SALMON RIVER ANGLERS - Important Meeting

[Joe]

A friend asked me to mention this here.

Attention Salmon River Anglers -- Public Meeting On Salmon River Angling

ODFW biologist and hatchery staff and Oregon State Police Wildlife Enforcement Troopers invite the public to discuss salmon angling within Salmon River.

TOPICS

*Angler ethics, litter, fish vulnerability

*Solutions: discussion on an experimental circle hook regulation, other..

DATE: February 25, 2003 7:00-9:00 PM

Location: Salmon River Grange Hall -- located on HWY 18 near MP 6 just east of the Rose Lodge Store

For more information contact Bob Buckman @ 541-867-4741 or Salmon River Hatchery @ 541-994-8606

[Fishplay]

I don't see a problem with the regs as they are. Experimental circle hooks? HUH??
Enforcement of the regs as they stand is the answer here as it is on other rivers and etsuary's where snagging is a problem.

Snagging is so prevalent, there is no question that a game officers wages would be covered by ticket revenue alone. These people are brazen. They'll let you take pictures of them in action and not miss a jerk while your at it.

Hell these idiots even beg you to make another pass through with your boat so you will spark another "Boat Bite" for them.

One cop fishing and watching from a boat could write tickets, 4-6 at a time in two hour intervals, all day long. Now that is revenue.

Plus the violater loses their liscence for a couple years. That takes the away the illegle harvest pressure.

[fishing is life]

i like the idea of circle hooks. i do believe that only legitimate corky fisherman will be able to hook fish legally.

i think signs should be posted that if littering continues that the fishing will be closed to the bank.

i also would not mind a bobber only fishery here as well.

i wish i could drive to this meeting. i am hoping my voice can be heard in absentia. i am going to give them a call. thanks for posting.

[Bobby Ray]

Joe, Thanks for the heads up.

I also like the circle hook idea.

I love that fishery but it can be fustrating at times, it is a small river and it's hard sometimes not to foul hook a fish, especially when their in thick. I do my best though.

I think there are people who go there to intentially snag a fish. I'm glad to hear that their finally doing something about it.

I'll be there.

BnB

[lovetofish]

I think the circle hook idea is great. I hope this
gets somewhere.

--steve

[Ramstrong]

It'd sure make chucking spinners at the glass house a pain. Maybe circle hooks only above 101. I'll side with fishplay though. enforcement is the key, not more regs. I bet if you tried, it wouldn't be hard to learn to snag with a circle hook too.

[BonkBonkBonk]

i rember people sitting on this bigass log in the middle of this hole on the salmon, sitting there snagging the crap out of fish... :hoboy:

[ 02-13-2003, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: BonkBonkBonk ]

[Joe]

I think the important thing is to go to this meeting or contact Bob Buckman ( District Fish Biologist) and share you ideas or concerns. If you are concerned about the fishery on Salmon River this is your opportunity to make a difference.

I know that there are a bunch of people concerned about it from all the comments I saw on here last fall.

[hickwithaflyrod]

Yea BonkBonk,
That is in the Barn hole its still there and they still do it sometimes. The whole circle hooks thing would be hard when fly fishing because I wouldnt be able to find and fly at a fly shop with them....

John

[willierower]

Even if the salmon went to circle hooks only, it wouldnt stop the snaggers and litter problem. The snaggers will just ignore the new regs.

Enforcement is the key to curbing the snagging problem. I have only seen a state cop on the Salmon one time in all the times I have fished it. :shrug:

[TheRogue]

Doesn't matter if you make it legal to fish with only Snoopy rods and safety pins. If there's no enforcement, it ain't gonna make a bit of difference!! Do you honestly think that someone who knowingly breaks the law by snagging fish on purpose is going to bother with circle hooks?? And it won't make a dang bit of difference with the trash, either!! I packed out my share of garbage bags full last year, and I'm sure I will this coming year as well.


You can have all the rules you want in the world, but if you don't have the ENFORCEMENT to back up the rules, it won't make a difference.

Would I still fish with circle hooks there?? Yup, because I don't snag fish, and the light biters which are mouthing the corky will still be able to be hooked with a circle hook.

How to address the spinner issue, well, maybe go ahead and make it above the 101 bridge only.

My jaded .02

TR

[ 02-13-2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: TheRogue ]

[MasterCaster]

I have to agree with willierower. I dont fish the Salmon very much but I stop and look pretty often and when I have been there I have never seen an officer on the banks or in a boat. I have seen them drive right by without stopping and once saw one stand on the bridge watching people but he never stepped foot off of the bridge to check a tag or anything. :shrug: I think a visible presence of a uniformed officer or 2 daily even if just for a few minutes would do a lot for cleaning up the area around 101. A couple tickets a day and just knowing that an officer will be by at some point would keep some of the snagging down.

The circle hook idea is a good thought but I dont like it. It would pretty much limit it to bait only. Now maybe a limitation on "floating" lures have to have circle hooks or something would be better. :whazzup:

Im glad they are trying to clean the river up though. graemlins/applause.gif :cheers:

I will try and be at the meeting.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[TheRogue]

Besides, right now the real bad ones are pretty confined to the Salmon, a pretty tight space, with a large hatchery component. If it really made an affect on them, where do ya suppose they would go?? To the nearest other river with a ton of fish, easy access, and no enforcement.

TR

[fishing is life]

i talked with Bob Buckman with the ODFW and he said if you can not make the meeting you can email him your comments on this issue.

his email address is :

robert.c.buckman@state.or.us


i agree that if they do not enforce these rules then this will be for nothing. i dont want this fishery closed due to bad press.

[willametteriveroutlaw]

The salmon is a ****hole, there are the lowest of the lowest lifes there. i have fished it 4 times in 4 years of living in salem.
I would rather see them there than at the nestucca any day of the week though.

[Born to be Wild]

I was under the impression that the nestucca, or at least PC boat ramp was worse.

I don't live far from there (Dopey Bay), but seldom Fish it. I prefer fishing Coho in rivers over fishing tidewater. I have seen Hathway there quite a few times before he retired near the 101 bridge and inside the forest service hole.
Saw a different trooper at the grassy bank hole once and he talked Indian Darryl into untieng his boat, coming over and picking up the Trooper and taking him accross to the other side to check their tags, etc. How 'bout that one!

Do circle hooks work for Salmon?
Never heard of them used for anything other than Halibut?

I suspect a friend of mine might have been behind this reg proposal. He's been asking me to ask Bob about it for months everytime I mention that I will be talking to him.

Mark guides these days, and is a Bobber fishing fool or purist and it's hard to get him to fish anything else. He has a real attitude when it comes to corkies! I can understand part of it.

A couple rivers in Washington (Elocoman & Naeselle) have a non snagging type reg where you have to keep your bait moving. I believe it is pretty effective. You haven't seen snagging till you go to Southwest Washington.

Ever check the lead after you or someone else flosses there teeth with a corkie?
Rarely seen a lead that didn't have the scratches on it from the chinooks teeth!
Apparently the Chinook usually swims into the main line and not the leader.

By the way, Bob is a good Guy. Honest open minded Biologist looking out for the future of the fishery and a good source of info.

[RvW]

Dan...I think we know each other. send me an email please. Same with you Bandon guys, I know you too!

As far as Salmon river regs, I am all for a more rigouruos approach to such a small river.

Boats only?

HAHA!..that would be nice...circle jerks,,,oops I mean circle hooks? uhh ok, as long as those guys who call themselves "xperts" (AKA locals) can pick up ther 40 oz beer bottles and corndog sticks when they LEAVE the bank and trudge through all the private property they think is a right-of-way....Yep, Salmon is 99% private property, ....even the poluted piece east of the HWY 101 bridge.

I have not fished it since getting shot at with a 22.......thats how hungry LCers are for fish!!!

[fishing is life]

DepoebayDan,

i think that is interesting about the WA reg where you have to keep your bait moving. i wonder if they have ever heard of a buzz bomb. at the minimum they should ban those on small waters. also, just because you dont move your bait doesnt mean you cant entice a fish to take a corky in the mouth consistently.

i have never used circle hooks. i have seen them. i wonder why they use them for halibut fishing?

[Joe]

Just wanted to bring this back up to the top in case anyone missed it.

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

TTT

[6horsekicker]

Circle hooks sound good to me. People in that river slay the fish to the magnatude of 30-60 a day or more on the good ones. All most all those fish are flossed. Mabey they should make it kwick fish and bobber only :grin: I've wanted to fish that river for many years and be able to anchor and drop a k-15 right in the middle of the barn hole, but graemlins/icon_argue.gif that would not be very popular with all the snaggers.

And I have been up there a few times to fish bobbers, but you need to get there in late July before the fish are spooked to get them to bite. Not too many fish in the river at that time :shrug:

:grin: :grin: :grin:

-6horse

[ 02-24-2003, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: 6horsekicker ]

[Born to be Wild]

6horse.

I don't think they should limit it to Kwickfish and bobber's only. I have seen wobbler's and spinner's work real well also.

Meeting's in a couple hours. Maybe we'll see ya there.

Dropped off some WDFW fishing reg's to Bob at ODFW a little while ago regarding the "Line and weight and lure or bait must be moving (not stationary)" reg's on the Naeselle and Elocoman rivers in Washington.

Think I'll try and call Joe Hymer at WDFW real quick before 5:00pm and inquire about the effectiveness of this reg.

Gotta Go!