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Bankbound
10-01-2002, 01:43 PM
Ok what do you all think. I have been using gizmo bobber stops for some time now, but the problem that I have is that when I set the stop for say fifteen feet. When I go to cast the stop is way up almost into my reel and when I cast the stop gets hung up on the guides of the rod causing the depth to increase or the whole thing to not cast at all. :mad: Now this does'nt happen every time but I'd say about 65% at least, it is becoming very frustrating having to play with the stop every minute or so.
I am using a 8'6'' rod w/ 11 guides and a levelwind reel. Is there a diff type of stop that works better? Should I go to a spinning reel that has bigger guides? If anyony else is having this problem or knows how to remedy it please help!
Mike
El-Kabong
10-01-2002, 01:49 PM
Hi,
A longer rod would help the situation. I finally broke down and bought a 10.5 footer after 2 years of trying to use a 9' for bobber fishing.
You can also try tying a small rubber band above the bobber and cinching the know good and tight they trim off the excess.
Mike
husker
10-01-2002, 01:50 PM
make your own.....go get some braided line.....tie a nail knot......place it a straw and take them with u.....cheap......doesnt get stuck in your eyes.......leave tag ends to retighten every now and again
Bankbound
10-01-2002, 01:54 PM
Husker you mean thread the nail knot up the line as it will hold tighter to the line than a plastic stop?
Captn
10-01-2002, 01:56 PM
I don't know what a gizzmo bobber stop is, but I know how to get around your problem. You can use 20 or 30 lb tuff line or dental floss (waxed it the best) tie a nail not with about 6 turns on it. Take a bit of time to tighten the knot on your line so that it does not lump (keep teasing it out as you pull the ends tight) and once the knot is tight leave a small amount on each end. You can take a pair of needle nose pliers to tighten again if needed. That knot will last on the line as long as you want it to. It should not hang up in the guides or the reel. Usually if I have a problem, it is the bead coming through the guides, and then you just use a larger bead. Good luck
husker
10-01-2002, 01:57 PM
yes a nail knot will hold much better
Tanner
10-01-2002, 02:11 PM
Forget the straw and just learn how to tie a good nail knot. If you pre tie them and put them on straws then you still have to untie and re-tie your terminal tackle when changing a bobber stop. I keep a spool of bright yellow 30 lb dacron fly reel backing with my bobber gear and can change bobber stops in a matter of seconds, without having to retie all my terminal tackle.
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Stz ll
10-01-2002, 02:19 PM
I know what the problem is! You are using a bobber stop called a Gizmo!! :grin:
Nanook
10-01-2002, 02:22 PM
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Bankbound
10-01-2002, 02:36 PM
lol...Very funny gentlemen the gizmo is a brand of bobber stops
I have never tied a nail knot so I am assuming they can be tied onto the mainline, but then can they be removed if needed. Also can it be loosened to change depth or do I have to cut it off and tie another one? I do appreciate all of the good feedback :smile:
You can get one of the Joe Little tiemasters knot tool which ties easy nail knots. You can tie them right on the spot with little or no hassle.
There is a link on ifish for Tiemaster.
Good Luck
timinthegorge
10-01-2002, 02:52 PM
FM2....... precisely!! :smile:
Get a Tie Master and never have to buy a bobber stopper again!
Plus...... never have a knot fail again on your terminal gear!
Tim :cheers:
Dragfreedrift
10-01-2002, 03:42 PM
Love that Tiemaster too! A great tool.
Let me add one other thing: Try tying your stops out of waxed dental floss....the wax in the thread makes the stop very sticky on the line and it will almost never move!!
A trick I learned up north in BC!
Half Canuck
Bankbound
10-01-2002, 04:31 PM
thanks everyone!! :smile: :smile: :smile:
Nanook
10-01-2002, 05:02 PM
FM2 I think I will have to take you fishing one of these days, JUST to show you how to tie fishing knots. LOL.
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JeepMcMuddy
10-01-2002, 05:50 PM
I agree...tie your own on the spot. I use waxed dental floss. Here is a link to Marty's site, he has a page with how to tie this very same knot.
Bobber Stopper Knot (http://www.steelheader.net/knots/float_stopper.htm)
I've never done done the bobber fishing for salmon thing but use the same techniques for trout. I gotta get over to thr coast and try it out on the big'uns.
