View Full Version : Siletz Coho?
Grant Scheele
10-28-2002, 06:46 PM
Check out this website picture from Coyote Rock on the Siletz River.
Can you keep Silvers on the Siletz? (http://www.coyote-rock.com/images/images2/images3/Patrick%20Martin%2010-22-02%2033%20&%2016lbs.jpg)
ChrisN
10-28-2002, 07:05 PM
Doesn't say you can or can't in the regs. Just talks about steelies open year round and the normal fall chinook dates.
Doesn't that fish look like it has an extra fin though, or is it an illusion from the cart ??
Chris :cool:
Salmonator
10-28-2002, 07:48 PM
If it doesn't say it's open for Coho in the regs then it's NOT open for Coho. That sure is a suspicious looking fish though...
J-ice
10-28-2002, 08:27 PM
That is very disappointing to see such uneducated fishermen out there.
peace
J-ice
Dr Strangelove
10-28-2002, 08:45 PM
I saved and enlarged the picture and while the jeans leg is blending in with the adipose area, I believe I see a color change where a adipose fin exists. Not only a poacher, also not too bright; name, date, face, and evidence.
He may just be unaware of any coho in the river. Ignorance is not a crime. If he was trying to get away with something don't you think that whole picture thing would have been avoided. He may be a pocher, but let him know what he's done, and i'll bet he'd think twice the next time.
Seems like everyone out here is trying to hang someone, when fishing is supposed to be fun. If we all spent as much time worring about how to catch fish instead of how well other people are doing, You might have a little more action. Don't be a follower, start your own bite.
That guy probably though he had a great day. He is doing less harm to the run than all the seals feasting on those fish in the Siletz.
screw-up once, "shame on you"
screw-up twice. "shame on me"
STGRule
10-29-2002, 10:10 AM
Lund: Actually ignorance IS a crime when it comes to game violations. It is your responsibility to know the regulations for the area you are fishing.
foxer
10-29-2002, 10:11 AM
There is enough info for OSP to track this guy down if they were so inclined...
Ya, he should be given a ticket. Judge Huckleberry wil probably just slap his hand for that endangered coho. Maybe He'll get lucky and draw Branford, He'll for sure scold him.
Ya right! You can bet if he gets a ticket for this that he'll be without his license for a year or two.
I forget all you guys out here are lilly white. Probably Cathlic Priests too. Give the guy a break, he obviosly didn't know what he had or he wouldn't have taken the photo! He's so proud of his catch, and all you guys can think of how he caught an illegal coho. Not to mention it was so dark that it probably wouldn't have made it up river to spawn anyway. It's probably been eaten and enjoyed by his family by now.
Tanner
10-29-2002, 10:21 AM
There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of ignorance. It is every sportsman's responsibility to know the laws for the area and species they are hunting/fishing.
I can guarantee you that any game officer would agree with me.
If you do not know the regulations for a particular area, season etc. You should not be fishing it. PERIOD.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:
[ 10-29-2002, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Tanner ]
The guy made a judgment error, He didn't kill a human.
Tanner, you've never at anytime done something wrong. You might have though it was right till someone told you. Everyone who has fished has made a little mistake at one time or another.
If you insist that you've never made a mistake when you were fishing then you are just another fisherman that lies.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ignorance of a species' identifying traits is definately no excuse. If someone is the boat told him thaty was a keeper, he should aslo be taken to task. It's not a question of whether we have all done / not done anything wrong at some point in our lives, it's a question of the definition of a game law violation. We all have access to the laws, and they should be enforced to accomplish the task they were written to accomplish.
Tanner
10-29-2002, 03:12 PM
The thing that gets me about the pic is the Coyote Rock Marina posted it on their website.
You would think a place like that would hold a higher standard.
Hey Lund,
I never said I have never made any mistakes, however, The state puts out an annual publication called a Fishing Regulations Synopsis. I generally like to read up in my synopsis about a new area that I am going to be fishing hence reducing my chances of making such a stupid mistake.
You stated: That guy probably though he had a great day. He is doing less harm to the run than all the seals feasting on those fish in the Siletz. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">The problem I have with that is it is not illegal for the seals to feast on the fish. It is ILLEGAL for a person to keep a native coho. PERIOD
Why are you working so hard to defend this guy? Is it possibly getting too close to home?
