More Clack summer steelhead pics... 12-06-02 [Archive]

Fishin Magician

12-07-2002, 07:24 AM

mark- what are you trying to say.........As it has been said many times these are hatchery fish that are meant to be caught. They are produced to be caught. I am sure that UG went home with a couple of nice fish to eat. Not really much different than catching and releasing a bunch of dark salmon to eventually get a limit of bright fish. Just curious as to where you're coming from :whazzup: . I can understand the view of not traumatizing these fish and letting them come back next spring , however , do you fish for wild steelhead in march........knowing that you are not going to keep them. kinda the same situation, dont you think..... :wink: Anyhow I would say nice fish UG looks like a good time. And mark this isnt a slam I am just trying to understand your point of view...... :smile:

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The Fishing Geek

12-07-2002, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Uglygreen:
Need I say more? :grin:

UGYeah, you do.

Email me where those shots are. I'm Jonesing really bad.

Fast Water

12-07-2002, 08:01 AM

FishinMission,

I agree whole heartily about not wanting to harass the spawners.

But when you say........

Originally posted by FishinMission:

Why not leave 'em alone, and spare them the trauma of a hookset, a "brawl"....
Mark....When could you fish knowing you would not hook up on a spawner? In our river (NF Lewis) we have had Steelhead that look like that for the past three months and more than likely they will be around a while longer. Though I might not take a fish like that at this time of year (except that beautiful winter!) I don't see the issue. As a hatchery game fish, that is what they are there for and in fact, a number of them get recycled for the pupose of getting caught....

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crabbait

12-07-2002, 08:25 AM

Beautiful photos, UG! Those all look like hatchery fish to me. Entering the ecosystem as natural spawners was just never in the cards for them.

Looks like a great day on the river!

KillerDave

12-07-2002, 08:36 AM

UG-

Nice photos. The scenery shot's bring back some memories. I used to jump off those cliffs back in High School. Probably not the smartest thing, but it was fun!

NEUTRON

12-07-2002, 08:39 AM

Yep, another great day for UG, way to go Brad.
Hatchery fish that they want to be removed.

DJ, I'd swear that is cazadaro's (sp) area by the pic :wink: , just get off yer butt.

Oh well, rain is on the way and the boaters can get into some action and have some fishing to do. Good luck EVERYONE and happy
holidays, tis the season.

from acceptable use:
Ifish.net is not the place for bashing of people ...this is a free board that takes a lot of work.... Please don't ruin the chance to help other fishermen by abusing this right.

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Catch 22

12-07-2002, 08:45 AM

Are the first two pics above North Fork Res.? The first pic looks like it was taken from the dock at the boat ramp looking upstream. Am I close?

Stz ll

12-07-2002, 09:39 AM

:smile:

fishchaser

12-07-2002, 10:08 AM

You need to post those first few pics on the meatless pics site. That is some beautiful looking scenery. graemlins/hearton.gif

You know people acually leave this state to look for a better place to live? How can you get a better place to live than right here in Oregon. Let alone here in the outskirts of the city or Portland. Great pics graemlins/applause.gif

The Fishing Geek

12-07-2002, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by NEUTRON:
Yep, another great day for UG, way to go Brad.
Hatchery fish that they want to be removed.

DJ, I'd swear that is cazadaro's (sp) area by the pic :wink: , just get off yer butt.

Oh well, rain is on the way and the boaters can get into some action and have some fishing to do. Good luck EVERYONE and happy
holidays, tis the season.I pretty much figured that's where he was. I'll be getting off the butt tomorrow morning to see if I can scare anything up. That is, unless the place is ******** packed with rigs, which then I'll head somewhere else on the river.

Spot

12-07-2002, 03:45 PM

UG,

Why do all your fish look so sad?

Jettin' Fool

12-07-2002, 03:52 PM

Thanks for the new wallpaper!

Fool :cool:

Nanook

12-07-2002, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by NEUTRON:
from acceptable use:
Ifish.net is not the place for bashing of people ...this is a free board that takes a lot of work.... Please don't ruin the chance to help other fishermen by abusing this right.Saw an opinion, not any abuse.

:sleep:

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The Fishing Geek

12-07-2002, 06:57 PM

Lines two and three of FM's post would be classified as a bash in my book, but thankfully for all I'm not running the site.

It could have been stated as an opinion. Instead, it was stated as an attack. Funny how words can make that difference.

Salmonator

12-07-2002, 07:10 PM

Mark, you are the last person on this board that I would expect to tell someone else they have an ego problem. I figured you would be too busy painting over your "fishin mission" logo to bother poor old UG.... BTW Ugly, cool pics...

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SureSet

12-07-2002, 07:42 PM

Come on, you guys seem more interested in how nice the fish look in the pictures rather than how they got that way. Theres a fish on a dry rock, none are being held such that they don't flail around on the rocks and without a second person, they were most likely pretty well worn out to lay there that nice. The whole photo setup looks somewhat negative to endure for any fish that are going to be sent back (which I assume at least some were), regardless of anyone's feelings for keeping late summers or not......

If there was a couple people and they bonked all four and plan on feeding them all to their families, I'll stand corrected (in disbelief but corrected). Otherwise, save the C&R photos for carefully handled fish.

SureSet

Catch 22

12-07-2002, 07:51 PM

I would like to know if those fish were caught above North Fork. Those pics look familiar.

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MasterCaster

12-07-2002, 07:57 PM

First off....... Very nice pics UG! Nice fish!

Second......This is the main reason I dont post many C&R pics or even most of the fish I keep. There will always be someone out there that will find something to complain about. It seems like those people dont have anything better to do than put others down. :whazzup: :hoboy: :rolleyes:

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

crabbait

12-07-2002, 08:09 PM

In a perfect world, we would compliment UG on a great day on the river and if we had comments as to how to improve some otherwise great pictures we would send them to him via e-mail.

Alas, we do live in a perfect world. I assumed that the chromer on the rocks went on a tag along with the last beautifully colored fish.

Yes, catch and release pictures are best when fish are in the water or cradled just out of the water. Not always possible when you are alone on the river or when your buddy is not close at hand. If these were native fish I could understand the comments. However, consider that these fish are bound for the creel or the catfood truck. I do not feel that they were disrespected.

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Salmonator

12-07-2002, 08:13 PM

Yea, that chromer has that "just got bonked" look in it's eyes doesn't it...

ChrisN

12-07-2002, 10:39 PM

Nice scenic pics

Chris :cool:

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willierower

12-08-2002, 12:56 PM

Nice Pictures UG!! graemlins/applause.gif Screw what the other whiners think!!! graemlins/berry.gif

Brine

12-08-2002, 02:21 PM

Well done UG. There is a certain logic to killing all those summer fish as they will compete with the winter spawners of much more credible genetic stock.

Trick

12-08-2002, 05:56 PM

Great Pic's UG.......This is why I hate December. 6 day work weeks and no time to fish.

Most everything I've heard on this board in the past seemed to conclude that brats spawning in the wild produce ZERO offspring. In the chance that one spawner is a nate and the other a brat the results are still ZERO offspring.

Besides, these fish will not spawn for a couple more months? Is the term spawner accurate when that much time is left before the spawn?

The only advantages to letting these fish go would be eggs for the hatchery (if quotas were not met), another angler getting the pleasure to catch them, future food bank stock and another carcass to use for stream nutrient enhancement.

Disadvantages in letting these fish survive would be all those mentioned in thousands of prior posts suggesting the negative impacts they have on our native runs.

Personally I probally wouldn't have kept the colored ones for food fair but I have no problem in anyone else keeping them.

I believe if these fish died from the experience and are laying on the bottom of the river, the ecosystem is better for it.

Handle all nates with extreme care and always keep exhaustive battles to a minimum. Do not lift them out of the water. Release as quickly as possible. Keep contact with slime coat to a minimum and keep your fingers or other body parts out of the gills. Revive fish that cannot mantain balance and swim on their own power.

And as Crabbait put it Entering the ecosystem as natural spawners was just never in the cards for them. That is exactly right!

Todd

fishing is life

12-08-2002, 09:23 PM

i could not help myself on this one. Fishin Mission, you seem like you have a chip on your shoulder for UG. you seem like you are attacking him personally on your post. those fish he is catchin are of good quality and he is probably taking them home and eating them. they are hatcheries in the pics from what i can see. Dave Johnson was doing the same thing the other day along with many others just like me the in the last few weeks. i dont think there is anythuing wrong with tageting those fish. i happen to like his pics and the info he shares. i have read a few of your replys lately and you dont seem to be very friendly or helpful. i know you have been on here for a while and maybe you were different in your "earlier days". i probably should have taken this to email but i feel like i needed to state this in the forum. anyway you are entitled to your opinion and so am i.

fishing is life

12-08-2002, 09:27 PM

double post

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MasterCaster

12-08-2002, 09:39 PM

fishing is life graemlins/applause.gif :cheers: graemlins/applause.gif

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

Wernergonefishin

12-08-2002, 09:45 PM

Nice fish Its shame that somebody post a couple pics of some nice steelhead and it turns into a bunch of fighting and character bashing. I hope that at some point Jenny will put a stop to it . I dont come to this site to read about whining and bashing , I like to read about fish reports. Those were damn nice fish by any means.

Uglygreen

12-08-2002, 10:11 PM

Wow... gone for a couple of days and all this...

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Mark (FishinMission)

One good insult deserves another, but as I generally get a warning from a moderator when I indulge in such I will refrain this time.

However I will point out your hypocrisy:

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FishinMission Member # 706 posted 12-07-2002 07:34 AM
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(RE: Clackamas Summers)

Why not leave 'em alone, and spare them the trauma of a hookset, a "brawl"...and a photo opportunity, as a trade-off for perhaps a bigger "incoming" fish next spring summer??

Sheesh.

Mark
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FishinMission Member # 706 posted 11-21-2002 11:08 AM
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(RE: Clackamas Summers)

I'm gonna go take a look. Let ya know what I see probably tomorrow.

If nothin' else...there should be some downhillers coming through to cause some excitement.

I'm off.

Mark
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FishinMission Member # 706 posted 11-13-2001 01:06 PM
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Ben...My sights are on the Clack with the exception of this Saturday. Watching the levels from today on...probably gonna try it Thursday. It's just about time. Usually this time of November...the river is usually full of downhill summer steelies, and I'm expecting a few more than normal coho...tho you can't keep 'em. Regardless...being 5 minutes from the house...the Clack is a good option for some early afternoon missions in the sled. If you're around during the week...give me a shout and you can ride along.

I'll post any success I have otherwise.

Mark

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Sooo.... my question is if you target "downhill summer steelies" as quoted (twice), what the heck is your problem with my post?

Seems like your just trying to cause trouble. I know you dont like me, so instead of taking cheap shots, why not just come out and say what your real problem is? Doing this just makes you look like an ass.

And Have a Nice Day! :smile:

UG

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Uglygreen

12-08-2002, 10:29 PM

And for those who might be ignorant:

These fish are not "spawners" and will never be such.

1) No clipped fish make it past Cazadero Dam on the Clackamas. All clipped fish are pulled out by ODFW at the North Fork fish trap and either recycled downstream or planted in local lakes (such as Faraday) as "surplus" fish for the unsuspecting trout fisherman. Nearly all the wild summers are past the dam and the trap, on their way to spawn in the upper Clackamas, most going to the Collawash fork. 90% of the fish below the trap are clipped.

2) Many of the clipped fish you catch have a punch hole in the gillplate, I've even gotton some with 2 punches, meaning that those fish have already been recycled downstream twice. They are there to catch.

3) These fish have some color, a little or a lot, but all are in very good shape, bright orange meat, and the hens have egg skeins that will generally be less developed than a fresh winter fish. Most will Jump several times, and with the cold water temps are agressive to bite and easy to release unharmed.

It's amazing to me how some have gone so far that it is now un-PC to take a picture of a clipped hatchery fish. BS - I will keep catching them untill winter fishing turns on, and the post a buncha winter pics. Untill then, its the best game in town - go get em!

UG

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k9jeff

12-08-2002, 11:45 PM

yeeehaww!!! :grin:

FISH HAWK

12-09-2002, 02:17 AM

Way to put him in his place.!!!! Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing good info and photos.

PapaHog

12-09-2002, 03:25 AM

Fishing is Life. Great post and I agree.

No need to attack in public and I believe that is what FM did in the post.

Fishing is Life; Thanks for your opionion and your post.

:cheers:
Hog

PapaHog

12-09-2002, 03:28 AM

UG, Great pictures. Please keep them coming. I love the new wallpaper..

Thank You
Hog

I would love a day like that.

Uglygreen

12-09-2002, 06:21 AM

Todd, I agree

Originally posted by Trick:
Besides, these fish will not spawn for a couple more months? Is the term spawner accurate when that much time is left before the spawn?Every adult anadramous fish entering or in fresh water is a "spawner". Weather it is a coho passing bouy 10, an URB at Bonneville, or a summer steelhead on the Clackamas, they all are going upstream on their reproductive cycle to spawn and reproduce and they all deserve our respect.

UG

Sea Nymph

12-09-2002, 08:43 AM

Ugly, you wouldn't wanna give an approximation of the where-abouts you caught those would ya?

SN

Uglygreen

12-09-2002, 10:04 AM

Between the top of Estacada lake and Cazadero dam off Faraday road. Go get em.

UG

5-Cents

12-09-2002, 12:05 PM

Steelie Steve,

I have always heard that steelhead are big ocean going rainbow trout. They live after spawning and head back out to sea. Why would thier meat go bad like a salmon? Those rosy colored fish taste great!

:cheers:

Trick

12-09-2002, 12:18 PM

Mark, you don't mind if I rummage through your trash tonight ? I might find a treasure!

:smile:

5-Cents

12-09-2002, 12:33 PM

I can't believe the negativity here graemlins/berry.gif

Someday when I get older I hope I am cool enough to sit at the cool kids table at lunch :hoboy:

If you don't have something nice to say just don't post. Seems like some of us dont want to post reports anymore so we have to slam the people that do. graemlins/icon_argue.gif

Looks like a good number of people like UG's reports. Imagine that! A fishing board with reports. graemlins/idea.gif

Some people like peas, some like carrots and some like neither why do some people have a problem with it?

Bottom line is that UG had a great day fishing and I am sure that 99% of the people on this board would love to have a little afternoon session like UG did. For the other 1% that have sooooo many fish in thier freezer that UG's fish look like garbage keep your comments to yourself. They are negative and childish! :hoboy:

foxer

12-09-2002, 12:34 PM

Not to sound like a parrot, but i too appreciate UG's reports. And I do not have a problem with anyone keeping hatchery fish. Bonk away!!

Hogmaster

12-09-2002, 12:38 PM

Nickle and SS -

The flesh DOES deteriorate on a steelhead that stays in the river, not to the point of falling apart, but it does get soft.

This is especially true of a "comeback" or downstreamer after spawning steelhead.

Think of it sorta like running a range buffalo from Astoria to Clearwater Idaho without feeding him. He might survive, but if you take him he's bound to be a bit stringy when you get him off the barbie!

That being written, if the fish are pre-spawn, they may not be quite as firm as a chromer. But that doesn't mean that they are spongemeat either. And they still have that steelhead flavor, barbed or smoked. Ummmmmm...

If it is really long and has a beat up tail, doesn't fight hard and looks half dead in general, it is probably a comeback. Who knows where a hatchery brat might try to drop a load. In that case if you can revive him, you probably should as he/she is a gamer and just might survive to come back another day after getting healthy. If a brat dies, as has been pointed out, nutrients in the river...

:cheers:

Fishin Magician

12-09-2002, 12:52 PM

I dont see the problem here Mark........The guy went out and caught some fish, Took some beautiful pictures and posted them for all of us to see and appreciate. I have not had the chance to see this side of you until now, and I dont understand why you are putting down UG on this subject. He was neither bragging or bolstering his ego. He is simply sharing some cool pictures of scenery as well as some with fish in them. Dont be a hippocrate as you and I know that somewhere in your picture albums are fish like this ( Nothing wrong with them ). Why the holier than thou attitude.............I have said some things I wish I could take back in the past, and the easiest way to get over it is to say "hey, you caught me on a bad day" or something, eat a little crow and move on. We are all on here to read , teach , share ideas , and learn more about fishing. Just man up and lets move on to the most important reasons we come here.................... :cheers:

Salmonator

12-09-2002, 02:02 PM

5 Cents, to the best of my knowledge only something like 8% live to make the trip again and of those almost all are hens. If I can find where I read it I'll post it... Joe

crabbait

12-09-2002, 03:23 PM

I believe that I have already voiced my opinion that UG's fish and pics were great in my book. Good on ya, UG.

If anyone does not wish to fish for summers in December, feel free not to.

If your intention is to educate or inform and you really want to influence someone, please contact them through private message or e-mail. It is much more likely that your message will be received as it was intended rather than taking it up on the board.

If you think someone's behavior was unethical and that a post is not appropriate for the board, please contact me or another moderator. We make those decisions often.

Any more tirades on this thread and it will be closed.

Uglygreen

12-09-2002, 04:24 PM

Crabbait...

Please don't erase/close this thread just cause Mark was a little snippy.... No one (Mark Included) has even come close to violating the acceptable use policy.

I have a thick skin, no problems here. :grin:

As long as others (like Mark) don't mind taking a little crap in return for what they dish out, we should be fine. Tirades and all.

I havn't complained to a moderator about the contents, I don't mind this conversation being public. I assume Mark hasn't complained either, were just havin a little fun. Don't make Ifish too boring, most of us moved past first grade a long time ago.

If you want to make us hold hands, it just aint gonna happen, Entering the ifishsystem as good buddies was just never in the cards for us.

I be the spawner man, Okay Cool, I happen to like spawning! :wink:

Mark be the non-spawner man, Okay Cool, good for him!

No offense, but why don't ya go moderate something else, we are fine here.

UG

(Or better yet, go fishing)

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BillH

12-09-2002, 04:37 PM

Those are beautiful typical late fall summer steelhead! Those fish may look a little thinner
than they did last June or so when they entered the river but they are NOT downstreamers or even close. Summers don't spawn until midwinter or even into the spring! Being hatchery summers, they are not even part of the equation of future runs of summer fish. What beautiful pictures!! I am envious!!!
If you need more information about the life cycle of summer steelhead, please talk to a biologist at ODF&W.

crabbait

12-09-2002, 04:51 PM

UG - I agree that neither you nor Mark (FM) have asked that this thread be attended to, however, you are not the only two who have read this thread. I have received several comments that it has turned negative and that it should be closed.

Instead, I chose to leave it open with an entreaty to handle the negative stuff privately.

As to moderation, no offense taken but I will continue to give it my best efforts and will apply my best judgement supplemented with input from other users, moderators and, of course, Jennie.

You are correct, you do not have to get along with everyone. Take the fight elsewhere!

'Nuff said.

TEXAS RIG

12-09-2002, 04:54 PM

Nice Fish, Also Nice Spot On The River.

NEUTRON

12-09-2002, 05:09 PM

Crabby, you're darn good for being so crabby... :wink: :smile: :tongue:

Mr. Shannon O'Brien

12-09-2002, 05:11 PM

So Fishin' Mission is still on this site. I guess we are all targeting spawners. I assumed spawners had scabs and were really dark. Assume? Not!

Them fish are trulely gorgeous. Whether fishing for trout or active steelhead you still made it outdoors and enjoyed yourself UG, and even shared your experience with us. Great job!

Would love to see some more spawners. I couldn't help myself. Really those are not spawners. Actually any adult that enters fresh water is considered a spawner, so they looked good to me. When they do take on color they are in a pre-spawn.

One food for thought to the few that assume that these fish were spawners. Why the hell wasn't the tail tore apart from digging??? Exactly

Keep up your enthusiasm for the pursuit of catching "clean" fish.

Shannon

Leatherneck

12-09-2002, 05:24 PM

We are all on the same team. Like Marines and Navy guy's. One night were fist fighting one another and after it's all over we shake hand's, that's if the navy guy get's off the deck. :cheers:

KingFisher85

12-09-2002, 05:25 PM

You know what UG, I wanna see some more pictures of them nice fish. Nothing wrong with them fish there you got.
I can't believe that we have cry babies here that gotta go and turn every thing up side down.

So you are calling this fish a spawner huh?
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/102820339.jpg
What about this one?
http://www.ifish.net/uploads/023600341.jpg

And I believe that one was bonked in the Columbia River?
Nothing wrong with any of them fish!

Nanook

12-09-2002, 06:47 PM

This "pile on" is starting to make me puke.

My first thoughts were to email us and perhaps we have some "truth's of the matter(s)" to share, then again, nevermind. It will be more fun to just let this all play out overtime.

Just curious though UG, how come you did in fact edit your Hood River post "exact location" when someone called you on fishing "closed waters since the 90's?" Don't know if that's true or not.

If so, that would have indeed been classified as "poaching" not an accidental "violation," yes?

Nice filets and pictures overall though. Keep them pictures and report posts coming, and go get em' as you say. It appears you have the quite the interesting (http://www.ifish.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=017979) group here rooting you on.

:sleep:

http://jeeptalk.org/crack/smilies/otn/other/pukeface.gif

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crabbait

12-09-2002, 08:39 PM

This thread is obviously not big enough for all the egos.

Enough.

5-Cents

12-09-2002, 11:31 PM

UG,

Well said man! :cool: Am I missing something about steelhead? Those summer fish may have some color but let's not forget they live after spawning.

UG is right their meat does not rot like a salmon. I have kept some rosy-cheeked steelhead before that have cut nice and pink. Mmmmm nothing like a nice blackened steelehad filet with red beans and rice for dinner!

If you have something personal against someone keep it personal by emailing. Negative posts just make you look like you have been snacking on sour grapes graemlins/icon_argue.gif

Thanks for the reports and pics UG... Keep them coming! :grin: At least you post reports and Seeesh you even tell people the general area you are catching fish. More than most do any more if you catch my drift :wink:

:cheers:

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Steelie Steve

12-09-2002, 11:38 PM

5-cents,
That is a good question. I've been wondering that also. I know that the meat of a salmon definitely deteriorates with time in fresh water. Is this true of steelhead? I haven't caught that many so don't really know the answer. I've kept two summers in the last couple of weeks. One that had the pink sides like most of the ones UG has posted pics of and one that was more red. They both had nice red meat and tasted great.

Anyone have opinions? (oh yeah. Never short on opinions on ifish..... :wink: )

Nice fish UG. Like the photos. Keep 'em comming.

Steve :cheers:

FishinMission

12-09-2002, 11:54 PM

I must have missed it somewhere...but I sure can't find where I'm quoted as saying I'm targeting summer fish.

I can see where I may have mentioned one may get caught. And if it were to be caught, it certainly wouldn't end up as a pic here on Ifish to build my ego.

FYI....If I'm fishing for steelies this time of year..it's WINTER fish.

If you all wanna post pics of your prize darkies...go right ahead.

In the event I hook a dark fish, I simply choose to handle them carefully, and let them go....I guess... for you guys to bonk.

Like the saying goes...."One man's garbage is another man's treasure."

Mark