Two poles

[marko]

I first saw this idea in Bill Monroe's column. The idea is to allow people two poles if they pay and additional fee, say $20. The catch and posession limits would still be the same, i.e., per person limits, not per pole limits.
I like the idea because when I am fishing alone in my boat I can try two different depths and lures.
I suggest we all write to our representatives to suggest the change be made. I spoke with my newly elected senator (Kurt Schrader) and he likes the idea. I presented it to him as an additional source of revenue for ODFW, which clicked with him.
If we all write to our senators and representatives maybe we can get something to happen. graemlins/applause.gif

[Hogmaster]

Sounds like a sucker play to me.

I have fished alone for salmon and steelhead many times quite successfully.

I can tell you it is bad enough trying to extend the net handle by oneself if that step is forgotten before hooking one.

How is it going to work that you are getting hammered on one rod when you are by yourself with two rods out?

A boat, two lines, a hot fish and a net. Hmmm.... Can we cite the famous line of a certain Clint Eastwood soldier movie? The one about "clusters"?

This might work for a lone bankie and might work well with multiple parties in a boat, but by yourself you are asking for trouble in my view...

Good luck trying though if they pass it!

:cheers:

[ 11-08-2002, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: Hogmaster ]

[Keta]

I would do it for kokanee trolling

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by Hogmaster:
I can tell you it is bad enough trying to extend the net handle by oneself if that step is forgotten before hooking one. :cheers: <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">It'd be a heck of a lot easier if your net didn't look like that.

Two rods per person in the boat (NOT bank) until you're down to your last fish on your limit, then only one. Extra funding goes to hatcheries, period.

[dogfishboy]

This came up once before when Bill's column first came out. I had to rethink my position. Still not sure where I come down on this.

Here was that discussion.
Extra rod permit could help fund hatcheries (http://www.ifish.net/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=012707)

[ampersat]

sounds like an enforcement nightmare waiting to happen. i'm all for it though.

[Mojo]

The state of Idaho started selling a second rod permit a few years ago. The caveat is that you cannot use 2 rods for salmon or steelhead. I purchase one every year.

When sturgeon fishing, I'll cast out the sturgeon rig and then cast for bass. I use 2 rods for sturgeon but only if you have several people in the boat.

Trolling for trout or kokanee, or drifting for crappie 2 rods are fine.

[Stz ll]

What I would like about it is when shad fishing in the Willamette during the spring I could still keep a rod in the water for salmon!!

[skein]

I don't know where I stand on this - there always seem to be hidden "gotcha's" when we tweak the rules. I've wished I could do that many times though, when the shad are running and I'm fishing for crab and sturgeon bait, all the while knowing that big springers are passing under the boat. I'll bet it would be worth $20 just to witness some of the tangles that would result! And of course, what happens when both rods go off.... graemlins/1zhelp.gif

This is a good thread, though. Thanks, Marko, for bringing it up.

Skein

[Captn]

That is one of the better ideas I have heard. It is a total win/win situation for all concerned. If you don't want to "tax" yourself with the cost of the extra pole you don't have to. Extra income for the state and everyone is happy. Good thinkin Marko!! (or Bill Monroe or whoever)

[cully]

I have my hands full with my one rod. As far as the money goes, I have my hands full paying for my one lincense, my sons,my daughters and my wifes. More, bigger and better, i will opt out on this one.

[Bobber Down]

I'm for it, and all the state would have to do is give you a bright colored patch or something to be seen visually. You know like you have to display your Wash. clam tag. As long as the money goes to the hatcherys that are in danger, I'm for it. That way you can fish say a morning tide more productive before the wind comes up and you can get off the river safely................Bobber Down

[GutshotApe]

I have trolled for salmon using two rods in British Columbia where it is legal and requires no extra license or fee. Never had two fish on at once but I don't see that as a real problem - might be really entertaining for bystanders. If a lot of people fished 2 rigs and if the average catch rate went up, it could force ODFW to reevaluate baglimits & seasons on some fisheries i.e. Nehalem, Tillamook, or other high-pressure areas. But overall, I wouldn't object to trying it. graemlins/idea.gif

[RichH]

Could you imagine doing 2 rods apiece at bouy 10 when the coho are in thick? Major cluster-----.