Flying Roast Beef
10-29-2002, 03:18 PM
I don't see a fin.
parker
10-29-2002, 03:29 PM
Not that I care, but why don't one of you fire off an email to Coyote Rock and ask them?
Oh, I see. It's way more fun to just biatch at people and posts on ifish then to actually do something about it yourself.
foxer
10-29-2002, 03:54 PM
"I'm sorry mr game officer, I was just having a good time and enjoying myself" Aw shucks, son I guess I won't write you this nice ticket. Yeah, like that would ever happen. If there was a cop there and caught the guy and cited him, hey great, thats the way its supposed to work. Since there wasnt a cop there, he got away with a wild, federally protected coho....Karma baby
Salmonator
10-29-2002, 05:19 PM
Hey Parker, two different people asked them to respond to the previous Coyote Rock thread. They didn't answer to that so why would they answer to this? Oh I see, maybe it's more fun to spout off to Ifish than to know the whole story in the first place :tongue:
Uncle Roman
10-29-2002, 05:31 PM
Here's the low-down: Coyote Rock blew it, that guy blew it, and that fish probably isn't 16 lbs. Both parties involved SHOULD know the law, and the whole thing seems a little indefensible. graemlins/stupid.gif
timinthegorge
10-29-2002, 05:37 PM
I'd love to respond to "lund" but that would put my message outside the bounds of Ifish rules. :mad:
Tight lines all...... graemlins/applause.gif
Ramstrong
10-29-2002, 11:14 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how people jump to conclusions on this and other boards. Just because the picture is from Coyote Rock, does that make those siletz fish? Could the fish have come from the Salmon where it's legal to keep silvers?
Could this be a game violation? Yes. Do we know that for sure? No! How about we give the guy a freekin break, he's not even here to defend himself.
[ 10-29-2002, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: Ramstrong ]
Salmonator
10-29-2002, 11:25 PM
Ryan, I don't know if you missed the Coyote Rock thread from awhile back but If he didn't launch at CR, I don't think they'd be posting his picture :wink:
Paddlefish
10-29-2002, 11:28 PM
Salmonator:
Based on that earlier exchange of views regarding CR, maybe a picture of a "borrowed" fish is the only chance they get. :grin:
(Heck, maye it's been frozen since the 60s too) :shocked:
V. Green
10-29-2002, 11:40 PM
I saved and blew this picture up. It looks to be a wild coho. There is no where in Oregon that you can keep a wild coho in. There is no reason to be keeping fish if you can't identify the species you have caught.
I saw someone at Tillamook catch and keep a wild coho in a new Bayliner Trophy, I couldn't believe that he didn't know what he had without looking at the mouth. Chinook almost always have large oblong spots and silvers have small round spots.
then you obviosly don't want to reply to badly, cause my email is not blocked. Sh*t or get off the pot.
Dan9113
10-30-2002, 06:29 AM
Sheesh......Fishing must be pretty poor for us to be sitting at a stupid computer arguing about this. The fisherman was wrong to keep this fish and should probably be ticketed. CR was wrong to post or even take this picture, they should know better. I think that defending an idiot for a game violation is just as wrong though. If we let ignorance be an excuse then everyone would just claim this. Keeping the wrong species of fish and a native at that is wrong. Period.
chuck 'n' duck
10-30-2002, 06:54 AM
You tell 'em Dan 9113! :grin:
Email me at the address on my profile. I tried calling last time I was up in Portland, but your number didn't work.
CnD
onstep
10-30-2002, 07:01 AM
One word here: DOUGHBALL
It's shame that this happened.
crabbait
10-30-2002, 07:18 AM
Enough squabblin!
Lund - for the record, we do not know for certain where the fish was caught but it does appear to have an intact adipose and is a silver. We do not support game violations and expect people who fish to know the regulations for the body of water that they are fishing. Igrnorance is not an excuse.
Saying that others must have made a mistake at some point is a rationalization and an attempt to justify the violation. That dog will not hunt here.
Parker - If you would like to contact Coyote Rock and see if more information is available please do so. Posting that others should without making the effort yourself puts you in the same place that they are.
'Nuff said. Lets move on.
Miss B Haven
10-30-2002, 07:30 AM
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Tanner
10-30-2002, 01:36 PM
So There :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: