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Fisthead
10-11-2002, 04:29 PM
I bought a nice fenwick HMG used and found out upon receiving it that the reel seat is loose on the blank. The cork is all tight, but the seat can rotate around the shaft some. Anyone know how to re-secure the seat to the shaft? It seems like glue or epoxy would be what's needed, but I don't know how to get the glue in between the seat and the blank.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Can you see the rod through the reel seat? If so you can apply epoxy then just rotate the reel seat. If you cannot then I would suggest that you drill a small hole in the reel seat and apply the glue that way
KillerDave
10-11-2002, 04:38 PM
The easiest way is to drill a hole in the reelseat right below were the reel will rest (that way when the reel is attached, it hides the hole). Then inject as much epoxy as possible.
You'll need a cheap plastic syringe. Hobby shops have them if you don't want to appear like a druggie to your local pharmacist.
SeanD
10-11-2002, 04:41 PM
I have a loose reel seat problem too, what kind of epoxy do you suggest to put in the hole?
2 part epoxy works really well. You might have to heat it in a microwave to get it to flow, BUT , that shortens the working time. Be ready to set it up in a big hurry.
Hope that helps...
Fisthead
10-11-2002, 06:48 PM
That helps a ton, thanks :smile:
I can see the rod through the reel seat so it should be no problem. I think I have some two part in the garage even...
We'll see how it goes!
KingFisher85
10-12-2002, 12:44 AM
Let us know if this worked for you.
I have the same problem with one of my rods and I might just have to do this to it.
nooknut
10-12-2002, 10:44 AM
A 2-part epoxy is the only way to go. It must be something with a low enough viscosity to flow through the syringe. Any rod-wrap finishing epoxy will do well such as Flex-Coat or Dura-Gloss, as well as the general hardware kind (that I forget the name of) in the double dispensing syringe. Injected through 2 or more holes in the reelseat would be best and then cover with masking tape or rotate with motor to keep epoxy in.
Fisthead
10-12-2002, 11:32 AM
Rotate with motor? Not sure what you mean...
I need to make sure I get this right as the epoxy will dry in the time it takes me to think twice about what I'm doing. I'm thinking about just squirting some in the large hole on the opposite side of the actual seat and then rotating the seat around to get epoxy on the inside, then returning it to where it should be and waiting. Either that or I'll use a LOT of duct tape.
Originally posted by Fisthead:
Rotate with motor? Not sure what you mean...
I need to make sure I get this right as the epoxy will dry in the time it takes me to think twice about what I'm doing. I'm thinking about just squirting some in the large hole on the opposite side of the actual seat and then rotating the seat around to get epoxy on the inside, then returning it to where it should be and waiting. Either that or I'll use a LOT of duct tape.<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I think thats your best option.
Gus Orviston
10-12-2002, 03:09 PM
Return it :whazzup:
You do not need to rotate it with a motor. That is for making sure the Flexcoat epoxy, covering your thread wraps, finishes smoothly. Don't use Flexcoat to secure anything! it is made expressly for covering thread wraps. The 2 part you have will work well. just make sure you get thorough coverage on your blank and on the reel seat.
Let us know how it works.
nooknut
10-12-2002, 03:48 PM
Fisthead,
I tend to disagree with Mojo, Flex Coat or Dura Gloss will hook and hold just fine. They both stick and adhere quite well. If you use one of these epoxies, you have plenty of time to work it. So much in fact that it typically takes 6 hours or more to be dry to the touch, and at least 24 hours before you can use/stress it. (This is why a motor is a used on rod (guide) wraps to prevent the epoxy from sagging. A rotisserie motor works well for this.) Being that you will never see the epoxy under the reelseat, just use masking tape over the hole to keep it from oozing out. You could also use a 5-minute epoxy, but I think the longer curing epoxies flow thinner.
Position the reelseat 180º from where you want it, squirt some in, rotate it to final placement and fill it the rest of the way. Turn it on a motor for 6 hours, or just cover hole with masking tape.
Tip: follow mixing directions carefully, and when you're done injecting, save a little excess epoxy somewhere so you can see if it did indeed cure correctly 24 hours later. Also, leave the rod alone for this time, and just let it be. The bottom of a beer or soda can with its' indentation works well for mixing and no cleanup needed.
Big Dave
10-12-2002, 06:03 PM
I tend to agree with Gus on this on ! Why drill a hole in a brand new pole and TRY and fix it ? When I buy something I expect it to work right at least for a few months ! Now if this were a old pole or one you picked up at a garage sale for $10 then I would say drill, paste, and tape away nothing lost. But just try and return it after you bored a hole in it !!
Thats all I got to say on this matter......Big Dave.
ampersat
10-12-2002, 06:38 PM
the "rotate it" is for the dry, or set, time. if you don't rotate the entire rod, the epoxy will find some place to ooze out and make a mess. if you keep the rod rotating while the epoxy sets, it'll set up symmetrically around the rod. no rocket science involved; just find something roughly level you can lay the rod in and rotate it a quarter turn every quarter hour. let us know how it turns out. i'm dying to find out how this story ends.
fishisabonus
10-12-2002, 06:55 PM
I have a rod with a problem too. It doesn't go fishing enough. :grin:
Fisthead
10-12-2002, 07:55 PM
Man, you guys must be bored stiff! :wink: You'll have to wait until tomorrow because I'm not messing with it until then.
I can't return it because I bought it used for a great price. The guy I bought it from offered to refund my money but this is a simple fix and it's a $160 rod in like new condition (other than the seat) that I got for $40. This is no problem. I'll do it tomorrow with some quick dry I think. I can't rotate the rod for 6 hours.
Thanks for all the replies!
KingFisher85
10-13-2002, 12:07 AM
Duck Tape=Mans best friend :grin:
Originally posted by boater:
i would drill a 3/16" hole thru the reel seat and stick a 10 penny nail thru it and bend it over on the other side and wrap some duck tape around it j/k.<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Don't laugh boater I had to do that very thing once.
boater
10-14-2002, 12:48 AM
i would drill a 3/16" hole thru the reel seat and stick a 10 penny nail thru it and bend it over on the other side and wrap some duck tape around it j/k.
[ 10-13-2002, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: boater ]
CHUMSALMON
10-14-2002, 07:57 AM
as another note, fenwick is great about replaceing rods. even though you bought it second hand you could easily take it back and have it shipped back to fenwick and they will send you a new rod. the only issue is it will take awhile to get the rod back. just a thought, but if want to use the rod right now then i go with all of the above suggestions (well except drilling a hole all the way through the rod :grin: )
chumsalmon
Use 5 min epoxy. Works fine hardens fast and will hold well. If you get any where you don't want it you can clean up with fingernail polish. Good luck.
Dan9113
10-14-2002, 03:34 PM
sprinkle a little bit of garlic Slam-ola and a dash of black pepper on it then bake in a 375 degree oven for 31/2 hours. This is sure to come out well done.....and tender...
Deleted User
10-14-2002, 03:58 PM
:hoboy:
Ramstrong
10-15-2002, 01:57 PM
I had the same thing happen a couple of years ago, I liberally applied superglue to the seat, cork and blank in the area where it was loose. Added a bit of baking soda to the superglue and it set up almost instantly and was plenty strong. Didn't look pretty, but I didn't have any problems from there out.
Fisthead
10-15-2002, 09:06 PM
What I did didn't hold at all. I hooked a chinook in a lure that someone else had foul-hooked in it's back and faught it for 25 minutes before I pulled both lures free and he swam away. Did the seat come loose then? No. It came free on my walk down to the river while I was testing to see whether the epoxy would hold it :\
I don't know what to do now. I don't think I want to mess with it anymore. Does anyone know of a decent place in PDX that will fix something like this without charging me too much?
Thanks
Fisthead
10-16-2002, 12:46 AM
Things did not work out as well as I originally thought they would. After examining the seat more closely, I could tell that the only way this was going to work was by drilling some holes. So I did. I drilled two of them and couldn't find an area that would give me access to a hollow area inside the seat so I could get the epoxy in between the seat and the rod. So...on the opposide side of the actual reel seat is an open area where the rod shows through for a couple inches. I ended up applying most of the epoxy there and twisiting the seat around to try to apply it underneath. That fitting was too tight so I just applied a bunch of it around the seam where the rod and seat meet up there. I know that makes little sense. I don't know how well this will hold and I can't send it back to Fenwick now so I'm hoping for the best. I'm going out in an hour so we'll see how well it holds. I'm sure it will only have to hold well enough for me to cast and retrieve lures or corkies, as that's all I'll probably have on the end of my line all day :grin:
AtWorkALot
10-16-2002, 06:04 AM
Try contacting Fenwick and explain your situation. They will probably help you out. FenwickFishing.com.
You might call Olllie Damons. They could recommend someone if they can't fix it.
Fisthead
10-16-2002, 09:35 AM
OK, I have to give a plug for Fenwick here. I called them this morning about the rod and told them what was wrong and that I was not the original owner and that I had tried (unsuccessfully) to fix it myself. They gave me no grief whatsoever and said to send it back to them and I would have a new rod in 10-20 days. Not bad! It's too bad I have to be without it for that long, but it's well worth it.
Awesome!! :cheers: to Fenwick!!