However, if all the money went to odfw funding and not just general fund, I'd be all for it. As was said earlier, just the laugh factor would be worth the $20. :grin:

[Propwash]

I know for a fact that you can pay the extra pole fee in Cal.and use two rods if you so desire. This does not increase your daily limit. Also in B.C. you can use more than one rod,again,it does not increase your limit. I am not sure about Idaho at this time.Two rods could boost some revenues for the ODF. They always seem to want more money and this seems to be a way to get some with out seriously impacting fish populations.

[Keta]

I had to fish four rods once when the other three friends that I went with stayed in a bar until 04:30 when I had to drag them out :mad: . I was into coho heavy and kept yelling at them to get up :mad: . The most I had on at once was 3 and I left the rods in the rod holders and the kicker in gear. After catching and cleaning 24 coho by myself the "crew" came out of the cabin and we went halibut fishing.

I don't think that two rods would be too much to handle on salmon but I probably would still only use two for kokanee.

[AnglersRental]

Try runnin 3 rods and 2 handlines by yourself for Tuna... No problemo! graemlins/1zhelp.gif

Im all for that.

1) Don't exclude bank guys (plunkers).

2) Only one pole allowed when one fish has been retained.

3) Must have hatchery harvest card.

UG

[PapaHog]

I would pay for the extra pole if it did not exclude annyone and the money went for hatcheries and I would hope that it did not free up already allocated fish money to the general fund.

However I still have to think about some of the messes it would cause at the popular fishing spots like PC and the Salmon river.

Maybe limited to targeting two different type fish with two different fishing methods such as sturgeon and shad, salmon and shad ect. I dont know how that would work but if it resulted in more money for the hatchery and habitat programs then I am for two pole charge.

[fish_on]

For all the situations that would be a cluster; it would not be mandatory to have to rods just an option. Those situations where 2 rods are too much those who still insist on having that many rods in the water would actually be helping the rest by always being tangled and not fishing. The problems and clusters would work themselves out. My only concern are the charter boats, 20 people 40 rods = lots of native fish mishandled. Other than that I am all for it.

[Big Dave]

Marko I like your idea ! That is the way it is in BC. Canada as long as every one in the boat has a licence. Otherwise you can only use one pole.
Here is a example My friend and I were trolling for Sockeye in the Queen Charolete Sound. Two of us in the boat and we each have a valid Canada licence. We get the bright idea of putting six poles out the back of his 19' fish rite and have them all working at different depths. Next thing we know KA-POW all six poles are going off ! Talk about two clowns and their circus poodle ! Well that was us ! I was laughing so had I wet myself !!!
If I remember right I think we managed to get one of the fish in the boat and them we spent the rest of the afternoon untangling the biggest mess I have ever seen !
I stick with one pole now. Hehe...........Big Dave.

[TillamookChinook]

Two rods, huh. I like to fly fish. That would really be something to try to flyfish with two rods at a time. Maybe one rod with a sinking line and the other floating. Maybe one rod with a big hook and loud streamer to cast up and down the bank to create some elbow room while the other rod is cast to the river for the fish.

[Flatfish]

Heck yeah I'd pay.Think of the "wall of death" you could make when pulling plugs!
Hogmaster,you wouldn't have to fish alone if ya just bought a new net.While I understand the attatchment to an old net,your "Sportsmans Model" is probably holding back several potential fishing partners.That,and you wont install a dancefloor for dogs.Ya know a little Pergo and a disco ball aint that much work.
Amp,yeah it may be a pain to enforce,but how many days do you fish for every encounter with the law?Ever see anybody run a cheater rod for their dog?I don't, but I have seen it.Besides that there aint enough cops to keep the criminals on the straight and narrow as it is.At least we could fish for brats.....if our newly elected can find a way to fund them.
Mark and the tired duck monger dog.

[bllelk]

Mojo mentioned Idaho's rules. The other good idea they had, which is the last one since they asked me to leave, is to allow residents to buy one left over non-resident elk tag at non- res prices. graemlins/idea.gif graemlins/idea.gif graemlins/idea.gif

[Matt H.]

I am somewhat up in the air about fishing 2 rods.

One one hand, I myself would love to be able to have a 2 rod permit. I would really appreciate the oppurtunity to be able to target 2 spieces at once. I would throw a spinner or drift some eggs for salmon and steelhead on one rod, and have my second rod on the bottom with some stink bait for sturgeon.

However, on the other hand, I can see how some folks might abuse this by taking up twice as much space in areas that have limited accessibility.

Also, I see a lot of oppurtunity in this for new ideas to come out. I imagine soon enough (if the 2 rod permit came to pass), that we would see a lot of new and interesting 2 rod tech come out into the fishing community.

A lot of folks dont catch many fish at all. Having 2 rods increases their chances of enjoying fishing more. But again, with any new idea, there will always be folks who find a way to abuse it.

[riverrat]

beware of the slippery slope when it comes to increasing rods limits etc, the problem comes in the form of injured native fish.....the 2 rod system should be limited to lakes only.....

[garyk]

Really can't go for it - especially for salmon.

In the popular bank holes, it would be like doubling the number of people fishing. Folks always complain it's too crowded now - just wait 'till you double the number of rods.

Half the rods would be stuck in rod holders, plunking the pools' midsection and tailout, the head of the pool would be elbow to elbow casters - sounds ugly to me.

[bigfishon]

Originally posted by The Fishing Geek:
[QUOTE]
Two rods per person in the boat (NOT bank) until you're down to your last fish on your limit, then only one. Extra funding goes to hatcheries, period.<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">If your allow it in a boat you have to allow it from the bank. One is no better than the other.

[1pump]

If they legalize two poles they should just do it without the fee, tag, or whatever. Like ampersat said, enforcement nightmare. Checking a boat or two in an uncrowded area might not be a big deal for the OSP, but checking a flotilla somewhere like the Ghost Hole, Buoy 10 or Memaloose would be a cluster---- and would take up a lot of man-hours that would be better spent elsewhere.
If no tag was required, they wouldn't have to stop every time they see a boat or bankie with double poles.

[Pitch Pocket]

When I fish kokanee with my daughter, it's like I'm fishing 2 rods because she sits in the cabin and reads, or she sleeps. It is a one armed paper hanger routine but it's do-able and fun. I would use it when salmon fishing is slow and when sturgeon fishing, probably until I either found the fish or the correct depth and/or lure.

I don't think I'd fish more than 3 or 4 rods from my boat anyway. I can't imagine keeping all the lines in the water if I had 8 rods out for 4 guys. The tangles and loss of gear would be horrendous. Fishing is supposed to be relaxing anyway. But if it were just me or maybe one other experienced fisherman or fisherwoman, I'd fish two rods per person in a heartbeat. I could reduce my on-water time and increase my at-home-with-the-kids time by experimenting with different techiques or baits.

Where do I sign?
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[Bobber Down]

Not to open a can of worms here, but if you can handle the extra rod whats the problem. Like I said in my previous post, as long as the money goes to the hatcherys that are in danger. Not to compare us sports fishers to commercials, but look how many lines they have in the water. So an extra rod per person doesn't seen to extreme to me. Maybe if they have some rules to go by like a cap on how many rods per boat, and them rules are for every body. For example every boat that floats no more than ten rods ( that would take care of the charter fleet that have 16 plus rods out ). Then it would be more fair for all the boaters to have the same amount of bait under their boat. I know this will probally never happen (it is a little warped) but think about it.................Bobber Down

[Keta]

BD,
Unless you have outrigers or a 10' wide boat it is hard to fish more than 5 (4 is better) rods.
I think that gear tangles will be the controling factor on how many rods will (can) be used.
If I am fishing with 1 person we each would use two rods, three people and we might use 5 rods but probably still only 4. With 4 in the boat it is hard enough just moving around and we would only have 4 rods out.
Kokanee respond to volume of gear in the water so the more you have out the better. You can also mix your gear until you work out what they want to hit.

[Biteme]

good source of additional revenue --- maybe not with the enforcement costs. maybe bait fishing for trout on lakes or something like that would be ok. for salmon and steelhead and sturgeon definitely not. It would be a major mess.

[Pitch Pocket]

I wouldn't care if the money went into the general coffers. I wouldn't restrict my support for 2 rods only to add restrictions that might make it a no go. I'd promote it because it is one step closer to less restrictions on how you get your limit.

[OldRedSled]

There is no way Period the money raised would go only to hatcheries. There is no segmenting in the budget it all goes into the General fund and The House revenue committee and Ways and Means like it that way.
Without a fundamental shift in posture thats not going to change.
SO if you want a second rod just remember OLCC has a better chance getting that money that ODFW.