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[Dan Christopher]

I have a source at the Coast Guard and he just sent me this e-mail. It seams that they are going to have the marine patrol and Coast Guard start to go after portable propane heaters on boats. He says portable gas heaters are agents the law and they are going to start enforcing it, so watch out. So if you don't want a ticket I hope you read this and keep your heater in the garage. Boy this is going to make for some cold trips out on the river, but hopefully keep some money in your pocket.


"Although portable heaters are not specifically disallowed in ABYC A-1,
most would be prohibited until it could be demonstrated that they meet the
requirements of A-1. The fact that section 1.5.1 requires a detailed
diagram and system operating instructions on each boat would prohibit a
lot of portable systems. The following are other requirements in ABYC A-1
which would likely cause portable systems to be disapproved:

1. Pressure gage required on regulator.
2. Safety signs required near cylinder
3. Electrical devices in the compartment must be ignition protected.

Probably the most important thing is that the installation has to be such
that any leaking gas is either directed straight overboard or be in a
locker or enclosure that only opens to the atmosphere. A heater that just
sits on deck, where a heavier than air gas leak could potentially pool up
for some unsuspecting fisherman to toss a cigarette, is not acceptable."

[ 02-21-2003, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: MADWIZERD ]

[Keta]

Looks to me like the water ***** don't have enough to do.

[fishchaser]

You know we have a hightened terrorist alert and other more worrisom problems going on out on the river, Why do we need to be hassled by the Coast guard for trying to be warm, while fishing. Don't they have more important things to worry about? :mad:

What is wrong with people this year? :mad:

Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm the BAD GUY! :shrug:

Hey STZII be prepared to get a ticket, Cause we will have BOTH heaters this weekend. :shocked:

I'll pay the tickets, and tell the coast guard where they can put the heaters afterwards. graemlins/stupid.gif

Jesze you would think that the propane Co. thought of this sooner, when they put an odor to propane graemlins/dork.gif

Maybe it's just me, I've been in a bad mood all day. :depressed:

[ 02-12-2003, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: fishchaser ]

[Dan Christopher]

There may be more to this then the goverment wants to tell right know. :shrug: Just watch out.

[Bigdog]

Unbelievable. :hoboy: WIZ do you have the the actual regs in text on that law?

[SafetyChain]

Well, I was thinking about getting one, now I guess I won't. Good thing I got new insulated bibs in the mail yesterday

[Bigdog]

What about barbaques :shocked: :whazzup: cold food, no bacon and eggs! :mad: graemlins/berry.gif

[Tilla]

Boy, is this guy in trouble.

http://www.ifish.net/uploads/44542139.jpg

[Sturgeon Tom]

I just called the portland Coast Guard and thay said that thay are not going to go out and give tickets. That thay have seen the portable heaters and have never said anything. They have no plans on doing anything different than they are currently doing. Stay worm. :smile:

[ 02-12-2003, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Sturgeon Tom ]

[Amerman]

Dan

My understanding of this law is that it only covers coast guard vessels. So all guides that are licensed by the coast guard can not carry these tanks. This has been a law for guides for many years and one that next to no one follows. But I thought it did not pertain to none coast guard vessels. This did not seem far to me but as it was explained to me by the coast guard is that since guide carry paying passengers they are held to a higher standard. This has been my understanding of the law and it will be interesting if they start enforcing it.

I quit carrying mine when I found out about this rule and just bring individual hand held heat bags.

[Dan Christopher]

Tom
this is new and I was just told this today. Most of the coasties dont even know yet. It will happen, but will take some time to get there ducks in a row and "so we can brief/train our small boat station boarding officers as well as our State boating safety officers. "<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I am not telling you to take them out yet , I am just saying get ready to be cold. :depressed:

[bllelk]

MY Son is a Coastie. He has a propane heater on his boat (19' Hewes River Runner). He makes sure it is used properly. He enforces the regs everyday as part of his job. The other part of his job is pulling dumb fishermen out of the water. For this he got the 4th highest award the USCG gives this year. It was for going into the surf off the Rogue River bar and sucessfully pulling a captzied fishing boat with a woman and child caught under the hull out of the surf.
Water ****???
Why do you guys think they have alcohol stoves and heaters for boats? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

[Stz ll]

So what are you saying bllelk?

