whats the importance of milking eggs

[sliverslinger]

:whazzup: What is it with your eggs milking out? Ive been fishing for years and I catch a truck load of fish with my egg cure. My eggs do NOT milk, but they are big and bright. The pogeys do not play with them as much as I have seen them play with others eggs.

[ 10-30-2002, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: sliverslinger2001 ]

[sliverslinger]

[ 10-30-2002, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: sliverslinger2001 ]

[fishing is life]

hi silverslinger, i like your confidence in your eggs. i read in sts that Dave Johnson said the milk trail helps the fish find your eggs. maybe your eggs are milking the trail just is not white and not visible. care to share your cure with us people learning more about cures? i hope scott challenges you and you guys can post the results. good luck!

[sliverslinger]

:cheers: Yeah I will share the cure with the people here on ifish.
go to the guide shop and buy their sodium sulfite with dye. If you get it off the internet it is 5.00 per pkg. they have pink , red, and orange and a few other colors so you have to specify to what colors you want. I suggest that you mix the red and the pink.
what you want is :
how much sodium there is in cups divide that by 2/3 suger and add 1/3 salt:
example: 6 cups sodium
4 cups sugar
2 cups salt
mix up completely but do not breathe this or you will be blowing pink for a few days. :wink:
I am pretty sure that their are directions on the pkg but if not e-mail me and I will tell you how to do it their way.
tight lines :cheers:

[ 10-30-2002, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: sliverslinger2001 ]

[sliverslinger]

[ 10-29-2002, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: sliverslinger2001 ]

[Miss B Haven]

Silverslinger vs Amerman - Sounds like the World Heavy Weight (HOG) Championship http://www.ifish.net/uploads/142316300.gif , or maybe the World Fish Series, or maybe the Fish Bowl (HeeHee)! How about the Champion of Champions fish off (oops fish off has bad conotations doesn't it!) :shocked:
Oh - I don't know for a fact but I am pretty sure the only loser in this event would be the FISH! :grin: :cheers:

[ 10-29-2002, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Miss B Haven ]

[onstep]

I don't get it you are using a sulfite chem. based cure and your eggs don't milk? Do allow your eggs to reabsorb once they juice out? I use a very similiar cure as one of my three go to's I have and they milk very well. Now you may be allowing the eggs to dry for days and the eggs would become very hard. I would have a to agree with you on Ammermans eggs the secert isn't the quality with those guys it's the quanity. They change baits EVERY cast and no use of small baits big goobs all around. Their success I believe lies in the years of expierance they have in tidewater. Just my two cents......

[sliverslinger]

I do not let my eggs absorb the juices. I leave them in the cure between 4 to 5 hours and then put them out on a bath towel to dry. When one side gets tacky I turn them over and let the other side dry. If they leave any goo on my hands I let them dry some more.
This usually only takes about 12 hours to complete. I freeze my baits separately( on a cookie sheet covered with wax paper) then package them.
Thats just the way I do it:
:cheers:
tight lines

[TheTexan]

Do you freeze cured eggs by vacuum packing or canning? If canning how do you get air out?

[Fishing freak]

Ex Tex,

I have been told that vacuum packing eggs will damage them ( never tried it). I like to stand a wooden match upright in the egg jar ( canning jars work best) and light it with another match. You can hear the lid 'ping" on the canning jar if you get a tight seal and all the air has been burned up.

[dogfishboy]

Skein, I know what ya mean. Piri often walks in the room with a strange look on her face wondering just what the hell is so funny.

I've had eggs that I accidentally let dry too long and there was no visible milking going on and they still produced fish. Always wondered what's up with that.

[The Fishing Geek]

Originally posted by sliverslinger2001:
:cheers: Yeah I will share the cure with the people here on ifish.
go to the guide shop and buy their sodium sulfite with dye. If you get it off the internet it is 5.00 per pkg. they have pink , red, and orange and a few other colors so you have to specify to what colors you want. I suggest that you mix the red and the pink.
what you want is :
how much sodium there is in cups divide that by 2/3 suger and add 1/3 salt:
example: 6 cups sodium
3 cups sugar
2 cups salt
mix up completely but do not breathe this or you will be blowing pink for a few days. :wink:
I am pretty sure that their are directions on the pkg but if not e-mail me and I will tell you how to do it their way.
tight lines :cheers: <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Ya's gotcherself sum of that fuzzy math there slinger. Two-thirds of 6 would be 4. :wink:

[AnglersRental]

I like the eggs I put up for salmon to milk, but I like the steelhead eggs to not milk, dont know why, just seems to work better for me. But I also cure the steelhead eggs (for drifting) a little bit tougher (with borax) and the salmon eggs (bobber) a little bit goopier (sulfite).

Is goopier a word?

UG

[Kinebra]

silverslinger2001...is your name Mike? If so you were always a little over zealous about your eggs...

[Amerman]

Sliverslinger?????

The only one on here saying my eggs are the best is You. Why do you feel you need to put your eggs up against mine? Because you feel mine are the best out there and you want a shot at the title. Why don't you compare your eggs to the guide shop eggs or guide choice. they both sell volumes more than me? Is it because everyone thinks theirs are crap?

Dude, you sound like a disgrunteled guide shop employee mad because I won a couple hatcheries against you guys. I don't know you from Adam yet you know who I am. People are talking about me giving this guy a shot at the Fishing bowl or the best eggs championship thing. Does that mean if I say I am the best golfer in the world, Tiger woods should give me a shot to play him? No, I am not comparing myself to Tiger--just making a point. Why don't you fish against any of the guys on this site first. Man there are tons of guys that rock at egg fishing on this site. I would put any of them up against you before I would waste my time. I have fished with Fishbait , Kindbra, Ohmykiss and Lund just to name a few (there are tons). Any of these guys and any day against you, I'm betting thier side.

Why do you need it to rain to catch fish? Maybe you would realize why you want an egg that milks if you were out fishing now and not waiting for a rain. Anyone can catch fish when the river is up. A true test of bait is to fish in tidewater. The milk trail that comes out of eggs is scent. A fish's scents of smell is by far its best sense. Many believe that a fish can smell the different mineral contents in river water to know which river is home. In slow moving water you can attract more fish to your bait if there is more smell. This means you can cover more water around your bait in slow moving water if it milks well and hopefully catch more fish. Scent dispersion is used as an attractent rather than just sight. Just my .02.

I have no clue who you are. You have like 40 posts on Ifish and feel the need to brag yourself up as having the best eggs. I am glad you feel you have a bait that works well for you, and I think it's great that you are willing to share this with the people of Ifish. But why do you ( someone I don't know and don't believe I have ever done anything too) feel the need to rip me and my eggs? I think that in itself is when you know you have made it--when you are the one others measure themself against. If you have the best eggs out there or just don't like mine, then don't buy them.

[ 10-29-2002, 08:31 PM: Message edited by: Amerman ]

[Miss B Haven]

Ding!.......Round one to Amerman! http://www.ifish.net/uploads/142316300.gif :grin: :wink:

PS - I don't know either of you, but I think this thread is a HOOT! :grin:

[ 10-29-2002, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Miss B Haven ]

[Lund]

good points Scott, I'd like to see this guy in one of our boats for a day of bobber school. He'd be beggin to get out quick.

Good eggs are only part of the reason people catch lots of fish. I could use a crappy egg and catch fish. Where, when, & how is lot more important than good bait. Iv'e even caught fish with guides choice eggs.

[Big TULE]

I would gladly take a day in one of your boats for a bobber school, need some teaching as i have never done it before but would love to try it...

[Flatfish]

" And in this corner,weighing in at 6 cups sulfite....
Hey Hogmaster,this sounds like your soap opera "As the impeller turns"...except it is funnier.Must be the real time thing or something.Maybe we all can call this thread "As the stomach turns".
My dad can beat up your dad.
Mark and the ROFLAO dog.

[steelheadslayer]

Silverslinger, when I first read this post I thought you were pretty pretentious, and then I saw your other posts and knew it. I have to go with Scott Amerman on his post, why does it matter whose eggs are better? If you cure eggs and catch fish, aren't they the better eggs than the ones some guy has 200 miles away that you don't have access to. I'm sure you're going to hear a lot more on this one. I don't know you or Scott and don't have an opinion either way on who cures their eggs better. I would suggest just toning down your comments and boasts just a bit. :cheers: graemlins/applause.gif

[PapaHog]

I catch lots of tidewater fish with bobber and eggs and I like the eggs to milk. Every little bit helps is how I feel about it.

[Jettin' Fool]

http://www.ifish.net/uploads/091920301.gif

Fool :cool:

[graybeard]

So is sllinger going to answer the bell for round 2? Or was this a 1st round knock-out? :cheers:

[AnglersRental]

And Scott says:

"A fish's scents of smell is by far its best scent."

Huh? Way over my head...

UG

[Salmonator]

Sounds like Scott's put in a few long days.. :wink:

[skrimmy]

And it ends in a first round knockout. The winner is Scott!

[Kinebra]

I stayed-up for it to end like this??? I should have gone to bed an hour ago... 3:30 comes awfully early! :sleep:

[willametteriveroutlaw]

I didn't know that Ifish sponsored ******* contests. Don't know either of you guys from adam but this is funny as ****. So silverslinger do you want amerman to meet you behind the gym or over by the teatherball courts.
Fishing must really be slow.

[sliverslinger]

Well Gentlemen: I just got home from work :smile: and I just read your posts :hoboy: I did not want to start any type of fights on here I was just listing my way of curing eggs and compared them to Amerman eggs and you guys took it all out of proportion :whazzup: I did get a little out of hand on him buying the hatcheries up :shocked: I should have watched my wording better. I am not a digruntled employee from the guide shop, if they wanted me too, I would go back to work for them in a flash! I was taught by them to cure eggs and that is all I am saying. I did not say that it had to be Scott that I had to fish against it could be anyone that uses his bait. My name is Daniel for whoever is concerned.
The way you are all talking no-one can have a friendly fishing trip with a little wager. My buddies and I do it all the time, we usually wager the meat or the eggs. :smile:
Now Scott did I say that your eggs are bad? :whazzup: No I did not! Your eggs do catch alot of fish, I give you that, you do have a good cure. All I am saying is that there are other cures out there that work just as good.
I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers.
Hey guys I would love to be in one or more of you boats, Yeah I might learn something but I may also teach you something also. :cheers:
Well Scott, I hope that you dont take this too seriously, we are all here for the same purpose, to gain information, and share lifes secrets, to he** with them if they cant take a joke :tongue:

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[skein]

Miss B

The Fish Bowl ??? Ohmygod! Toni, take his keyboard away from him!

(I gotta quit laughing when I'm sitting at my computer. They're starting to look at me funny.)

Skein

[fishnxtc]

what makes eggs milk? I have the best looking eggs but they do not milk for s**t. I use sure cure, could this be the problem. Maybe I need to switch cures. Help is needed...Thank you..

[k9jeff]

I found frozen, cured Amermans Eggs at the Sportsmans Warehouse in Salem. They looked almost as good as the amermans in my freezer.

Gotta love this place........ :wink:

Jeff

[crabbait]

I have fished eggs for years but I have learned more about eggs and egg cures this year than I ever knew before. Fer instance:

1. Salmon and steelhead like different egg cures.

2. Salmon in different systems may prefer eggs cured slightly differently.

3. Salmon in tidewater have diffferent "needs" as far as minerals, etc., than salmon further upstream on the same river.

4. Salmon in the same hole may change their desired cure or scent additive from one day to the next or from one hour to the next.

5. Scent and scent dispersion is probably more important than color, depending on the depth of water and amount of flow.

6. Eggs that have the perfect consistency for tidewater bobber fishing are not the best consistency for backbouncing and drift fishing.

Comparing one cure to another is pointless. Instead, each cure should be considered as a starting point and changes should be made depending on the application in order to produce the best results.

Scott's results speak for themselves and he does not need to "prove" anything to anyone. Of couse, he is using those eggs for a specific application that they are "tuned" for. Any cure, including Scott's, can be improved with added ingredients on a given day.

Think your eggs catch more fish? Go fish 'em! Anyone who thinks they have "the ultimate egg cure" is deluding themselves. Instead, keep an open mind and several cures and scents with you so that you can try a little something different to turn on the bite! :wink:

[fishing is life]

and clearer heads prevail. well said crabbait.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Well said Crabbait!!!

I believe an egg cure can be so called "milking out" without us seeing the typical white milk stream from a boraxed type egg. The scent does not need to be visual to us for the fish to smell it. In several drift fishing situations the egg is moving almost as fast as the current, and the bite becomes more of a sight thing. For bobber fishing the scent thing is far more important as the bait moves very slowly thru a location.

There are those of us that buy an off the shelf cure and hope it does it all for us, :hoboy:

there are a few of us, who dont fish eggs, :hoboy: :hoboy:

And a few of us who like to play chemist and make our own cures. I packaged up a gallon of eggs last night and placed them in the freezer. I am very happy with my latest revision of an egg cure. I have had good success on some very slow days in tidewater. I contribute my success to better bait than the guys around me. Though there is a lot more to egg fishing than the bait. Anybody can park a boat in the river and toss an egg. Some will even catch a fish or two with crappy or moderately good eggs. Putting fish in the boat most every day is a different story. Scott has shown several people that he can do it, others... well,.., we will just have to take them at their word that they know what they are doing :wink:

Nice response Scott!! :smile:

I was down throwing spinners for blue gill last week, do you think Jed Davis will give me a shot at the title? :wink: :tongue: Maybe we could bet the crank off our spinning reels. :wink:

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[Nanook]

I think bait or hardware, if you get it in front of their face and they want to take it, they will.

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[fishbait]

BOE, I've seen your eggs, ugly looking things, but I have also seen them catch fish.....

Scott, I'm just glad you and your eggs are on a different river than me most of the time, makes it easier for me to catch a fish now and then.... although I do enjoy your company when I do see you.

******, man they pounded um in your hole these last few days...... I even got a few there..... Did you get in on it ?

Silverslinger, I also have a "no milker" cure that I use in pogie infested water and when I want a different non-sulfite egg. Your rompin in the tall grass with some big dogs when you talk egg cures and bobber fishing in TW on this board, my adivce is to walk somewhat more softly. :cheers:

[Danderson]

You mean those eggs that Ive been throwing away for years catch fish if you cure them... ?

Lol graemlins/icon_argue.gif

[sliverslinger]

Yeah, though I walk in the valley of Ifish
I will fear no fisherman,
for I have a great cure to catch salmon with. :grin:
good luck to everyone :cheers:

For everyones information I am not a flatlander. I do know how to fish with the best of them. I do not corky snag or do any of that stuff.
Bobber down, Face lift graemlins/applause.gif

[J-ice]

[ 10-30-2002, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[Bait O' Eggs]

Marty just between you and me the latest additive I have been using on my eggs is, Spanish Fly. :wink: It really seems to turn 'em on. :shocked: :shocked: :tongue:

I think it falls under the pheromone catagory of additives. :tongue:

[Amerman]

Sliverslinger

I am not mad or angry with you. You just made some comments that needed to be responded to by me. When my phone rings and my email fills with people saying did you see the guy ( most people used more colorful langue) that called you out on Ifish I have to go see what they are talking about. When I see these comments are coming from someone who is claiming to be the best, yet in all my travels, days on the river and in all my circles no one has every heard of them, I need to respond. The thing about selling lots of cure, eggs and fishing for a living is that I meet lots of people. I have met tons that think they are God's gift to fishing and the best of the best. I have also gotten to know a lot of people that really are great.

I know guys that have had more 20 + chinook days this fall than they can count on with both hands. I was in the boat with guys this fall where we had back to back to back days hooking 40 - 60 chinooks each day in tidewater with bobbers. These guys eat, sleep and live egg fishing; that's why they are that good. I know there are lots of these guys on this site because I have seen them on the river catching these kind of numbers. I know that me, my dad and Grant Scheele ( the three Amerman salmon egg guides) have boated 500 or more fall chinook in the last two months, all on bobbers and eggs. These are the guys that you are saying "I am better than you" to. This is why I had to respond; not because I was mad, but because you made me laugh.

[smilesforu]

Be verry verrrry quiet were hunting salmon....

Ok we established the egg gods, now lets hear the additives :grin: :shocked: :grin:

[smilesforu]

Classic roy.. .. you smuggle those in? I got some pheromone stuff that will curl your nose hairs.. graemlins/eek13.gif Kind of hard to sneak it on a bait even with the wind blowing the other direction. :cheers:

[graybeard]

Scott,

One of the great features of this bulletin board is that you can click on another persons profile and view the threads in which they have posted. We all leave a trail behind us. From this can be determined that some of the posters here are extremely intelligent and thoughtful and some are just plain flakey and not to be taken seriously.

If you check out your challenger, you will find that he only fishes upriver... with bobbers..... and is looking for a wood boat under $500.... and many other posters tend to doubt some of his outlandish statements.

Dam I love this website. :grin:

[bllelk]

Let's see now. I'm on the Nehalem, below the barn hole but above the N. Fork, the water is more of a sage green than a bayleaf, the water is 12' to 15' and we're 300 yds from the N. Fork with an up river wind at about 10 kts. Overcast sky and it's just o'dark thirty with an incoming tide of 3 kts.
Looking for Chinook.
That would be cure #?
I think slowpie is going to miss her freezer and I need a bigger tackle box.

[Bait O' Eggs]

Scott
I was reading your thoughts and comments on egg curing this week in Scott Haugens egg cure book. I found it very interesting, and had never thought of a fish (comparison wise) as going thru physiological changes much like a pregnant woman. The midnight runs to the pickle or ice cream store can only be appreciated by a father who had to do the running. :wink: A fish that is about to essentially give birth would have the same urges for certain taste. :smile: And of course these urges come and go like the wind, which is kind of the way the bite turns on and off.

I think I have several ideas for new additives to my eggs. I am working on a Dill... rocky road additive. :wink:

Actually it was a well written piece, making me look at my cures in a different way.