The upgrade will happen soon

[Jennie@ifish]

I am working on getting the 6.5 ugrade going, and it might be tonight.
We are losing some of the gradient bars in the upgrade, just cuz it's a hassle, and who knows? It may save a tiny bit in bandwidth, not sending out tiny little graphics to every "clicker." (I have decided the term "user" is not very user friendly. :smile:
So, now you are all deemed "clickers." :smile:

Be prepared for an outage, tonight, or tomorrow night, and little bugs for a while after that. :smile:

Trading in the old bugs for the new ones. :smile:

Jen

[SafetyChain]

short for clicker

http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/click_here.gif

[Thumper]

Ohhhh nooo!!! No gradient bars?!? Arghhhhh!

So what's a gradient bar?

[Pete]

Thumps, dear friend, a gradient bar is like a taco bar ... it's where you get the gradients to make it taste good! :grin:

It's the dark colored bars that look 3 dimensional ... a color gradient in the bar creates that visual effect, like the gold bar above and the green one below.

[Sore Back]

No problem Jen. I have been called a lot of things over the years and "clicker" ain't bad.

Sore Back

[The Fishing Geek]

Midnight would be fine, thanks. :tongue:

[Jennie@ifish]

Here is the test page for a look and the feel of it. :smile: (http://navaho.infopop.cc/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi)

Please don't be a goofball and try to register and post. It is for test purposes only.
Jen

[Dakotan]

looks good to me. hopefully the transition will be quick so I won't get the shakes when I can't log on tomorrow. aaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!
what to do!

[Drachir]

The sample pages look pretty good!! :grin:

[SafetyChain]

The look was not too drastically different. But I gotta tell you, the feel was the same. It still feels like my computer monitor, :shrug:
big, warm and smooth :laugh: :cheers:

[crabbait]

This is going to take some getting used to.....is the nicest way I can say it.

[willametteriveroutlaw]

I am staring at it right now, and I'll have to second crabbaits opinion. Its nice, but it feels kind of sterile and blocky to me, Oh well I'll get used to it.

[1pump]

I hate it. It's making me break out in a rash.
But 3 days from now I won't even notice it. :smile:

BTW, what's up with the weird font in the message field that I'm typing in? It's making me squint more than usual. :whazzup:

[Manimal]

I guess clicker is better than cracker???

No offense, cracker.

[Thumper]

I am so glad the gradient bars made it through without damage.

[skein]

Hmmmm, posting looks the same, but wow, the "reply" font is really little. I also see some extra buttons at the bottom. Maybe they're not extra - maybe I just didn't notice them before.

Thanks Jennie and Pete and whoever else stayed up tonight to work on this. My hat's off to you guys who work to make it work. graemlins/applause.gif

Skein

[Claybear]

Gradient bars? graemlins/eek13.gif Is that a diet snack and how much? :grin:

[TheRogue]

Some of the "Age Challenged" people with worsening eyesight may have to lower their resolution a bit to see...but I like it!!

TR

[Jennie@ifish]

I dun't like it. :depressed:
I can't see to read it!

Back to the drawing board...

Jen

[Jennie@ifish]

Please, write down any changes that you don't care for.
Do it tenderly. I had a stack of work to do today, and now I think I'll concentrate on this.
Jen

[Spoiled Daddy]

Rouge,

I am one of the aged challenged people and your right, I can't see it.

Jen,

Could you up the font size a bit? Even just a little?

Thanks for your hard work and dedication and for putting up with whiners like me!

SD

[Smj]

The font is way too small, and I'm not "Age Challenged" sheesh, a little "Eye Challenged" maybe??
The new format will take some getting used to and that's fine, but the font is hurting my eyes already.

Smj

[Jennie@ifish]

I can't, but I have put in a request to.
This fancy design stuff is too hard for me. It's written in CSS, and I never got that far!

I am considering dropping the fancy, all together, and going back to plain vanilla.

What do you think of this?

Click here for plain vanilla, like we had a year ago. (http://www.ifish.net/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=26&submit=Go+Fish%21)

It's not as fancy, and I still need to get the ifish logo to load, but... it works, and you can read it easily.
Let me know.
Jen

[guitgary]

Plain is fine by me. Font size is critical...but...more critical is for you to keep up the great work you are doing with this site!

From what I have read over the months...your judgement is fine by me whatever you decide.

[Smj]

"Plain vanilla" If you decide to keep it alittle fancy please make the chocolate chips small.

Wow, is that really the way the board was a year ago? It must have been quite a shock at the time switching to the formate we've been using.
I can get used to anything as long as the font is bigger than this.

Smj

[ampersat]

i'm voting for bigger font as well. i'm not visually challenged yet but trying to read this is going to get me there a little faster. one other thing: is it possible to "right justify" everything in the list of topics except for the title of the thread? i get a lot of empty space on the right side of the list. very very small concern and i wouldn't worry about it until all your clients are taken care of, all your kids are taken care of, all your fishing gear is taken care of, and all of the fish are caught.

[tag-a-long]

Definately bigger font... my eyes get worse every year!

[Fshklr]

Larger font for these eyes too. I like the old format also..What ever you decide jen will be appreciated. :smile:

[jet]

I have good eyes and a larger font might work better. I looked at the last year to compare, looks better to me.

Jet~~~

[The Fishing Geek]

Okay, all you anglers with failing eyesight...give this a try. In Internet Explorer click on View -> Text Size and choose a larger setting. See if that works for ya. Didn't do a thing here, but maybe it's because IE hates me.

[Pitch Pocket]

Font size increase, otherwise go for the new software. If you don't do it now, you'll have to do it later when they don't support the old version anymore.

[lost_sailor]

I liked it better yesterday. No doubt I'll get used to it in time for the next upgrade.

[Jennie@ifish]

Pitch, the story is this:
2 or 3 versions of upgrades ago, they offered a new thingy called JC templates. They were offered along with, as a side choice, the upgraded bb software. They made it so that css was allowed, and JC designed some really new cool looks like we have.
I called infopop, and discussed with them my hesitations in using these templates. I told them that I was busy, and didn't want more hassles. Would they be a hassle? I was assured they would not, even going so far as to tell me that it would all be handled by infopop as usual. So I hired JC to do a custom template for ifish, which I was, at that time, very pleased with!
Well, the next upgrade, they decided that the JC templates were indeed a hassle, and they decided NOT to support them, any longer. Thus, even with the assurance from the team that they would always be supported, and that it would be no hassle, it has turned into a royal one.
:depressed:
So, to do a UBB upgrade now, I have to hire JC to do the template, AND pay UBB for the upgrade.
If I go back to plain vanilla, then I can go only with the UBB upgrades, as they come out.
The way it is now, I have to hire JC each time, to tweak the code to match our "look".
It's a pain!
So, I don't ever have to stay with this in order to stay updated... If I go back, it will indeed be MUCH easier, but not nearly as nice looking.
However, there are tweaks to be made. I'll try and see if I can get them to increase the font size, without screwing up the table widths.
Jen

[The Fishing Geek]

CSS is pretty straight-forward stuff Jen. If you look at the stylesheet.css (or whatever they called it) there appears to be a section called body. That section should currently show a font size of 9pt. Heck, try and bump it to 10pt for starters and see what happens. It shouldn't affect anything else other than the post text size, and if it does something wrong then go ahead and move it back to 9pt.

Email me if I can be of help.

[Jennie@ifish]

Yeah, css is fairly straightforward, it is the templates that are not. I know how to change the point size in css, and all the colors... it's just that when you do that, it plays with the column setting sizes, etc.
Just as soon leave it up to the people I paid to figure it out.
Besides that, you have to associate a bunch of files together, and that's where it gets really ugly. :smile:
Jen

[GoFish]

My vote, worthless though it may be, is to go back to the plain and simple. For my money, the important thing about this board is the content. I see too much change (not just here) that is in the guise of improvement, but really just adds layers of complexity and results only in change for the sake of change. As an example of what I'm talking about, I would refer you to Steelheader.Net where the site seems so complex, I have a hard time finding the button to post with.

Oh, and I also agree with the comments regarding the harder to read font size.

[ 02-28-2003, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: GoFish ]

[Thumper]

Pleeezzz just don't do what Steelheader.net did!!!! Anything else is OK. We will adjust.

[The Fishing Geek]

What part of it, Thumper? Just curious.

[Hogmaster]

I would have replied sooner but I couldn't read the posts!

Sorry, Jenn, the important thing is readibility.

I'd say maybe TFG could volunteer to fix it all for you but then we might end up with threads that you could only reply to when the theme from "Deliverence" was playing in the background!

"Twing ta ta twing twing"

:grin: :shocked: :grin:

[The Fishing Geek]

Did anyone try my Internet Explorer fix or am I speaking into a dead mic? Did it work?

[Hogmaster]

No, that is a dead rat you are holding! :shocked:

I tried it and the page flashes, and somehow the boxes look a little different but the font size does not change...

[The Fishing Geek]

It did the same thing to me, so maybe it's an IE bug. I just did the font change in Mozilla and it worked like a charm. Love my `zilla.

[Pitch Pocket]

If you can't change the font to a larger size without costing an arm and a leg, it may be best to go back if you can keep upgraded and supported.

I hate when they offer you new and better software only to find that it has holes you can drive a truck through. It happens way too often. If it aint broke, don't fix it!

[Fshklr]

Geek, I just tried it and it made my text areas larger but the font size stayed the same. :wink:

[craigc]

Jen, I'm a proponent of using whatever version of the software that is easiest for you to operate and manage... or freeze it at the current revision level.... we'll adjust... and don't worry about the few complaints..... this is a FREE website... as was stated before, we're here for the content.... when you become as large as Microsoft, or General Motors, then you may need to worry about the details of stylizing your website.... or if you decide to charge the 'clickers'...

The worst case situation is that this website becomes such a burden, that you give it up entirely !!

I believe that you should only make an upgrade if there is a reliability or functional issue that needs to be addressed, so it will decrease your cost and time spent supporting this site. This also includes support for all your advertising vendors that helps defer your costs... Most people don't even notice the performance issues of bandwidth, a few probably do.... but not at the expense of loosing your support...

I think you've done a great job supporting this website and it has accumulated thousands of eyeballs... which gets it's real value from the endless contributions from everyone posting their comments and information... so, please keep it simple... and an asset to your business... it certainly is adding a value to our community !!

[Jennie@ifish]

I have reported all the bugs, and we are just waiting for a response.
If anyone sees any other bugs, please let me know. Here are the ones that we are aware of:

The "feature" graphic shows up on the main ifish community forum, but none of the others.
There is a huge blank space on the right, on that page.
New member is in blue.
Some of the buttons are difficult to read.
The ifish logo, near the top, isn't loading
The columns are set unevenly.
The ifish fishing and hunting table is lined up one way, then the Ifish Guides Charter and tackle lines up another way... then the ifish archives are set another way... It's wacky! :smile:
There's lot of gaps: like the space between posts in a thread.

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Hogmaster:
No, that is a dead rat you are holding!<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">You'd better hope that's what it is. :grin:

[STGRule]

Wow, go away for a few days and somebody re-decorates while you're gone. A little sparse, but still home.

[norms gone fishing too]

jennie i think its great take your time to work every thing out makeing shur you fish at least one time a day to relax whatever you do the site will work for us
keep up the good work and let us know when and were to send the money

norm gone fishing too for springers below longview on sat will post resutls including gps setting if we get real lucky

[ 02-28-2003, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: norms gone fishing too ]

[scrod]

Upgrade? If you paid for this, you have a credit coming. I like the less the better type of website without clutter.

[Jennie@ifish]

Why thank you scrod! :shocked:

I think....

:smile:

Oh well.. I'm trying to get it back in shape, and so are the people at infopop.

I'm incredibly resilient today, and it's a darn good thing!

:smile:
Jen

[timinthegorge]

Not to worry Jen..... it'll be finer than frog hair!

:dance: :bowdown:

[scrod]

Jen,
Upgrades are only for the people that want to sell upgrades. You are working too hard to please the people that sell the ubb. They made a mistake and you should call them on it. Best to you!

[BrionLutz]

Jennie,

Looks to be working fine now including the font.

Of course, I'm an inveterate upgrader, a child of the dot.bomb.

Brion

[guitgary]

Fishing Geek...I tried the font size change all the way up to "largest"...had no effect for me.

Gary

[DB_Cooper]

Testing Redhat v8.0 with Mozilla 1.0.1 and seems to work fine.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Waiteman:
Testing Redhat v8.0 with Mozilla 1.0.1 and seems to work fine.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">1.0.1? Slacker. :tongue:

[Jennie@ifish]

Scrod,
I wish you'd reserve judgement unless you know the whole story.
UBB didn't make a mistake. I wanted the upgrade for a couple features we have waited for for a long time, like stickies.
My board is custom. It takes time to iron out the differences, unless we go back to their plain vanilla board, which works very smoothly.
I could do that, but
I chose to have mine "fancy".
UBB worked very hard last night, after hours, to align columns, space cells, and tweak ifish until I was happy.
I'm happy now. :smile:

Without the gradient bars, it's a little different. But if anything, it is less cluttered than before.
The font is fixed... Everything is dandy, and it's time to get myself into a Springer now~!

Jen

[BrionLutz]

Jennie,

Not sure if this is a InfoPop issue or a pilot error issue.

In the preview, it will show the quote and the following non-quote text seperated by a space but when the message is posted, the text is right next to the quote box with no space.

Is this just a case of remembering to add two spaces after the quoted text or is something infopop can fix.

Brion