[Jennie@ifish]

It's always been the rule for Coast Guard licensed guides on trips, but I've never heard this for the every day angler.
I somehow doubt that it will ever be enforced.
Jen

[Keta]

bllelk,
Not realy disrespect to the CG, but my observation from dealing with them weekly for 4 years. Rules made for Florida or New York being inforced in Alaska. Guns out to check for life jackets and fire extinguishers. I have many friends that are either still in the CG or retired and the term "Water ****" came from a 25 year CG petty officer

[bllelk]

STZII

What I'm saying is:

1. I don't have a lot of patience for people that call people who make a career out of saving lives "Water *****".

2. If propane stoves and heaters weren't dangerous, they wouldn't make alcohol heaters and stoves for boats.

3. The degree of ones emotional upset is inversely porportional to ones knowledge of the facts. The less you know, the hotter you get.

[WaterDog]

I like to be warm. The heat stays!

On another subject:
The degree of ones emotional upset is inversely porportional to ones knowledge of the facts. The less you know, the hotter you get. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">You want to post that over on the sewage spill thread? :wink:

[ 02-12-2003, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: WaterDog ]

[chillybones]

i just won a heater at bi-mart's lucky number day, it's in my boat and will stay there. this is still the USA home of the free, isn't it?c.b. graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/berry.gif

[fish_on]

They can ticket me, throw me in jail for not paying it and when I get out I will fish in the cold with my heater on high!

[fishmore1]

Great now we freeze in the boat! What is next you can fish but with no hooks LOL

[Tilla]

Make a run for it! I bet they can't get that cutter up the section between the Coffey and Carbody hole on the Clack!

[Rocky]

like uh....what if we was to just have a heater in the boat and never use it? :smile:

Ron

[mike5097]

Here ya go..........Problem solved :mad:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=183543&memberId=-2000

Mike

[Dan Christopher]

Oh you guys are so lucky.

My guy at the Coast Guard just E-mailed back that they are only going to be enforcing this on guide boats for now. You guys have nothing to worry about for now. I think they must have thought it over and decided it was to hard to in-force. Who knows. Maybe they read I-fish and saw the problems it would cause. But they will be enforcing it on guide boats. I will let you know if they change there minds about pleasure boats.

Let the heat flow freely. :dance:

[Stz ll]

Thanks for staying on top of this Wiz. :smile:

Pete

[FROGGY]

I respect our coast guard, but the term I use to call them is PUDDLE PIRATES :smile:

[Beaver1]

Thanks for the updates!

[Jennie@ifish]

They have always enforced it on guide boats....
:whazzup:
I'll call them and see what's up.
Jen

[ 02-12-2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[BUGLEMAN]

I know of alot more people and boats that have been burned in Alcohol fires than propane.

[Away2Long]

Thanks for the info Wiz.

They can change their minds but I'm not changing mine when it comes to heat in my boat. I'm packing. :wink:

[CATCH AND EAT]

Sheezz Dan, this thread was just like one of your fishing trips. Get us all hyped up :dance: then you get there :smile: and at the end of the day :shrug: . Just kidding ya a little. You sure got us all HOT under the colar.

Here fishy, fishy, fishy......hey, get away from that heater!!!!!!! :grin:

[Dan Christopher]

Catch and Eat
I was just relaying what I was told by the Coast Guard today. Heck, it got me worked up too. I thought you were going to have to start burning firewood in the boat to keep warm. :grin:


As for my fishing trips, you fished a lot more than I did that day. At least I caught fish. How did you do again :tongue: Stick to Sturgeon fishing buddy :wink: :grin:

[Keta]

Wiz,
Get a kerosene or diesel heater. I've never liked propane or alcohol in boats, with the exception of a beer at the dock at the end of the day :cheers:

[bllelk]

So the rich guys fishing with guides have to freeze their butts off?

Seems fair to me.

I'll bet that is the Democrat's response to tax free dividends.

[chinarider]

So do we know what the cost of the ticket will be, if and when they start enforcing?

Tom

[bllelk]

By the way Joe, if you get on this thread. Forget everything I said about rich guys, democrats, guides etc. And don't forget the heater next week. :grin: :grin: :grin:

[Rod Holder]

Don't you folks see the big picture? all these heaters are contributing to global warming :smile: gots to run and get some more propane cylinders for this weekend.........ya know, this may be just the thing to convince the spousal unit of our need for a Wallas diesel stove/heater.

[fishchaser]

You know the way things are going, I may have to move to Russia to be free :whazzup:

[tailslapper]

Hey that is great! Just think about it, you need a license and certification just to keep your basic need for warmth!!! NO PROBLEM!!! What a over extention of regulation.

Maybe next we'll have to get a punch card for every wise crack we make.


GRRRRRRRR

[Gus Orviston]

Gosh, out of all the things I have seen run across this board, I don't think I have ever seen a fire, let alone one cause by a heater being discussed.

gus, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Dan Christopher]

Im told "LPG or CNG cooking systems
are allowed in cooking systems but there are standards they must meet". He is checking and is going to get back to me on these standers, along with a copy of ABYC A-1 for reference.

[Stz ll]

Just another way to extract some more money out of us. They must have figured out that this is way to get some easy revenue. :mad:

[id. painter]

What about a propane stoves? A collman two burner stove? No breakfast!!!!!!! This cant be true. id. p.

[Chilly one]

:whazzup: WOW!!! More enforcement? We all have been using heaters for YEARS!!!! Why all the HEAT at this time? Does this mean we are going to have enforcement checking on us when we are camping w/Coleman cooking stoves in a campsite/campgrounds now? Why don't they spend more time looking for industrial polluters, cargo ship pollution, and oil spills instead of this tic tac toe stuff? Ridiculous!!! I wonder when the last fire or rescue they responded to due to heaters in a boat!!! COME ON!!! :shrug:

[reeldick]

Tilla,
The guy running the boat is terrific. A face everyone could love.
A guide like that could make big tips.

[Stz ll]

Wiz, maybe you can find out from your contact. Are they planing to just go out and start writing tickets to all of the unsuspecting fisherman. Or will there be some official notification that they are going to enforce this ridiculous rule ? Perhaps a grace period where only warnings will be issued.

Pete

[kevray]

I would have to think that some manufacturer will come up with a new product to meet all of the regs. Any ideas-we can make a fortune.

What a joke :mad: :mad: graemlins/berry.gif

[Tilla]

So, is there a way to make it legal and can the propane equipment suppliers assist in meeting regs? The electrical systems in vessels being intrinsically safe would be tough.

[Norm]

What about butane lighters, do they need a pressure gauge? Somebody doesn't have enough to do. graemlins/berry.gif

[Tacklebuster]

Water *****

Too funny Keta graemlins/applause.gif :laugh:

[Dan Christopher]

There will be no "grace period " but they are apparently only going to give warning for the time being. If you trust your wallet with that.
I am still waiting for more info and will post it when I get it. My source definitely wanted everyone to have fair warning.

Tilla
If you do all the things that they ask to make it legal, you still have to take it down and get it approved by the commandant or something like that. The wiring alone would cost a small fortune.

[ 02-12-2003, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: MADWIZERD ]

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

What about liquid fuel pocket warmers? :grin:

[GoFish]

I'll surrender my catalytic heater when they pry my cold, dead fingers from the .... oh wait that's the other thing they want to take away from me. :rolleyes:

Come to think of it, I'm always hearing of on-board fires resulting from catalytic heaters. NOT!!!

I should be thankful that there are soooo many people getting paid to sit around and worry about how to protect me from myself graemlins/dork.gif :shrug:

[CATCH AND EAT]

Sorry Dan but this is over the top. :mad: This borders on paranoid, out lawing heaters on boats. Somebody out there is reactionary at best. Whoever you are that thought up this restriction here is what I think of it. graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/berry.gif graemlins/stupid.gif

Coast Guard, I love ya guys but if ya hassle me over this I'm gonna fight it tooth and nail. I guess I will have a lot of unpaid tickets this year during the springer season.

One way to avoid a ticket is to not look suspicious. So please leave your turbins at home if you plan on fishing. And Tilla, you might loose the floppy eared hat if ya know whats good for ya! :grin:

[CATCH AND EAT]

Originally posted by MADWIZERD:
Catch and Eat
As for my fishing trips, you fished a lot more than I did that day. At least I caught fish. How did you do again :tongue: Stick to Sturgeon fishing buddy :wink: :grin: <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Ouch baby, ouch!!! Someday......someday.....I'll be able to catch my own steelhead. I have resigned myself to the fact that I SUCK at steelhead fishing. graemlins/dork.gif But that does'nt mean I will quite trying :grin: After all, "A blind squirel finds an acorn once in a while" :cheers:

Just a note though Dan, just how dark was that fish you caught that day and did the cat actually eat it or not? :shocked: :cheers:

[ 02-13-2003, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: CATCH AND EAT ]