Rudness

[Claybear]

:smile: Well today took my wife and son out, found a nice little slot, marked fish and cought one :cheers: . The next thing I know A boat come's up and anchors above and on top of us, :shocked: hooks his lines into my anchor rope. :whazzup: He pops my anchor loose. :depressed: We come back up and have to anchor beside them, graemlins/stupid.gif they drift back and under us and take over the spot, :mad: I want to spit nails and my wife say's she had enough of this fall chinook stuff. :sick: Now that takes the cake. I've seen It all now.
Tight lines. Clay

[DF]

Where were you anchord?
we fished st. helens today.. was it a ski boat by any chance?

Dustin

[Sturgeonbait]

We had A guy do that while sturgeon fising but did not move plus we got a new sturgeon h :grin: ook

[proguide]

where were you at? dont let it end on a bad note for your wife. let us know where you live and I am sure we can hook you up good luck

[fishisabonus]

The guy probably didn't know what he was doing. He probably didn't mean to cause so many problems, it was just ignorance. There is a nack to dropping anchor and running a boat.

I remember one time I watched a guy launch a really nice boat, having trouble backing the trailer in, you name it. He couldn't even get it started. I started asking him questions and he only had the boat a month or so. I felt sorry for his wife and kids. Was relieved to see his children in PFD's.

So, try to remember, maybe he is just learning. However, he gets mouthy and flips the bird, etc., feel free to cut his anchor rope when he tangles with yours, and the same with his fishing lines. :smile:

[proguide]

not sure I would cut someones rope unless it is a safety issue. you never know who has there gun. remember we seem to have alot of... lets just say not so nice people out there 9-11 is a good for instance

[Fshklr]

Clayton,
Hang in there, and keep tryin. Have had all these things you've been posting about happen also. It's a learning process for some that never is achieved. Soon you will recognize guys to fish next to or with that have the skill to hog line successfully and politely, there are hundreds doing it daily. No matter what the sport, or where you shop, etc. you will find the ill advised and ill mannered. Keep your cool and keep fishing. Every dog has his day and sounds like yours is gonna be big! :cheers:

[Claybear]

:tongue: Thanks to all but we may be :depressed: done for the year, :grin: time for hunting! We've had a pretty good year fishing, freezers full, so it hasn't end on a bad note. Just a new experiance for fall chinook. Were learning. :smile: We may be out agian on sat, My wife has never cought a URB, so we may be out one more time, we'll see. Meet ya on the river sometime.
Clay

[BigBeanCounter]

What you need is to carry a BIG hook (like off a tow strap) on 50' or so of good, stout rope......snag their anchor line and pop their anchor!! graemlins/idea.gif

Doesn't that sound like a good "Old Testament" punishment (do unto others, etc, etc) !! :grin: :grin:

At least you'd get your spot in the line back pretty darn quick! :wink: :wink:

[Nanook]

Man. :sick:

I Hate When That Happens! (http://www.ifish.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=015175)

[ 09-08-2002, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[DF]

Hey ******... off the soap box man

No matter where you fish or what you do, there will be people who are JUST LEARNING.
I bet I screwed up once or twice when learning to fish.. if you don't educate no one else will learn to fish properly and where to go and fishing as we know it will die off. Its hard to find kids today that go to my High School that wanna fish.
If you go to secrecy and hide your spots like its some big deal, people will just give up. If I was a new guy I would feel like an outcast and feel like people are un SPORTSMAN like hiding their "honey" holes. If your not willing to give out good info, then don't post, its almost like reading and taking in all the info you can and keeping all of the knowledge do yourself. :rolleyes:

Sorry man sounds a little selfish to me

:hoboy:

[Nanook]

Listen Snotnose, you don't have a clue. I will ride my soapbox on this issue forever, so get used to it, because it's true. This behavior is totally unacceptable, period.

My point is safety, respect and sanity. Not secret fishing holes, which there ain't any, anymore. Everyone could be happy, safe and catch fish, minus the total BS and very much on purpose and obvious sheyat head behavior. Yes we all forgive ignorance to a point.