Matt "JeepMcMuddy" Brown
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Salmonator
10-01-2002, 10:09 PM
I usually buy one pack of pre-tied stops per season for less than three bucks. One on each rod per year usually does the trick. A bit of advise I would give is to find a stopper bead that matches your line. The ones that come with the tied stops don't fit all lines and you'll have problems with either the bead not sliding good enough (and running through the eyes) or is will jump the stop. And once it does this it is a real pain to get back to the other side.
crabbait
10-01-2002, 11:25 PM
Find beads with small holes that are large enough not to fit through your top guide. Be careful that the bead is not too small to fit through the ceramic guide insert but small enough to fit through the metal portion of the guide. If this is the case, the bead will neatly remove your ceramic guide insert the first time it gets hung on the knot.
If you have a bead that slips over your knot it will continue to slip over your knot. I keep a few new rubber bands in my box and add one at the stop if the knot decides to slip through.
At your insistance, I picked up a spool of 80lb tuf line that will go on the new calcutta. The line diameter is large enough that knots should not slip through the bead.
fishbait
10-02-2002, 06:16 AM
Hey Crabbait, welcome to the dark side, you wont be sorry. Step up you leader too, or you'll bust um off an the hook set. Fall chinook are not line shy, 40 or 50 lb. You will never go back to mono. Do yourself a favor and try it back bouncing, talk about a hook set... Yahoo
I used to use a nail knot, but switched about 15 years ago. Actually started with rubberbands. I will try to describe the knot I use. Consider it my contribution for the week. :smile: Start with a 8in piece of line. Lay it right next to your main line and then form a 2 in diameter loop with both lines, take one end of your bobber stop and pass it throught the loop about 5 times, wrapping around both lines, do it neatley, then let go of the loop and pull the two ends of the bobber stop tight. Tighten good and snug, trim ends. thats it. Bought a new cooler at Joes a few days ago, as I was looking at some other gear I saw about 15 bags of the pre tied knots on pieces of straws and ask myself "do people really buy these things", well ... for those of you that have been buying those pre tied knots you owe me a random act of kindness in the next 7 days for the money and time I just saved you. You really need to do this or you will seriously jepordize your fish mo jo. Seriously jepordize it. Now ask yourself, is it worth taking the chance??????? :whazzup: naw, so go out and do something nice for a stranger, it will make you feel good and your fish mo jo will be intact....... :cheers: Oh ya, one last thing, do not, I repeat do not us this knot in Nanooks hole, thats aginst the rules..... :grin:
Nail knot, tie-master ... whatever you use, I've found that 30# Florescent Orange Micron (Fly line backing) makes a great knot. It ties tight, it's easy to see and it's got enough diameter to keep from going through a bead.
crabbait
10-02-2002, 07:50 AM
Fishbait - I have used 50lb tuf and 40lb leader for years. Love the stuff for bobber fishing, backbouncing, trolling, running K-fish, etc. I think I may have one steelhead drift rig that still has mono on it. Everything else is tuf or Power pro. :wink:
fishbait
10-02-2002, 08:15 AM
I stand corrected..... Man, not even 6:20 and I already made my first mistake of the day, hate it when that happens....
Tanner
10-02-2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Fishbait:
I used to use a nail knot, but switched about 15 years ago. Actually started with rubberbands. I will try to describe the knot I use. Consider it my contribution for the week. Start with a 8in piece of line. Lay it right next to your main line and then form a 2 in diameter loop with both lines, take one end of your bobber stop and pass it throught the loop about 5 times, wrapping around both lines, do it neatley, then let go of the loop and pull the two ends of the bobber stop tight. Tighten good and snug, trim ends. thats it. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">.
That is a nail knot, just without the nail. :whazzup:
Nanook
10-02-2002, 09:39 AM
LOL Tanner. Exactly. :tongue:
husker
10-02-2002, 09:50 AM
fishing knots (http://www.guideshop.com/knots.htm)
nail knot (http://www.killroys.com/knots/nail.htm)
enjoy kids
:cheers:
Bankbound
10-02-2002, 10:57 AM
So my question remains can the knot be loosened and moved around to adjust the depth you want to fish?? Or what??? :whazzup:
husker
10-02-2002, 11:01 AM
yes...u can move it up and down.....but it will also hold tight.....slide through your guides easily......
when bobber fishing i generally start at about 8' and move down in 2 foot increments.
good luck
Tanner
10-02-2002, 04:06 PM
Yes, The nail knot can be slid up and down your mainline for depth adjustments. If you cinch it tight enough it will take a little work to get it slide the first couple of times.
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fishbait
10-02-2002, 08:53 PM
Guess what I should have said is that I stopped using a nail( I actually usually used a stick ) to tie my bobber stop knot. And anyway, how can you call it a nail knot without the nail?............ Ok, so I don't know the name, but it sure is easier to tie with the loop vs. using a stick or a straw............ Ok second mistake today, thats not too bad for me.. :grin:
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