Oregonian 03/05

[AtWorkALot]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/104686913842610.xml

FYI. So what does this mean for the sport fishery?

[OceanBlue]

I'm not sure I understand... why would it have any effect on the sport fishery?

[AtWorkALot]

Will they limit the sport fishery as well, in order to protect these fish?

I guess this might be old news. Sorry. Haven't kept up with the news lately.

[ 03-05-2003, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: AtWorkALot ]

[Stz ll]

It just broke my heart to read that the netters are being deprived of their fishery!!

Now if we can just shut them down for ever.

I don't see why it should effect the sportfishing beacuse we can release unharmed any wild fish we may catch.

[AtWorkALot]

I hope it doesn't affect sport fishing. They threatened to shut it down last year because anglers were mishandling fish. We need to police ourselves well this year.

[OceanBlue]

Looks like the timing is perfect for demanding an alternate fishing method, since it seems like no matter what they do with nets, it ends up frustrating and expensive for them as well as the fish.

[Born to be Wild]

Probably hear all about it at the Salmon meeting in Newport this morning for anybody that can go.
I'm going and will report back.
If the subject doesn't come up, I will inquire for you. They do talk about Springers at the meeting also, but it is mainly about this up and coming ocean season. And last year...
Apparently the herring are back as of yesterday.
Dan

[lost_sailor]

Dan

I went on the ocean on a charter last season, and I was extremely distressed about the handling of wild coho. Fewer wild fish would have died if we had just been allowed to keep them, the catch was about 2-to-1 wild. They were netted, flung on the deck, held down with a boot, hooks yanked out, and pitched to the following sea lion. I watched the deck hand slice the adipose fin off of one before he kicked it off the deck.

I won't be paying $75 for that experience (with an ifish sponsor) again, but if anything related comes up at the meeting ... I don't know what the solution is, a limited allowance for wild fish, better enforcement on charter boats ... :whazzup: :whazzup:

[ 03-05-2003, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: lost_sailor ]

[AtWorkALot]

Sailor,
You've got to turn people like that in.

[Born to be Wild]

Lost sailor,
I have to get out of here!
Big meeting in Newport!
Your timing was perfect!
I will print your comments out and take it to the meeting and **** off some of my charter buddies. It doesn't matter anymore. I have had enough.
Look up the "Lingcod Today" thread and you will see where I addressed this issue and refered to another thread where I addressed this issue.
Might even post the Bill Monroe colloum that came out in the Oregonian last year that addressed this issue also.
Very irresponsable and not what I consider professional.
Just got an Idea. I will copy/paste this in an email and send to ODFW right now.
Got to go and thanks again for what you did yesterday in Salem!
Dan

[Lepper]

Originally posted by Stz ll:

I don't see why it should effect the sportfishing beacuse we can release unharmed any wild fish we may catch. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Some people can, but a lot of people don't really care.. and it only takes a few bad apples unfortunaltey.. :depressed: (releasing fish that is)

[ 03-05-2003, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Lepper ]

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

Brian Tarabochia may be a forth generation fisherman along with his brother Vince but he is listed as a major Seafood processor out of Astoria. according to ODFW. :shrug: ( http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/odfw98-99final.pdf )


PS ( according to Bill Monroe the nets only cost $500 in 2001, must be inflation) :tongue:
From http://www.pugetsoundanglers.org/Subjects/Sparing%20wild%20salmon.htm

[ 03-05-2003, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: *** Clerk ]

[Pete]

I hope folks read the article critically. I saw reference to $1 million in net revenues, but didn't see anything about what it cost to obtain those net revenues (like the costs of equipment, the costs to the taxpayers of putting monitors on each boat, the cost of lost wild fish stocks, the lost sport fishing opportunity costs). The revenues aren't necessarily returned to the community in the same way that sports anglers pay into the economy. I found the article slanted in favor of the netters. Did it mention that gillnetting is not a way of life, it's just one small part of most commercial fisher's income ... and one that comes at great expense?

[ 03-05-2003, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: Pete ]

[Born to be Wild]

Lost sailor,
I e-mailed a biologist at ODFW a few replies off of ifish regarding the handling of wild coho in the salt including this email from Bill Monroe to me last year about an Oregonian article I requested.
I did my part and am running late.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Monroe" &lt;billmonroe@news.oregonian.com&gt;
To: &lt;simonp@actionnet.net&gt;
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Keeping it down when swells are up


Dan,
I think it's too early in the week and everyone's sleeping in. I couldn't
get the column out of either the web site or our own library...I did find a
version in my own computer, though...Here's the gist of what you're looking
for...just credit it to my column and the ORegonian from July 21...
Bill

Jeers: An alarming number of charter skippers and crews have been
boating coho with adipose fins and, in some cases, tossing them aside on the
deck to handle keepers first, before tossing them back overboard after way
too much handling.
Wild coho should be released in the water, without even being netted. A
simple tool consisting of a coat hangar wire with a hook at the end stuck
into a pole, can catch the barbless hook in the fish's mouth, work down the
shank to the bend and carefully pull it free without much damage.
Biologists already have heard reports from many customers and recently made
a special point of talking to charter owners through their associations.
If it gets too bad, maybe none of us will have to worry about it.
...We won't be invited back on the water.


&gt;&gt;&gt; "Dan dettmann" &lt;simonp@actionnet.net&gt; 07/22 12:34 PM &gt;&gt;&gt;

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan dettmann
To: Bill Monroe
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: Keeping it down when swells are up


Hello Bill, would you please send me your column out of yesterday's paper as
we spoke on the phone. I will also look for the email I sent a few people
regarding this subject matter a few days ago and send to you.
Thanks,
Dan

[Smj]

Pete, The writer of todays article (Joe Rojas-Burke) is the same writer that did the story last week on outdoor recreation in Oregon being related to federal funds. In last weeks article there was not a mention of any water related outdoor recreation. Is it the editors doing or the writers doing (in the media) that is moving Oregon away from outdoor recreation??

Color me disgusted once again.

Smj

[Killertraylor]

Pete - be careful about the facts. The $1 million was not profits - it was the total net revenues- I don't think it accounted for costs. *** - I've sportfished with some Terrabachia's and I think that he's a commercial crabber too, as many of the lower river gillnetters are.

[ 03-05-2003, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Killertraylor ]

[Pete]

KT, thanks for the prod. I fixed the language in my post to accurately reflect the article. My point, however, remains the same.

[Killertraylor]

No prob, Pete. I didn't find the article slanted towards the netters, but rather a pretty good summary of what has happened to the commercial fishery for springers in the last few years and the frustrations the commercial guys are having. It also enlightened me to the actions of Oregon Trout and the projected number of steelhead they estimated were killed last year - numbers I had seen greatly exaggerated in prior posts on ifish. If the article is accurate and they don't allow any more netting, it sounds like the total net revenue this year for the commercials will be significantly less than $100,000 - a significant decrease from the $1 mil they had last year when we had over 600,000 springers come back.

[Clamman]

Geez ***, I hope you didn't read that Radtke report for pleasure :wink:

To call Brian a major fish processor in Astoria is like comparing Fred Meyer to Wallmart. You set the bar low enough and more will qualify. I don't believe Brian even has a fish plant, I think he "buys" for another processor in the area but records his own fish tickets.

As for the nets, if I recollect the web itself costs about $500 and then you have to add corks, leadlines and hanging line. It adds up in a hurry. I guess no type of fishing is cheap anymore!

KT, don't believe Brian is the crab fisher of the family.

Clam

[Pete]

I would still like to see a "full cost" analysis of the fishery. Net revenues is only part of the picture. Without understand the external costs of managing the fishery (tax payer expenses) and the lost opportunity costs from decreasing the sport catch, I'm not sure we are seeing a complete and fair picture of the fishery. I recognize, however, that without a commercial fishery there would not be the opportunity for non-fishing citizens to enjoy these wonderful fish. But are they sold locally or to the highest bidders who ship them to New York or Tokyo?

[Bill Monroe]

FYI, everyone...

No, we're not moving away from outdoor coverage...on the contrary, you'll see more coming up in the next few months, I think.

And take it easy on Joe...
Jonathan Brinckman has moved to the business section for some personal reasons not related to his work covering fish. They are his personal reasons and I can tell you had nothing to do with anything else.
Joe Rojas-Burke is the new environmental team member charged with covering fish issues(among other things) and will do very well, as you saw this morning. He doesn't know everything yet about the salmon management cobweb, but is a fast study and an excellent and objective reporter. No one overlooked fishing in that recreation study, his first on the new beat. The story simply focused on fast-growing pursuits...we're going to improve our coverage of those as well.

As for the nets, as Joe pointed out to me today, there will be more netting this spring with tangle gear instead of the large mesh, but it could end up restricted since they've already used up a lot of their upriver impacts...

call me any time if any of you have questions or comments...503-221-8231 of 888-222-8231 for long distance.

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

Clamman

:grin: :laugh: :laugh:

just luv that stuff :grin:

[Killertraylor]

Are you serious STZ II? You think sportfishermen release all wild fish unharmed? More than half of the native springers I see released are netted first, brought on board, yanked on with pliers and then tossed in without reviving. I know that several Ifishers have taken issue with this practice, but I still see it happen all the time.

[Stz ll]

Killertraylor, Unfortunatly I guess you are correct. There is a lot of mishandling of fish. Hopefully the idiots who do what you describe learn before it is to late for all of us. :rolleyes:

[ 03-05-2003, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Stz ll ]

[Stew]

Originally posted by Stz ll:
It just broke my heart to read that the netters are being deprived of their fishery!!

Now if we can just shut them down for ever.

I don't see why it should effect the sportfishing beacuse we can release unharmed any wild fish we may catch. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Yeah Pete really made me feel bad for these poor souls...... :rolleyes:

I wonder how careful that fish would have been handled if the ODFW bio wasn't on board.