Go do the drum solo on "InAGaddaDaVidda" and like the post said, "Think About It."

You directed your totally offbase response to me, so you got my answer. :hoboy:

:sleep:

[ 09-08-2002, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[Capin' Dan]

******, back off buddy, Dustin is right is ignorance really rudeness, lets face it that river can be damn hard to anchor in sometimes. As far as the name calling goes thats way off line Dustin is a good kid and doesn't deserve the kind of crap that your are giving him. Why don't you think about what you are typeing before you send it.

[kampy]

Hate it when that happens. Had a guy trolling in the ocean nearly hit me. Guess he need more room.

[Pilar]

and cooler heads prevail ...

I can understand the frustration here ****** as this is one of my pet peeves. Sometimes it can be hard to tell if the guy is intentionally jerking your anchor so he can drop into your slot or just having his first rodeo.

If any of you lack experience or confidence in anchoring, show some respect for the guys who got on the river early that day and go practice somewhere else. Nothing sucks worse than a doughball sliding down your anchor line trying to get his to short line pulled in.

Just because you see a hot hogline does not mean you have to try to hit the only 10' hole left in the line.

[TheRogue]

Dustin.....

Right on the money, man, good post.

Unfortunately, not all of us came into this world knowing absolutely everything :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hang in there Clayton, adversity makes us better people. Hopefully, the person who anchored above you learned something today, and won't try that the next time anywhere near ******.

TR

[RichH]

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law.

Taken directly from the use of the board policy.

Listen Snotnose.

Does this apply? :shocked:

[TundraIII]

Anchoring in the Columbia is a new experience for me. As much as I wanted to anchor in the middle with everyone at Frenchmans on Saturday, I didnt feel comfortable or confident enough to do it. So I anchored away from everyone, and I'll probably do that until I feel that I've gotten good enough at it. We still went home with fish and we had a real stressless and peaceful day. I recognized a couple of boats but wish I new who was on what boat. Talked the wife into going to Ifishstock this weekend so I'm looking forward to meeting everyone. :grin:

[TheRogue]

Great attitude T3!! You'll get it figured out, and be sliding right into those 10ft wide holes with no problem http://www.ifish.net/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[Chris Nordling]

I don't head to the river to be a teacher. If I wanted to do that, I'd get paid for it.

If you don't know how to anchor, the middle of the salmon season amongst a hundred or so boats, is not the place to try or learn.If you mess up, then re-do it, don't make everyone else around you work with your ignorance.

It's not about secret spots. I agree, none of those left. Those who want to learn will do it like the rest of us.

Practice, practice, and more practice.Pay attention to the details, and you'll catch fish.

Fishing as we know it isn't going to die off because I yelled at some guy for anchoring on my rope, or for cutting off my lane.

Just like any sport, there are rookies, and there are vets to straighten the rookies out. Been that way for eons. Get used to it.

It's kind of like baseball. Sometimes you have to practice ( i.e. launching, anchoring etc..) when the offseason is around, just to get better.

I once slipped my driftboat between two others that were over 15' apart. I was alone and was able to slip perfectly between them ( drift boats tend to swing..ALOT) by stopping above them and tossing out my socks to get my perfect line. AS I was bouncing out, both guys looked at me and said at the same time " I would have never even thought about trying that. That was tight fit. But you left plenty of room between us. Cool."
My reply was simple "Guys, I've been practing that before anyone else was out here fishing but me and two friends with boats. Keep practicing, it really isn't that tough"

My thoughts are still that today. Keep practicing, as practice will make near perfect. Just don't do it in the crowds during peak season.

Chris :cool:

[ 09-09-2002, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[Nanook]

Keep your point and click BS board. Bah. :sleep: He jumped me for something I was not even talking about, thus he got the response he got. I was not complaining, I was empathizing with the original poster.

Don't need it, don't need some of you clowns either. :hoboy:

[ 09-09-2002, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[Chris Nordling]

Agree with you there ******. Drummer/Fisherman jumped you for nothing realted here. Seems that was his response to another recent thread.

Fishing as we know it is going to die off......PLEASE.............

Chris :cool:

[Sturgeon 42]

I can anchor with the best of them but refuse to do so any more cause of all the hassle,I anchor above everyone and still catch fish and when I float down I can say high to everyone, of course there are the ones that see me with a fish on and come anchor above or below me(to close of course) I say come anchor by either side of me Just not below or above to close....... :grin: :grin: :grin:

[fishisabonus]

Rudness?

Seems to be a lot of that going around now days.

[FishinMission]

Claton buddy....The incident that happened to you...I've seen happen all too often.

Believe it or not....It's one factor in my decision to quit posting WHERE I may be having success.

Yeah...I know...others will talk....and when they see enough of it..they'll figure it out too, and also quit talking..

As far as anchoring..and knowing how...etc....

Go practice somewhere else.

I'm off to the river.........

C-YA

Mark

[garyk]

Hey Tundra3 who wrote: "As much as I wanted to anchor in the middle with everyone at Frenchmans on Saturday, I didnt feel comfortable or confident enough to do it."

Don't sweat it. Just cause everyone's there, doesn't mean it's THE ONLY place to be. With the bite favoring the outside of the line, there's a ton of room out there.

Here's a lesson from yesterday. Guy comes late (even later then me), and instead of trying to squeeZZe into the crowded middle of the line, he take's a big ol' 50' slot nearly on the outer end. Good karma pays him back with the hottest spot on the line and four fish.

On the Columbia you don't have to be in the thick of it to catch fish.

[DF]

all I can say is thank you to dan and the rouge and others that agree.

To ******, maybe you could write one of those books about the world because you KNOW IT ALL.
And whats with calling everyone clowns? Once again.. since when do you KNOW everything? :whazzup:
Also, I think marks original post was about posting reports, how you should think twice before you post because if you do you will have everyone on your spot. I see that as a trash on ifish, so what are you trying to say? Don't use the information here to get you into fish?? :whazzup:

[ 09-09-2002, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Drummer/Fisherman ]

[M W Sheller]

Maybe, when you are new at something, you could voice your ignorance to those around you, and ask for help. If you don't know how to anchor,(row,pass other boats, or bankies), then stay out of the crowd. Learn your licks, then join the band. If you're new to your boat, stay away from the crowd.
And don't forget to say, " I'm sorry, I f***ed up." It will releave a lot of tension, on both sides. :cheers:

[Chacal]

What I haven't been liking is the fact that I am new.

OK, so I don't know how to anchor. Fine. I practice and TRY to go ABOVE the hogline far enough to be out of people's way. Then, when the anchor doesn't grab and finally stops I get yelled at because we don't know what we are doing!!! :mad:

It is a two-way street! You guys who know everything (or a lot of stuff) should just calm down and recognize someone trying to learn!!!

In the last two weeks I have been cussed at, laughed and and generally embarrassed to even be on the river. I even have my ifish stickers on and it STILL happens.

Jeez. Here I thought fishermen were well-balanced.

Maybe after the first heavy rain some of the yahoos will be weeded out and I can practice and fish without ******* eveyrone off.

Chacal

[DF]

Chacal
im sorry for your troubles man,
yes some people do think they know everything :rolleyes: and that they themselves have never made a mistake
keep trying and keep practicing and you will get good and be fishing right next to them

[MasterCaster]

Hmmm "Snotnose" thats sounds real mature..... :rolleyes: :hoboy:

While you have yours in the air you might want to look in the mirror and wipe it ****** seems like you have some real issues dude. Talk about unacceptable behavior. :hoboy:

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[Hogmaster]

Geez!

It must be the moon or something.

Drummer, a shot was taken at you. OK, it was wrong, but you are not going to make it better by making a crusade about it.

I have been reading the board a fair amount of time before I joined several months ago.

In that time ****** has frequently provided balance and humor as things got out of hand on other threads. But I have never seen him claim to know it all.

I suspect that, since he has become silent on this thread, that if everything were to be able to be redone, he would not have handled it the same way.

Part of this is the fact that the site keeps growing. All things that grow result in individual parts becoming less influential to the "being". This is true with living organisms and in business and is a truism here too. Whether we like it or not, our individual voices are being sorta drowned out by all the others.

Then there is the indisputable fact that there ARE more boaters on the river. Some know what they are doing, many don't. But worse is that people who admit they don't get chastized anyway by those that have more experience but have no time or inclination to empathize let alone offer useful suggestions and at the same time a gorwing number of rude and clueless are joining the fray. There are those that really act like they don't give fetid steaming dog excrement about whether anyone else on the river is affected by their actions. Too bad.

What we all CAN do is try to get along and be both willing to help and willing to accept that we and everyone else makes mistakes. If we do so then we can be a huge force on the rivers in a positive way.

And yes, drummer, keep in mind that the more one insists that someone else is claiming to know it all the more it sounds like the person saying it is saying they know more. It does not endear.

Please don't let this get out of hand.

"Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King

[Trick]

All those individual voices....your not talking about the voices in my head are you? :whazzup:

This dispute is minor compaired to the board meltdown we had awhile back. No big deal.

I can relate to ******. We all get fustrated by the rudeness out there and I believe alot of it is intentional. I've only fished a hogline once and it didn't involve the problems that I hear described. I hate to think it gets as bad as I hear described in these threads. Maybe one of you will invite me out sometime and show me how bad it is....I'll buy bait and split the gas bill :grin: .

As far as teaching rookies we all should help. I'm taking a couple newbies to slay BIG silvers this week as my contribution to society. Yes they are in and biting. Me and my freind limited last week tossing spinners in tidewater. One jack, one 15 lb, one 13.5 lb, one 9 lb and one 6lb silver. I'll even give you a hint as to where...it's somewhere in Oregon :grin: .

Anyways...go catch a fish and you'll feel all better! :wink:

[Take Down]

I certainly wouldn't be too hard on ******. I have seen more discourteous behavior this year than any in memory. I have no problem cutting slack to beginners, but many people out on the river, boat launches, etc. know exactly what they are doing and are just rude. For example, the guy who ties up the boat ramp for 15 minutes after putting his boat on the trailer to let the gas run out of his motor-with 8 other boats waiting to take out no less. :mad: There's no excuse for that. I say cut all the slack in the world to newbies, but policing the ranks by some of the more experienced is definitely in order. As Chris says, practice during the offseason definitely makes sense. :wink:

TD

[DF]

Hogmaster I agree,
I got a little hot headed and im sorry for that.
Being fairly new at this fishing stuff and hearing and seeing frustrations of some trying to learn where and how to catch fish. It botherd me when I read the other thread that FM started
Again im sorry if I flew off the handle, I allowed myself to get more involved when ****** called me "snot nosed" man thats grade school stuff :tongue: us highschoolers know how to whipe our noses :grin:

[Hogmaster]

It means something to be man enough to apologize.

Now, get that drool off yer chin and git study'n!

:cheers:

[corrirod]

You don't have to slide between anyone if you get there early enough.....right?

If you see a hot spot and you are the slightest bit uncomfortable about anchoring between other boats.....let it go! Come back another day and be the first one in the spot. Don't endanger others over a damn fish.

If you do decide to try and anchor, ask the people in the boats if they mind or not first. If they say "go ahead" then they'll be more apt to watch you and make sure you're not going to get tangled up.

Chacal, get somebody on your boat who can give you advice. Practice when others aren't around. There are hundreds of miles of river out there that are available to practice on. I don't know all the boating skills I should but I don't feel I should burden others while I'm learning. Imagine other's frustration when they've put in their time expecting to finally reap the rewards and now they have you wrapped up in their anchor or screwing around at the ramp, or ramming into them at the dock, etc..

I don't agree that newbee's need to be yelled at but they should admit their faults and stay out of the way. I do.

[Straydog]

My my ******..... and you accused me of learning bad habits on O Live......... :hoboy:

"Snotnose"? :hoboy:

[cully]

i'm a newbie, I've been practicing drifting and anchoring all summer. I've also read this thread. I've been a bankie for 10 years and not once did standing on the bank with a zillion other fisherman interest me. What's with that anyway? Looks like a big fat bore to me. I'll walk miles to get away from that circus. Same with the boat, you guys can have that I-5 nightmare. I'll float right on by and find my own life on the river.
By the sound of it, the hog line will never be of interest to me. That I'm sure is good for you and I know will be great for me.

[crabbait]

The name of this thread is "Rudeness" and I guess it has earned its moniker. Plenty of rudeness to go around.

Drummer - Be careful where you put your spurs. Even if you are right your correctness will not be appreciated until you are a little dryer behind the ears. Fortunately, this is a self-correcting problem. Listen, watch, and learn and you will display wisdom beyond your years. (Wise young bears are often quiet around grumpy old bears. Let the other grumpy old bears deal with it. That is how young bears get to be grumpy old bears.)

****** - Easy on the young seaman. He is trying to learn and to show what he has learned. Many tides ago you were a young bear who knew it all, too. (In another twenty years you may need a young hand to help you put that anchor in the perfect spot.)

There are enough fish and enough river to go around! A moron will only ruin your day if you let him ruin your day. Rejoice! We are healthy and have great fish to catch and eat and a dry warm place to, uh, expel that fish!

[TundraIII]

GaryK, your comments are right on man, I ended up achoring on the outside in 45 ft of water and ended up haveing a 38 pounder wolf down my Brad's (the wobbler was straight out of the box, I might add) . I'll be heading out after work today to try it again for a couple of hours, and I wont worry about being in the middle of the river :grin:

[Nanook]

My 73 old father. THIS is all that really matters to me. Sayonara. See you around.

http://www.ifish.net/uploads/321615252.jpg

:sleep:

[ 09-10-2002, 03:20 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[luguando]

Crabbait,

A fresh and wise point of view. Too much ego on this thread. The Columbia can be a very dangerous place, especially during a strong outgoing tide. If you lack the experience with anchoring please go to the end of the hogline (inside or out) and drop anchor there.
Remember to consider the affect that a strong current is going to have on your anchor as it drops. Do you see how much your 12 ounce sinker falls behind the boat when you drop it during the running tide? Well, your anchor is a bigger object attached to a larger diameter line.
It will fall quite a long ways down stream before it hits the bottom. Consider that when you decide to drop.

[DanS]

****** is just being a little bit "cracker intolerant". After seeing several debacles over the last couple weeks, I can't say I blame him too much. :wink:

[Chacal]

I can't wait for Sturgeon season to open.

God save anyone who is new.

Whatever.

:sleep: :hoboy: :rolleyes:

[FishinMission]

Drummer/Fisherman...How are your reading grades??

I suggest you re-read my post again.

Nowhere did I ever say I would refrain from offering tech tips.

If you look up "locale" in the dictionary.....well...how about looking it up to see what it means??

Your knee jerk reactions are wearing on us old men. Some are about ready to bail out of here on Ifish due to it.

I post pics to back up what I'm telling you all. In other words...what I say we're doing... works.

NEVER have I refrained from saying what was working, or how we fish any given area.

Besides that...anybody with some good binoculars can figure out what's working in a given area.

I may not come out and post tips as a thread...to be the "Post King"...but if you poke around enough here on the board....you'll find plenty of tech offerings by myself.....and I'd even be willing to bet a hundred bucks there's alot more from me, than there are from you.

Chill, buddy.

Mark

[Chris Nordling]

******-

That is a priceless pic man. That is way too cool, and for those of you who don't know what it's about, that's a fine example in that picture.

One day, I can only hope that is me, still enjoying life, holding a beautiful fish, at age 73 :cheers:

Mission: don't you be heading out of here too.

Chris :cool: