohoKen says. I feel the same way. I am still very nervous taking a picture of a wild steehead. I'm just not that good at releasing them in the first place! In my opinion, releasing fish is MUCH harder then bonking them! Iget so paranoid! Yikes! Let it go! Get it out of here!!!

Jen

[fishin'O.C.and beyond]

As I said earlier, those are beautiful fish, no denying that. Would I hold them up? No. I was taught long ago that even netting a fish will take off the protective slime which, as someone said, could lead to infection. These fish have enough to endure on their way back, I would rather the impact caused by me be as minimal as possible. Just my .02

[Salmonator]

There's only two offensive things going on in those pics. One is that they weren't taken in my boat :wink: The second is the bear hug the fish in the first picture is getting. I sure there's some serious slime loss going on especially for a fish that needs to survive in freshwater for the next 6+ months. Other than that, cool pics. It's sure good to see so much size to the springers this year.

[willametteriveroutlaw]

Alaska dosen't do a good job managing there fish, if you don't believe me look at the kenai, that river is on its way down :depressed: . That law was put in place to end the glory pictures (hand in Gills look how long my fish is Pics) guides still take fish out of the water and take pictures of them up there just to release. In ak all of 95% of the fish are wild. Look at PP there is a wild steelhead that a client is holding out of the water one day, that is caught again 2 days later no worse for the wear. I think certain things like sliding fingers up under a gill plate, and the such will harm fish, But cradling them lie he did is much better than the standard tale head hold. Those fish will be fine.

[The Fishing Geek]

Grizz:

Everyone agrees in that thread.

[Bobby Ray]

Originally posted by Jennie.

My concern lies with the fact that the people on ifish that catch a lot of fish are huge examples for these people, including me. It made me wonder, is it OK to pick up wild fish and take pictures? Shall I try it?

If new people come onto ifish and see these pictures, will they go out the first time fishing, and not knowing to be careful, and how to be careful, hold up a fish for a picture without knowing not to squeeze it, or knowing not to put their fingers in the gills?


Will they think, "It's OK to hold natives out of the water, cuz I saw it on ifish?"
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I never thought of it that way. You have a great point. I have seen natives handled in an improper manor and I'm sure fishers who are new to the game don't know any better. I hope the pics I post don't ever encourage the unsafe handling of natives.

From now on I'm going to add some sort of message about safe handling when I post a pic of a native, I'll feel a little better about it, Thanks for bringing this to my attention. :smile:


Bobby

[Fshklr]

XTC, Love the pics. Nice Hogs. :wink: I joined ifish last august and URB's with fins and pics were all the rage ( nate retention fishery ) and pics were acceptable, no bashing, no flaming. Beings how the metalheads and springers are nate release there are bound to be those that agree or disagree with the handling of nates. If you post a nate pic on any BB your bound to take heat at sometime or another. As for me..I'll keep my camera ready for a click, click, thank-you hoggie spawn me another. :cheers: If you have to question your ability as you think about taking a pic then don't...these are a valuable resource.
Well said BNB :grin:

[ 03-12-2003, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: FSHKLR ]

[Nanook]

Originally posted by Jennie@ifish:

It's just fishing! I was especially troubled about this thread, because lately, there is a "holier than thou" problem, on ifish
:smile: Jen <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Oh to fish every week day. If we all could too, wonder how many others would be happy "legends." :grin:

Thatsa' bout all I am jealous of. :tongue: :tongue:

[ 03-12-2003, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[tag-a-long]

I love when crabbait brings out the disclaimer... :bowdown:

[ 03-12-2003, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: tag-a-long ]

[Mrdorkfish]

Smj, Thanks for the good word :smile: When i'm doing well i really don't mind spreading the news, nobody can catch them all. :grin:

Hope to see you out there...good luck,

Mrdorkfish

Louis