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Me and Smily went out today to do some crabbing in Nehalem bay which was not that great but on the way back we stopped at the N. Frk Nehalem hatchery to scout around since Smily had never been there before.
We ended up talking with the ODFW volunteer there which was a nice older gentleman. Through our discussions about various topics he asked us if we knew about the new policy about not bleeding fish on the rivers :whazzup: Yes he said "bleeding fish on the rivers" :whazzup: Neither one of us had heard that but he said if anyone is caught bleeding fish on rivers they could receive a citation http://www.schwarzeskassel.de/apboard/smilies/darksky/eek2.gif http://www.schwarzeskassel.de/apboard/smilies/darksky/eek2.gif http://www.schwarzeskassel.de/apboard/smilies/darksky/eek2.gif We were very surprised (we know we are not supposed to clean fish on the rivers) by this but he was adament this is new policy and in fact he had to make improvements at the hatchery to prevent blood from entering the river.
So looks like if you show up at a take out point and your fish has been cleaned and bled, well........
Are other's aware of this? :whazzup:
[ 10-19-2002, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: FM2 ]
Salmonator
10-19-2002, 09:32 PM
Better not tug too hard while fighting a fish as we wouldn't want them to bleed on the way in :rolleyes: . I would have inquired as to what he was growing on that hatchery besides fish :shocked:
ragjr
10-20-2002, 12:12 AM
I saw earler this year at a county park in Columbia County that said that cleaning of fish in not leagal in the state on the water or banks. Never saw it before this summer as it was not there during the spring run. thanks for the info. I will no longer cut the keepers just have to wait to get home and keep them wet in the sack
1pump
10-20-2002, 12:29 AM
The regs say it's unlawful to "dispose of fish carcasses, or parts thereof, in Oregon waters"
So I gues blood is considered a "part" :whazzup: :whazzup:
Snakebite
10-20-2002, 07:31 AM
This is ridiclulous! No game cop in their right mind would hand out a silly citation like that. There's no reason to have a reg like that, biological or otherwise. Somebody's pulling your leg. To begin with it's not in the regulations (duh). Secondly, interpreting blood as "parts therof" would be the same as the slime on the fish. Boy you wouldn't want any of that fish slime to get in the water! The only reason the reg is there is to prevent a big mess at the dock.
Jennie@ifish
10-20-2002, 08:24 AM
This is probably from the "committee for no nutrients in the river".
Wouldn't want that, now would we? We only allow cow manure, fertilizer from golf courses and good things like that!
??
I wrote to the North Fork asking about this.
This is strange if it is true!
I dun't get it!
Jen
[ 10-20-2002, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]
Rip'N'Lips
10-20-2002, 09:07 AM
Rip'N'Lips-
Apparently the thousands of dead salmon they place in the upper waters of rivers to provide nutrients were bled somewhere else... wouldn't want any of that nasty blood to get in the water.
What a crock of ----. I always clean my fish in the water, if it is beneficial to put the carcasses in the water, I believe the guts are just the same. I never place them in sight, or in slow water, but I still adamantly believe the nutrients are needed for the smolt...
If they try and write me up, what an earful they will get...
BUGLEMAN
10-20-2002, 09:46 AM
Cork the EPA - gut and bleed your fish.
Silverado
10-20-2002, 10:04 AM
I have some friends that live on the river down here, and this time of year they have to keep there dogs behind a fence. They don't dare let them run down by the river because of all the "stuff" that floats down from the fisherpeople cleaning their fish.
I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, all I'm saying is your fish guts could be someone else's dead dog.
blacktail
10-20-2002, 10:22 AM
Silverado,
I would think that the spawned out carcasses would be much more abundant in the river than guts from anglers cleaning their catch.
Hard to blame having to keep the dogs locked up on the anglers.
I understand someone wanting to keep their dog from getting sick, but I would think that is any dog owner's responsibilty that lives on a river where fish spawn and die.
Mike
PapaHog
10-20-2002, 02:20 PM
Do you know if that is only on the NF Nahalem or all rivers in the state?
Can it be true?
My first thought is no way then I think "Goverment workers, new regulations, maybe it is so. :sick:
willierower
10-20-2002, 06:19 PM
Wouldnt eggs be considered pats thereof?? If thats the case I guess it illegal to use eggs for bait. :shocked:
If that becomes a law I dont think too many game cops would enforce it. As for cleaning your fish at the river. I do it all the time and I also take the carcasses back to the river to dispose of them. I dont toss them out where people can see them. If someone doesnt like that graemlins/berry.gif !
Silverado
10-20-2002, 06:55 PM
Blacktail,
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
The spawned out carcasses are miles upstream. I was only passing on what my friends told me.
The jest of this thread was bleeding fish in the river, which I agree is not going to hurt anything. I bled my one fish in the river.
I was just trying to add a different perspective, that depending what river you are on, to be aware of how your actions (intentional or not) may affect others.
wetaline
10-20-2002, 07:36 PM
Not that i'm horribly afraid that anything will come of this "no bleeding fish in the river" because its just about the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard........
but if so i guess i bleed my fish in the boat, it runs onto the floor boards, I poor a bucket of water on it, turn on the bilge..... Or clean it in the bow, poor a bucket of water, and it runs out the holes in the side.....
someone may want to follow the seals around next year w/ a blood obsorbing pad of some sort to pull the blood out of the water after each springer they rip the belly out of ....
* and you know what they say about 95% of the stuff we worry about ....
scrod
10-20-2002, 07:48 PM
Now That IS funny!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Eric W.
10-20-2002, 08:04 PM
I wonder if the seal lions know this????
Fishalot
10-20-2002, 08:17 PM
Are we sure this is not another PETA deal, {joke} I think what the end result might be is fish that are not cared for so the eating quality go out the window or people fishing less so we can clean our fish. It looks like a way to cut down on people fishing or just mess up our fishing enjoyment :depressed: .
Fishalot
Smily
10-20-2002, 09:16 PM
Howdy all,
I wish this was some kind of a joke.The Volunteer seemed to be up on all of these new laws to take into effect. This is supposed to take in effect as of 2003. He was stating that mostly why they don't want you to clean your catch in the river as somebody already stated was that at the boat ramps can get quite messy. This blood thing is going too far. He did mention it was a Peta thing and how those types have closed down other fishing areas in other states. There are all types in this world. :hoboy: He also mentioned his hatchery was also one of the hatcherys that would have closed down with the other coastal hatcherys. I was shocked. What a nice facility for hatchery fish.
This might also be a way for them to get more revenue at a later date. However, Who knows of someone gtting a citation for cleaning fish in the river?
He was also telling us how they were enlarging the handicap fishing platform. What a great hole for handicap people. If your handicap and know when the fish are in. This is great place to fish. I was that impressed. I hope I didn't give away anyones honey whole away. :shocked:
:smile: Smily :smile:
Danderson
10-20-2002, 09:27 PM
Wow Whats next no Crab Butter allowed back in the Ocean :mad:
Fishalot is on to the gist of what is going on! Think about the hatchery closures and part of the reason why, they cannot meet safe water policies and have to be upgraded to do this. Now add the pressue of this "bleeding fish" issue and you can see where this is headed!
Another tactic by the purist to eliminate hatchery fish by having ludicrious policies put in place to have a negative impact on hatchery fish! This was brought up during our conversation and how possibly in 4-5 years there might not be a fishery because if hatchery's close down and there is no fin clipping everything will be considered "NATIVE".
Interesting issue with huge ramifications :hoboy: :hoboy: :hoboy:
Point-of-Sale Clerk
10-20-2002, 11:10 PM
FM2
Are the black helicopters circling your house and beaming microwaves into your head to steal you pin codes while creating a new world order? :grin: :grin:
Somehow everything is not a plot to take away your hatchery fish… :grin:
Jen
You are right, cow pies and chemical fertilizer is OK but the natural nutrients delivered to our streams by these returning fish is somehow bad? I have picked on DEQ in the past for their policies and I probably will again, they deserve it… :hoboy:
garyk
10-20-2002, 11:28 PM
Believe it. Every last word of it. Somebody there, told my friend's brother they'd be cited for even thinking of fishing the N.Fk.Nehalem.
(He alluded that it was a conspiracy between the surplus coho buyers - the more fish that escape fisherman the more profit there is for them - and other shadowy, and no doubt very dangerous individuals).
So stay away. Don't even drive on Hwy.53.
spinnermaker
10-21-2002, 12:13 AM
Then why is the fish and game putting 1000s of frozen fish in the eagle creek? I all so found out NF nehalem only needs 2500 coho to get there eggs for the hatchery but only fin clips 20% to 30% of the coho. So they can sell the other ones that are left over. They sell eggs and the fish and make a big amount of money.
Seefood Man
10-21-2002, 12:34 AM
When I land a fish, I tag it first. Then I bleed it, and I gut it, before I place my line back in the water. The reason is that if I kill a fish I want to take the best care of the meat and the eggs. To do otherwise can result in wasting a fish. Which is better, tend to one's take, or risk the waste.
ssteelheadsteve
10-21-2002, 01:41 AM
Dear Jennie
If you think the Coho you are catching in the NF Nehalem are wild then you should start taking scale samples and you will soon know the truth.
Smily
10-21-2002, 06:52 AM
Hi spinnermaker,
They don't sell the left over fish and eggs. well not the fish anyway. I don't know about the eggs. He mentioned that the fish were given to the needy. It would be a terrible waste if they were wasted. That time I got my citation for _____The OSP consfiscated the fish and gave it to the needy. If they close all the hatchery's then the needy will have to pay for it or eat something else at that point. It's kinda of a win-win situation right now with the extra fish.
:smile: Smily :smile:
Straydog
10-21-2002, 07:14 AM
Yes, if an ODFW volunteer said it, it simply must be true......... :rolleyes:
***, since it appears you have bought into this, I am assuming you have perused the full written text of the rule, checked the data backing its relevance and traced the funding source to know who really is behind this and why it is part of their agenda. Of course, I am also assuming they have shared their agenda, mission statement and all governing criteria to your full satisfaction. :wink:
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GutshotApe
10-21-2002, 07:29 AM
I suspect there is a DEQ rule against hatcheries dumping mega-quantities of fish blood, guts, etc. in the creek, all at once. ODFW-coordinated carcass placement projects in headwater areas required a special DEQ ruling making it legal on a widespread scale.
The reason the synopsis says it is illegal to dispose of fish carcasses or parts thereof in Oregon waters is because a lot of people have little common sense, clean their fish right at the dock or launch, and dump the offal right there. Stinky, stinky :hoboy: !
I have it on good authority that no citations will be issued for cleaning fish and putting the guts in the river if done away from the dock or launch where it doesn't create a problem. :cheers:
CATCH AND EAT
10-21-2002, 07:43 AM
What a dumb rule. I will continue to bleed my fish in the river. If they cite me so be it. How pathetic. :mad:
Jennie@ifish
10-21-2002, 07:49 AM
Andrew caught many large chinook from that disabled ramp when he was still blind.
It was a blast! I got to help!
"Here, Andrew... you are tired, right? Give that rod to Mama... She'll help you!"
Jen
If anyone has any questions call the hatchery and find out for yourself graemlins/idea.gif graemlins/idea.gif graemlins/idea.gif
onebuck
10-21-2002, 03:28 PM
This could be a safety issue....blood in the water could attract sharks!
Snakebite
10-21-2002, 06:21 PM
Another urban myth! Nuff said!
BTW, I really don't look like the guy on my icon. My Dad does though. This is such a worthless thread.
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1pump
10-22-2002, 02:25 AM
F--- 'em. F--- 'em all. I'm gonna keep cleaning my fish like usual. Right where the black helicopters can see me. I'm on to them, though. I made a hat out of tinfoil so they can't pick up my brain waves. That way I can post my thoughts here, unedited.
Gotta go, the space monkeys are calling me from my cable TV box................ :wink:
SandySteel
10-22-2002, 06:39 AM
You have to love conspiracy theories. There is no way to disprove them. My feeling is that the volunteer got hold of the changes they have to make to improve the water quality leaving the hatchery and expanded it to include blood that anglers put in the water from their catch. Hatcheries can put out all sorts of nasty oganic effluence mostly from the feed and poop that is a result of raising millions of smolts.
Then he puts it at the feet of PETA. I am sure if you pressed him that he would also throw in pot smoking hippies, the ATF, and communists from Cuba had a hand in it as well.
Until I hear the word from an official employee stating the rules from an official document don't waste my time.
Talk about rumor mongering.
1pump.... LMAO... I am glad you posted the tin foil hat so that the evil agents of the EPA in a cabel with PETA won't pick up on my brain waves. I am making one as I write this.
[ 10-22-2002, 06:42 AM: Message edited by: SandySteel ]
Point-of-Sale Clerk
10-22-2002, 09:04 AM
SandySteel
Do I see tin foil under this “big zero” hat you are wearing?
http://www.sandysteelheaders.org/pictures/photos/frostbite02/fish.jpg :grin: :grin: :grin:
This can be simple or folks can take it out of context which is evident. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If anyone has any questions call the hatchery and find out for yourself <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">
SandySteel
10-22-2002, 07:46 PM
Hey back off man...... the zero stands for the number of times the ducks have lost this year....ooops.... er I mean it stands for the number of times I have been skunked this... ooops... er damn. That O (not a 0) is filled with super duper fish attracting electronics... yeah that's it!
My only comment regarding calling the hatchery is I would be happy to call the hatchery if I really considered it important. As it is I don't because there have been no posted regulations regarding this... no press releases that usually come from ODFW and if I do call (which I probably won't ) I will want to talk to a government employee vs. a volunteer.
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Flatfish
10-22-2002, 08:00 PM
This just in from the FBI.The choppers are DARK GREEN.Not black.
Thank you for your time in this manner.Oh yeah I cleaned 5 ducks on a river bank today.Am i going to jail?
Mark and the duckmaster dog.
rebell
10-22-2002, 08:01 PM
While on the Chuitna river in Alaska I had a ADFG officer come up to me and ask that I throw all the fish carcasas in the river. I said sure, but asked why it was so important that I did. He said that it was good for the rivers health and it kept the bears from coming in to the area.
Its been proven in Washington and Alaska, dead salmon are important to the rivers ecosystem. Once again Oregons DFG has its head were the sun dont shine.
Jerry Dove
10-22-2002, 08:18 PM
Real simple.... when in doubt, call ODFW or OSP
1pump
10-23-2002, 12:42 AM
The space monkeys have instructed me to peel off those little bar code labels on the back of highway signs....they say they're really instructions pre-placed for an invading army! (I don't know whose army; they said I "didn't need to know" this)
I have to go to K-Falls in the A.M. Looks like I'll be pretty busy on the way down. I'll be the guy in the white Freightliner wearing a tinfoil hat. :shocked: