Think about it........... [Archive]

FishinMission

09-08-2002, 08:03 AM

While we all like to boast and brag about our nice catches(I'm one of the worst), wherever, or whenever they may be....

I'd like to suggest to those that do, to think about the consequenses.

Call me selfish if you'd like..I really don't care. But I've pretty much made up my mind that I will no longer be announcing the locale of my own successes.

We now have a sports writer for the Oregonian on board, and that's just fine with me. But just remember...if you announce that... say...Frenchman's Bar is "HOT"......Not only will it end up here on the board for countless thousands to read...it could also end up in the Oregonian for countless MORE thousands to read.

The results become obvious the moment you arrive at the boatramp...and continue on throughout the day with increased situations of
stupidity and ignorance demonstrated not only at the ramp, but out in your favorite fishing spot.

As a suggestion...perhaps...Bill Monroe could take some space in the outdoors column to educate the non-knowing public on such things as boat ramp etiquette (sp?) and anchoring do's and don'ts.

So...from here on out, at least for myself...I'll be happy to share WHAT I'm doing...but just not WHERE.

So...the next time you're in the middle of a "zoo".....whether it be on the ramp...or on the water...Think about it.

O.K....I'm done venting for now.............

Mark

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Pete

09-08-2002, 08:07 AM

Aw, cummon FM, we already know where you're fishing so you might as well just tell us! :wink:

Is it true you're going to repaint your boat and change the name to "******* Magnet"? :grin:

FishinMission

09-08-2002, 08:09 AM

I know...I need to change my I.D.....and yes.....that name has been seriously considered!!

Mark

Nanook

09-08-2002, 08:10 AM

And not to add to any controversy, but in addition to agreeing with Mark, if some of you out there that are NOT ignorant don't start speaking up and attempting to correct some behavior as it occurs (there is plenty of unacceptable behavior to correct) that will NEVER change, only get worse and become "normal" behavior, unless YOU help let them know you won't stand for it.

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We have a great thing around here to let it be controlled and go South due to these dilwads. Some are just plain don't know and need educated, some are where in the hell did these people come from?

Rick :sick:

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Rusty

09-08-2002, 08:22 AM

Just for the record, I contacted Bill Monroe personally last winter and suggested that he devote a few articles in the Outdoor Section of the Oregonian to educate the public on outdoor etiquette. I suggested articles on drift boat manners, ramp manners, fishing etiquette, etc.

While Bill did respond to the concept of these educational articles, I'm sad to report that not one word was written. (In the distant past he had some great articles on these subjects.)

I know, I know, Bill will probably say that his editors won't let him do this or that. But now that he is a member of Ifish.net, a few words to our members might be better than nothing at all.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bill and look forward to reading most of his limited number of columns in the Oregonian. I just wish the general public could benefit from his, and our, collective knowledge on Outdoor Etiquette.

I'll get off my "high horse" now.

Rusty

crabbait

09-08-2002, 08:22 AM

Hey Mission, are you talking about a specific problem or are you guessing? Did Bill Monroe "out" your spot or are you just seeing a bunch of folks where there were fewer before?

I am sure that talking about good spots on the internet has an effect. I am also sure that observant people watching boat after boat drop out of line with nets waving has an effect. Then you have word of mouth which I am certain has an effect. I am not sure which has the greater impact.

My point is that any time you are being blatantly successful in as public a place as the Columbia you are eventually going to draw a crowd. I do not know that Bill Monroe's presence is much of a variable unless his is publishing specific information in the paper. Did I miss it?

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Fshklr

09-08-2002, 08:27 AM

Would have to agree with crabbbait, Every drift i saw and made, it was clear the CELL PHONES, were glued to the head! When the bite turns on everybody with a flotation device heads to the water. And then they tell 2 people and so on, and so on, and so on.....

ampersat

09-08-2002, 08:36 AM

somehow, i doubt that bill monroe is going to outright quote what someone has posted on the board here in his column. if he does cull some info from the board for his reports, don't you think he's probably been doing it for a while? i don't think it changes anything much now that he's a member.

you're free to word your posts however you like; instead of saying "at this exact spot" you could say "in the general vicinity" or "above X and below z". although you are free to do so, please don't post and just say "i got a fish". the point of the board is to share info. how much info is up to you but out of courtesy to the rest of us, at least note what river or body of water it was in. we share tech tips here, how to rig this or that, and that's great; but the real value of the information shared here is knowing where the runs are at in their progress upstream.

as for idiots on the water, don't assume they all showed up because they read bill's column. some of them can't read. :grin: a lot of times, when the a-holes come out of the woodwork, it's because their buddies tipped 'em off and they're all locals. most idiots won't drive halfway across the state just to come and ruin your day on the river.

but i will agree with you on one thing: bill's column in the paper is a good place to educate the public at large about things like ramp ettiquette, hogline do's and don'ts and the like. however, just because it is written in the paper, don't believe that's going to change anything in real life. idiots are idiots, rude folks will continue to be rude, some things will never change.

after about a year at my job, i typed up this little saying and hung it up in my cube. it has gone a long way towards lowering my blood pressure at critical moments:
"for the majority of people in the majority of cases, it is rocket science"

Straydog

09-08-2002, 08:50 AM

Great post and even better quote ampersat! :cheers:

More 'secrets' are revealed at boat ramps, taverns and tackle shops than anywhere.

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Kinebra

09-08-2002, 09:00 AM

Mission,

I'm sure part of the issue is that all "those" people have left Astoria graemlins/idea.gif . I fished Saturday with a GREAT tide, NO lines at the ramp! No boats on the water! NO GUIDES! and LOTS of FISH...all those people went somewhere and for the typical person that seams to fish B-10 area they fit the description of the ones showing up in "your" spot. So I guess like the fish? the "fishermen" have moved up stream.

I know it's bad when my neighbor with a 27' SeaRay :shocked: asks what part of the Columbia he should fish now that B-10 is over. I've seen this guy back his boat into his :shocked: garage.....WATCH OUT ON THE RAMP!!!!

GutshotApe

09-08-2002, 09:06 AM

Ampersat - You hit on a dirty little secret about Oregonians. A lot of 'em can't read! :grin:

A while back I did a little research. According to a website run by the National Literacy Council (NLC), there are 5 categories of literacy.

At the bottom "can't read or understand a lick except perhaps one word traffic signs" (I'm paraphrasing). The NLC says about 20% of adult Oregonians qualify.

The next category "can read simple phrases but has trouble understanding whole paragraphs" - about 18%.

Taken together, about 38% of Oregonians can't read the fishing regs, can't read Bill Monroe's column, or much of anything else. :depressed:

And then, there are those who can read but don't. :tongue:

The good thing is that most of these people probably don't vote, either. :wink:

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5-Cents

09-08-2002, 09:15 AM

One thing for us all to remember is that the Portland-Vancouver area is not a "small" city any more. There about 2.5M people in the area. It always amazes me when I go fishing during the week how many people are out on the water and not at work! Even if 95% of them are good sports and are willing to take the time to learn proper water ettiquite that small 5% equals a much larger amount of people. :depressed:

Couple the ignorant with record runs of fish that draw them to the water add a pinch of this and a dash of that and your day will be ruined sooner or later. :shocked: Maybe this new boater card you have to get to operate your boat will help but we should all take our time to maybe contribute to posts on this board when we see some crazy stuff going on out there. I know by doing this it will help a few people. I prowled this board for a long time before I joined gleening information from all of you... it helped tremendously.

Unfortunately we will probably never go back to the day when we lived in a small town and we could have our secret spots. Too many people, too much information and too many ways to spread that information almost make it impossible. We all need to do our part now to help/encourage people to do things the right way! :smile:

BigBeanCounter

09-08-2002, 09:17 AM

Hey Gutshot......

Unfortunately, it's not going to get any better with the state cutting the education budget either!! :whazzup: :whazzup:

Wonder if anyone's ever done a study to see what percentage of oregonians can read their beer's label??? :cheers:
Sure seems that most of those that probably can't are the one's out on the river!!!
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Bill Monroe

09-08-2002, 09:33 AM

Good point, GSAPE...When I found out how many of them (none of you, of course) couldn't read, I learned to shoot pictures...Sadly, I still can't do anything about making them take the paper or pay attention to it...

Coupla points. I really appreciated reading all this...Sorry for the lenght of the following...

1. The editors don't tell me yea or nay on almost anything (although they don't like me to get too involved in politics...I couldn't help myself this morning).
Many of them don't know my beat and those who do trust me to cover the news, the issues and the features without (and this is very important) being repetitious. Yes, I have covered etiquette of all kinds, but no, I wouldn't hammer it home several times a year. There are plenty of other things to cover.
It probably is time again though and I'd have done it in the Hammond morning beehive (jeez! there are a lot of diesels out there, including the used one I just bought) if I'd had more time...that's a good idea and one of these mornings I may just sit and watch Memaloose for a while.
2. There are a lot of things to cover here and I get spread pretty thin since Tom McA retired...When we lost the outdoor section (and the editors know how heated I get about that), I began a critter column in homes and gardens out of self defense. It's now the most popular thing I do (clearly not with ifishers, but sadly, there are more of them than you). Many of those readers also read the Sunday column and I've always felt it was healthy for all of us to have the general public realize that hunters and fishers are also the first conservationists. I'll never forget my first reaction to the home and gardens column from a lady who called to compliment it and said "I thought you just kill things..." We do, but not JUST...anyway, there is that audience, too..
3. Finally (yay!), I do get information from this site, but I did before becoming a member, too...I would never, ever reprint anything verbatim from Jennie's site, especially without attribution, and wouldn't take it further without talking with at least one and usually more than one source...witness the elk at sea...Discovery is important, but not nearly as important as reporting and accuracy. I don't deal in rumors (except those I start)...
4. (Whoops)...I have a keen appreciation for the privacy of secret spots, especially those that can't take a lot of pressure. Frankly, I'm usually the last to know...and yes, those cell phones are a good way to spread the word. I've no problem with passing along information about bites at Frenchmen's, or Government Island or other popular places that accommodate high numbers. But I have yet to detail for a million Sunday readers small spots like, say, the cutthroat hole on the Kilchis behind you-know-whose house. Well, intentionally anyway...There are probably exceptions each of you can remember, but I try not to...

Thanks again for all the advice. I really do listen and learn. We all should.

TheRogue

09-08-2002, 11:03 AM

Bill......loved your piece in the Sports section this morning, right on the money (although I think Keiko would be better off as hamburger :grin: :grin: .

Keep up the good work!!!

As for fishing....I will always post any pictures, with Exact Location, exactly what I used, tides, etc. UNLESS someone invites me along, and doesn't want me to, which I respect COMPLETELY.

The only way to keep support for fishing high across the general population is to keep as many successfully involved as possible!!! If you're a person who's decided that the Columbia River is all your own between Bonneville and Kalama, well, try thinking a little bigger?? How many boats can anchor in the Frenchman bar stretch, when people know what they're doing?? 100's!! Take the time to teach, assist, advise these idiots....when they don't listen or pay attention, then run them off!!!

Many people on this board were idiots once too.

TR

Stew

09-08-2002, 11:54 AM

Mark, Rick and others all I can say is it's just going to get worse! With the proposed closings of the North Coast hatcheries the Columbia and Willamette fisheries will bear the brunt of the pressure! Once the hatchery winter and summer steelhead, fall and spring salmon disappear you can bet that the Columbia system is going to be overloaded and the Columbia spring Chinook season will be curtailed if not closed all together.
It may sound like doom and gloom but with those hatchery fish no longer available people will go elsewhere. It's going to be a domino effect.
Just a little reality....sorry :depressed:

k9jeff

09-08-2002, 11:58 AM

I watched a hog line last week get hot (everyone but me) and few cell phone calls were made.

The line grew from 5 boats to 15 in no time. Also look at the amount of people using Nextel phones.

Then a nice relaxing afternoon turned into combat fishing. The folks next to me could only talk about how to fish with extra rods and get away with it, how much beer it took to start a fight, and how the stupid cops never catch them (I kinda had fun with that one). :shocked:

I dont think by posting your location to ppl on the board, that it is getting crowded. ITs crowded anyway, between the papers, fishing and hunting news, the town crier, village idiot, ETC...lots of people know the nookies are in the river, and everyone wants a shot at it.

A hard rain will make most of em go home... :wink:

Tacklebuster

09-08-2002, 01:25 PM

I have noticed this in March sturgeon fishing. I remember getting to the ramp mid morning during a hot bite in sturgeon land outside of the Portland area and not having a place to park. This used to never happen. It seems that more and more people are filling the ranks and a lot of them are clueless when it comes to anything involved in fishing. I remember actually joining a hog line sturgeon fishing last year :hoboy:

My personal opinion is people should only use the information gathered off this board for personal use only. I am a firm believer in give and take. You post some info that helps people out and you take some that helps you out. It shouldn't be for free. I will post my results and general area on this board to help people out that has helped me in the past. I wouldn't however share the same info with the guy I meet at the tackle store or to make small talk with the guy down the street.

See ya on the river........

WheresMyBobber

09-08-2002, 02:37 PM

Anybody who's fished the OC area for any length of time saw the same thing happen there this spring. More people than I've ever seen in the years I've fished there, as well as people anchoring all over the place with no clue as to the effect they're having on other fishermen.

It used to be that there were established hoglines in the same place every year, and the rest of the areas were used by back trollers and backbouncers. This year was a free for all. :rolleyes:

Was there any correlation between the increase in people along with poor etiquette and the posts such as "OC is HOT", "Live Report from the Garbage Hole" and other smilar posts? Impossible to prove either way, but there is no doubt in my mind that the answer is yes.

Jennie@ifish

09-08-2002, 02:47 PM

Interesting though...
How many of the people do you see at these holes do you also see at ODFW and other meetings to assure them that they HAVE a fishery?
Let's just take a wild guess that 1/4 of the people out there do support their fisheries by becoming involved.

1/4 of 10 is 2.5....

1/4 of 1000 is 250.

I vote for getting the word out. I believe in keeping our rivers and fisheries a popular sport.

Jen

EDIT: Had to edit my dang math. :depressed:

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Fishin Magician

09-08-2002, 02:53 PM

Amen Mark......

WaterDog

09-08-2002, 03:15 PM

It does seem things get crowded as "hot" reports hit the board. However, I only report my success or failure :rolleyes: on areas that I feel can handle the pressure. I give reports when I fish the Columbia. Another 10, 20, 100 boats isnt going to make a difference on the river. The ramps maybe, but I figure if isnt like Hammond during B10, no biggie.

I'll admit there are a couple of places that I rarely report on for fear of crowds. If I do report, it's vague and yeah, I dont tell where exactly where I'm at. If someone takes the time to email me I'll generally help them out but it depends on who it is before I'll reveal a location. :tongue:

I think cell phones are a major culprit. Someone mentioned having a hot bite in a small line and then a call went out and the line swelled. Have seen that myself.

It's crowded out there and it will only get worse. As long as everyone is on the same page it can still be fun.

:cheers:

Jennie@ifish

09-08-2002, 04:56 PM

I had secret places too... Well, that is before I put a big stupid IFISH decal on the back of my truck! :smile: :smile:

Jen

STGRule

09-08-2002, 05:09 PM

Sitting in the hogline this morning, my husband had the immediate fishing reports from the mouth of the Kalama to Coverts thanks to all the Nextels in the line. :depressed:

biederboat

09-08-2002, 05:29 PM

I personally haven't found the information on ifish useful for getting me to a hot bite. I don't think a bite lasts long enough for anyone to react quickly enough to take advantage of it. If people are reacting to that, a few experiences will teach them otherwise. It is a little more useful to me in terms of learning new techniques and areas to fish and perhaps to learn "when the fish are in" at the start of a season. Mostly, I just find it entertaining! The haunted room, what to do with my tule, and the elk at sea are excellent cases in point.

Now, will someone answer my post about smoked salmon chowder I'm going to add right now!

Thanks,
Biederboat

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Get Bent

09-08-2002, 05:47 PM

Have the Columbia and Willamette Rivers turned into zipperlips? Guess so.

Hearsay is still the #1 method of getting recent fishing reports. You wouldn't believe how many people that I talk to on the rivers of Oregon and Washington have never heard of iFish, as they just figured out how to forward joke emails and virus warnings to all of their friends last week.

The biggest driver to the number of boats out there right now is not iFish or any other website, nor is it a column in the local newspaper. It's the fact that over 400,000 chinook salmon are going up the Columbia this fall, and EVERYONE knows it.

09-08-2002, 05:49 PM

If you can't handle the pressure at the ramp, or the pressure on big water.. Find a new sport

I can understand on small streams where fishing space and fish are limited, but on the columbia anyone and everyone can see you. I will gladly report where im catching fish. I love fishing and I want others to be sucsessful and grow to enjoy the hobby as much as I do.

Dustin

Hawaiian Time

09-08-2002, 06:07 PM

I personally became interested in this site because of the information that was being shared about the current fishing activities. Now if we all take the attitude that we will not share any information about where we know fishing to be hot, then what we end up with, is a site with a bunch of fish stories and pictures posted. I will continue to post my fishing reports, unless of course, nobody is interested.

GutshotApe

09-08-2002, 06:31 PM

HT - I'm interested.

Chris Nordling

09-08-2002, 09:07 PM

I hear ya Mission. AMEN ! It always amazes me the way some people can anchor. Or cannot anchor I should say.

I was also low holed a ton this year drifting several different rivers. :mad: Getting used to it, but not putting up with it. graemlins/icon_argue.gif I believe in educating, even those that may not want to listen.

"If ya gotta use bumpers pal, you're too close to me" :wink: ( My favorite anchor fishing quote)

Especially true on the Columbia. Passable on the Willamette,only because it's been the norm for as long as I can remember.
Why do salmon ( and lots of them)make people do stupid stuff ? It's like they're ( the people) in a fog......

Chris :cool:

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Take Down

09-08-2002, 09:28 PM

I have a feeling Mission is talking about the ramp that he and I both use to fish the Columbia. Its an absolute joke full of ignorant and in many cases downright discourteous boaters. Many times it takes over an hour to take out when it should take less than 15 minutes. By the way FM, I'm the guy who owns the white northriver and my buddy is the red haired guy that had a few choice things to say to the discourteous boaters at the ramp last weekend. :grin: I think a boater training and etiquette course should be mandatory before allowing someone to own a boat. Unfortunately, that won't teach courtesy. :mad: Whew, thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

Lepper

09-08-2002, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by FSHKLR:
Would have to agree with crabbbait, Every drift i saw and made, it was clear the CELL PHONES, were glued to the head! When the bite turns on everybody with a flotation device heads to the water. And then they tell 2 people and so on, and so on, and so on.....<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I just have to comment on the cell phones.... the only time we caught a fish was when the cell phone was ringing and answered!!
dave

09-08-2002, 10:36 PM

This site is for helpfull information concerning fishing and fishery managment....
not for you to come on, post your fish pictures and brag. When asked where you are its a "secret"
Good luck anyone new who would like to enjoy this wounderful hobby
With the attitude some have you might as well call the odfw hotline for a report :rolleyes:

Lured In

09-09-2002, 01:05 AM

FM...I couldn't agree more with the wacko's on the river seemingly coming out of the woodwork. This year in particular, I believe, has folks searching for fish. Frenchman's has been consistently better than any other area I have heard from this board, ODFW, guides and other friends who fish the river. I myself was stumped by the poor success in some of my usual haunts and gave it a look see too.

A little note though, FWF1 and I made a little jaunt out into my back yard (Gov't Island) on Friday. At 930am there were close to 200 (yes you read that right and it may have been more) boats off the mouth of the Sandy. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: In the 5 years I have been fishing between 205 and Reed Island, I have NEVER seen that many boats there, even on a weekend. One of my friends mentioned that he saw a write up in the latest 'Fishing and Hunting News (Lies)' and it apparently (I cancelled my subscription several months ago) mentioned the mouth of the Sandy, Frenchman's and the mouth of the Lewis among others. Perhaps that is a greater influence on where people are fishing than reporting here on ifish. (Lord help us if people are ACTUALLY taking the advice offered in that magazine! :hoboy: )

I for one, have appreciated your posts and reports and hope you will continue to share your experiences. Do what you must to keep your sanity though. (that little ramp just about sent me to the looney bin too. :shocked: :rolleyes: ).

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Firedog

09-09-2002, 06:29 AM

I dont' know if it is the internet or the newspapaer or the TV news but the last couple of years have been terrible out on the river as far as crowds go. Like has been mentioned before celll phones don't help keep the crowds down at all either.

I don't post reports anymore, haven't for awhile. Sorry if people feel this is selfish but I like to catch fish and have it be fairly peachful. I dont care for elbow to elbow or boat to boat fishing. I fish a couple spots that are that way just because I have for years and know the regulars. But when you get into a spot that gets a bunch of doughballs that don't know what they are doing it is more frustrating than it is worth. I know someone is going to say teach them how then. It isn't my job to teach them how, if they want to learn sit back and watch and fish on the edges of the crowd not in the middle where it takes a knowing what your doing to get along. That goes for on the bank and in the boats.

If you want to know a spot get out and do the leg work to find them. A lot of us have spent a lot of time on the water learning the areas and which spots are the best during what water heights and so on. Why should we give them up to just anyone. I keep hearing that we have to show all the newbies where and how to fish. Go fishng and practice and ahve some common sense and now your skills, if you arent that good at bobber fishing or anchoring or whatever it is that day. DON"T GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CROWD AND TRY. Don't get me worng if you come up to me on the river and ask a question about how to rig something or tech. I will help. Just wont tell you how many fish I have or where I have been catching them unless I know you well.

Most guys that fish a lot don't need a report anyway they know when and where for the most part that the fish will be around the rest is just bragging.

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Sturgeon 42

09-09-2002, 06:49 AM

I just go above everyone and anchor in the same line the fish go and catch 10 since Thursday, I will post later what and where my wife and myself fished and depth and lures. A great vacation last week.... :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Straydog

09-09-2002, 07:06 AM

Man, this thread just helps remind me why I am sssssoooooo blessed to live down in God's land........... on several levels. :rolleyes:

Much smaller crowds down here and the only hog lines I know of is one at the mouth of the Rogue and one at JJ North's buffet. :grin: :grin:

A couple of things to remember though.... this is the second of record or near record runs of fish in a row. We had the first summer Salmon season on the Columbia in some thirty years. I have been told most boat manufacturers are scrambling to keep up and I can attest that the camping, marine and fishing tackle business has been the best I have seen in over 25 years in the industry.

Bottom line is, the great fish returns have drawn more people into our sport as well as returned many that had left our sport.

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TheRogue

09-09-2002, 07:40 AM

Amazing, isn't it, Straydog??? Our economy is in the pits, yet every boat builder I've talked to is going nuts trying to keep up!! I understand ThunderJet has added another shift to their production.

Tells you how important fishing, boating, and general recreation are to people in the NW.

TR

CATCH AND EAT

09-09-2002, 08:48 AM

Wow!!!! Lots of frustration out there. No wonder I like fishing the ocean better. Just a little more room out there.

Mark, certainly I do share your frustrations. Especially during the springer season when folks crowd in and stake a claim. More than a little frustrating for sure.

400,000 fish will make anyone crazy. Especially with the size of the fish. Communication of the internet and cell phone don't make for secret spots any longer. Kind of a bummer and blessing too.

Personally Mark, I appreciate the information you post on this board. You too Rick. Hate to see your insight fall by the wayside. Hope you keep posting pictures and pictures of lures.

I appreciate the time you took with me to show me a thing or two on our trip. Learned a little and got some great cookies. The "Mothers" load. Wish we could have caught a fish that day. Must of been that Keta smell that put the fish off the bite. :grin: :wink: That and we had not bananas on the boat.

Steelie Steve

09-09-2002, 08:59 AM

Mark,
I understand the frustration. Too many fish, too many people, too little time.

I don't really think that this or any other BB on the web has much to do with the crowds on the Columbia though. I travel across the I205 bridge every morning on the way to work. For at least the last two weeks or more, there have been 50 to a hundred boats anchored in hoglines along the north side of the island every morning by 6 to 6:30am. I have heard little to no report of success in this area on the web (this board or any other that I read).

Word of mouth spreads fast.

I always look forward to reading (and seeing the photos) your posts along with Rick's. I need to know that someone is catching the fish. I only get to fish one day a week usually, so catching for me is limited. I live vicariously through those that have been catching....

Hang in there man. Let's go fishin'.

Steve :cheers:

OldRedSled

09-09-2002, 10:27 AM

FM,
i think your really off base here :hoboy:

What did you expect to happen with announcing your sucess on this INTERNET post board. I mean it not like the ENTIRE WORLD can't easily access this location and see what you have read. I understand the need to beat ones chest and gloat after a suscessful day of fishing, and Ifish provides such a forum. But how can you expect the rest of us not to try and tease out the location. Heck, i Knew where you where when you posted those pictures online. Where elese do the ships park like that in the columbia!?

mabie it was, and is, a little nieave of you to assume that POSTED spots would not be fished by Anyone with access to a computer.

So if you really want to get secret not only will you have to change your name on your boat, edit your pictures, you will also have to proably quit talking about fish you caught on this board all together, quit taking friends out with you, and sink all other boats that may happen to be there when you catch fish.

My point is a return to previous discussions on this board. WHere are the secret spots? There are none!!! with 2million salmon tag holding anglers with possible access to the river, there are no more secret spots on the columbia, or anywhere elese for that matter. Cell phones, email, Newpaper colums, "hot tips" from friends or tackel store clerks. It will take me about 10 minutes to find out where the "hot spot" is. You may be there and you may think that people have discovered your coveted "HOT SPOT", but really man are you really telling me that you are the only fisherman who knows about that location? Ever take friends there? Ever see just ONE other boat there? Its a old river and allot of people have been fishing it before you came around, so concentrate on technique and remeber we all had grandfathers telling us about this hot spot since we were kids.

AND JUST A FYI, i was called by a buddy of mine who had been knockin um dead on frenchmans long before i read your post. I did decide to show up after your post confirmed my allready recieved tip.

just my two cents.

ORS graemlins/program.gif

FishinMission

09-09-2002, 11:26 AM

First off....You all need to know this wasn't meant as an attack on Bill Monroe. Sorry Bill.

Secondly...for those of you who think the information pipeline will close... you didn't read my original post very well...I suggest you re-read it.

I realize that I can't stop the "hot scoop" pipeline.

But........I can certainly do MY part, and shouldn't be looked down upon because of my opinion.

I'm off to the river....Na na na na naaaaaaaaaa.

Mark

Sturgeon 42

09-09-2002, 11:31 AM

Where ya going Fishin Mission?????? :grin: :grin: :grin:

k9jeff

09-09-2002, 02:51 PM

lol!!!!!

papa bear

09-09-2002, 03:08 PM

I dunno if anybody mentioned this -- but it's my understanding that you own the copyright on anything you say here -- or in email. So a reporter, or for that matter anyone else, would have the LEGAL obligation to get your permission to quote you, even from a one-on-one e-conversation. This has raised questions because of the ease of forwarding or cut-and-paste. All the answers I've heard have been that, yes, permission is still required.

:cool:

Bill Monroe

09-09-2002, 06:46 PM

Well, first of all Mark, no offense taken fergodsake...if I got easily offended, Id've been driving a truck a long time ago...
And I'm no lawyer, but there are certain things you have to do to copyright something and I think they're still trying to sort all the email and internet mess out. At any rate, I wouldn't quote anything verbatim from here regardless because as you might guess, I wouldn't be able to defend its accuracy...and I like my job enough to not want to drive a truck other than my pickup...
And hey...I enjoy give and take...the paper is as much yours and other readers' as it is mine...
Actually, you guys (pardon me, folks) have been a lot easier than I anticipated...I'll call Erickson and figure out something to stir up...
thanks again all

Jerry Dove

09-09-2002, 10:06 PM

OK< OK> tillamook Bay is starting to go!! Lets all go fish the bay and let Gov. No Fish know that we like hatchery fish. Also let him know that if he closes hatchries, we will no longer fish tillamook Area. Oh well he probally dose not care anyway. They say we will have a lot of 60lb. fish this year in the Tillamook system. I hope to catch at least one 62lber. One little drop of rain and look out. See all Sat. at whiskey Creek Fishing day for kids with disabilities, and then the ifish party at Kilches. Jerry

CATCH AND EAT

09-10-2002, 08:17 AM

Hey Bill, Mark drives a truck and he is proud of it. :shocked: :wink: I guess if he were thin skinned he'd write for the Oregonian! :grin: :grin: :wink:

I think we understand where everyone is coming from. Now go to your boats and bank spots and fish. No offense float tubers. :cheers:

Bill Monroe

09-10-2002, 10:45 AM

Apologies to Mark and other truckers...I have good friends who do that and I don't know how they put up with all the garbage from us four-wheelers...Truck driving simply isn't something I want to do for a living, but I surely admire those who do...sorryaboutthat...gonna go home now and blow up (not explode) my float tube.

FishinMission

09-10-2002, 04:29 PM

Old Red Sled...You're sorta right....I didn't post the pic with the ships in the background tho....someone else did.

And you know what???....I was there when it all started too....In fact...(Sorry Bill) it'd been hot for about a week and a half before it appeared in the Oregonian.

I'm fortunate that I can go find "other" water that's sparsely populated with fishermen, that will produce fish. I don't have to read about it here, or anywhere else to have to know where to go, or how to find a spot.

The stupid fact of it all...is those fish have to swim from point "A" to point "B".....and can be caught anywhere in the middle.

Sorry folks..but the crowds have done fed me up.

But I still love Ifish!!

:grin:

Mark

NEUTRON

09-10-2002, 07:09 PM

Good post FM, continued peaceful success to you.

SureSet

09-10-2002, 08:44 PM

FM,

I agree with your position. I think you voiced a feeling that many people on this board have been dealing with. I have noticed the shrinking reports and techniques. For me it's not the 3,000+ ifish members I have a problem sharing information with, for most, if they have taken the time to join, they most likely are genuinely interested. It's the other X,000 visitors many of which really don't share a deep appreciation for the sport, but rather suck information (usually not all they need) and contribute to the clueless crowds. "Get an alvin and go to FMBar", "anchor etiquette, we don't need no stinkin' etiquette". Sure there has always been that element, but I agree that it seems to have gotten worse and the internet (not just ifish) certainly has contributed in my book.

Ifish has a wealth of information that can be used by anyone to get a very good start at the sport. Most of the people I've met from the board are honest, reasonable and down right good people who will tell you anything if you ask. On the other hand, had some of these same people known what they were ultimately contributing to in the last two years, they might not have been so forthcoming.

SureSet

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Pete

09-10-2002, 09:02 PM

Just as a point of clarification on numbers. Ifish has about 2700 registered members. There aren't many days when more than 3000 people visit the site.

tag-a-long

09-10-2002, 09:05 PM

I was gonna throw my 2 cents oin there somewhere, but just plain forgot where the heck I was...

This indeed shows that there are so many varying positions on alot of subjects here. Its nice to see that everyone can voice theirs and nobody really gets pi$$ :cheers: ed and flies off... Nice job everyone!

Nanook

09-10-2002, 09:19 PM

Perfect SureSet. You are a gentleman and a great fisherman. See you out there.

Rick http://www.ifish.net/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

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cosmo

09-11-2002, 12:42 AM

Fishin Mission-
For what it's worth--I think your're right on the money. There are very, very many places that can produce a good bite for ten boats, or a garbage experience for twenty.
Over the last few weeks, I have seen a half dozen names of locations pop up that truly don't need to be here. And no, it's not a greed thing, just simple reality--every spot has limits. Thank you to Bill Monroe for filtering out some of those places from your writings.

In the coming weeks there will be fish virtually everywhere. Picking a spot an investing the time into learning its nuances will produce far more bites than chasing every niche bite that's out there.

fishbait

09-11-2002, 06:34 AM

Refrained from adding to this post till now. Mark, I hear ya on the crowds, thats why I seldom fish weekends any more, it took over 15 years and lots of hard work to make that possible, but well worth it. I for one seldom post current information about where I am fishing for all the reasons stated above. I will share knowledge about most everything else. It used to bother me a little as I felt I was helping my competation, but I have to remember that this world is round.

As for zipperlip's, someone earlier said they did not exist anymore, HA..... you just have to be advenerous and think outside the box. We put 5 fish in my biddies boat last week and probably had 2-4 boats within 500 yards of us. He punched out his boat on wens and there was only 1 other boat. For me it's simple, you just figure out what the other 98% are doing and you go do something else. It was about 1982 or so and I was fishing a favorate brushline in tidewater, a guy came buy, dropped his hook and proceeded to catch a few fish. Then someone he knew asked him if he could anchor next to him. His reply was " just remember it's not where you are it's who you are". I thought ... that arrogant as$&o!e.., but a few years later, I learned he was right. A good fisherman can catch fish wherever he or she is because the knowledge and experience will allow him to adapt. There is nothing magical about Frenchmans that doesn't exist 500 other places on the Columbia and ya know what, 200 don't have more than 2 boats fishing them and 100 are empty most of the time. It's jsut that a majority of the people don't have the confidance to go it alone. IF you don't like the crowds, then go find the least used ramp and then find a productive spot close to that ramp. For some of you highliners, I bet it wouldnt take more than 2-3 trips to get dialed in again. And then if you want solitude, don't tell anyone. I still have places that I fish that I only fish with the same one or two people, do not even discuss or mention it with anyone else, ever, no exceptions. And for over 20 years I still seldome see anyone else when I fish there. In fact, I've got quite a few of these spots. Just don't tell..........Ok enough, and as for doughballs at the ramp..... cheap entertainment, and just remember, it could be worse, you could be fishing with them...... Hope you all catch lots of fish, fill your tags and your freezers, wear out your elbows and spend October recovering........................

Sturgeon 42

09-11-2002, 06:53 AM

I have seen my favorite spots become zoo"s but just go above everyone and when they come up there I go farther up and still catch fish, as for the dock I have seen everything, and as for telling secrets just ask and you shall recieve even on the Internet..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

FishinMission

09-12-2002, 01:09 PM

You can be a sheep and "follow"...with limited success..or you can be innovative and attentive and be much more successful.

Steve...well said.

Old Red Sled....In response to your post, and since you directed at me personally...anything you have to say to me goes to the bottom of the river, just like your anchor did that day you flew by my boatload traveling at warp speed.

What's it like to drop your anchor at 30-35 mph??? :shocked: :shocked: graemlins/stupid.gif How about a How-To topic on "SPEED ANCHORING???
Since when are YOU the expert here on fishing???...Seems to me YOU couldn't catch a springer, while we were were doing 3,4,5 a day!! I'd rather beat on my chest, than get my rear kicked. Sheesh!!

My biggest beef with those that are whining about "information witholding"...is they really don't contribute much content other than "whining" when someone voices their opinions.

Kinda reminds me of what happens when you take that baby's blanket away.

Give the kids here a blanket to keep 'em from crying???? Naw....been too nice... too long.

:mad:

Mark

Chacal

09-12-2002, 01:27 PM

All I want to say is that the information on this board has made me a safer boater -- if not a better fisherman (7 days one fish).

So while barking about whether or not to share information, all I have to say is that yes, there will be more people around and it will be a zoo -- but where would you be if someone didn't share information with you when you were new? :wink:

To each their own.

I personally will share information -- when I have some to share! graemlins/eek13.gif

Chacal

Sturgeon 42

09-12-2002, 01:27 PM

FishinMission Chill.....Jeeeshhhhhhh..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Nanook

09-12-2002, 02:12 PM

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Red

09-12-2002, 02:22 PM

MOMMA, THE BOYS UR FIGHTIN AGIN graemlins/icon_argue.gif
****** you're killin me with those animations. :grin: :grin:

CATCH AND EAT

09-12-2002, 02:25 PM

Okay, I'm going to share Neutron's favorite fishin spot. On saturday walk out to the truck, start it, go back inside the house for the bait. Get distracted by Bill Dance outdoors and comfy recliner. Sit down while truck warms up. Hold clicker firmly in hand. Proceed to fall asleep.

GPS coordinates available upon request. :grin: :grin:

Jennie@ifish

09-12-2002, 02:33 PM

DON'T FISH NEXT TO FISHIN MISSION!
He'll Bite cha! :smile: :smile:

NO! I have an idea!!! Let's play a game like Where's Waldo!!!

Whoever can find Fishin Mission on the river and report it gets a prize!

It's called, "Where on the water is Fishin Mission?

I'm just kidding, FM, I hope you don't take this seriously!
:smile: :smile:

Ohhhhhhhhhhh I'm bad!

Jen

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Stew

09-12-2002, 02:33 PM

Ya know, if people would use as much energy trying to help the current hatchery crisis we have over here in Oregon, as they do attacking others then maybe we could at last make some progress.
I'm not singling anyone out but Geez we are facing what has to be the most serious threat to our angling rights in years! How about any of you that have enjoyed the Tillamook area salmon and steelhead fisheries over the years calling the governor at 1-503-378-3111 and telling them you don't want to see our hatcheries closed.
Your help is needed!

Miss B Haven

09-12-2002, 02:44 PM

OK, TIme for A Laugh - Read and practice this:

> > > How To Keep A Healthy Level Of Insanity

1. At lunch time, sit in your parked car with sunglasses on and point a
hair dryer at passing cars. See if they slow down.

2. Page yourself over the intercom. Don't disguise your voice.

3. Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that.

4. Put your garbage can on your desk and label it "in"

5. Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has gotten
over their caffeine addictions, switch to espresso.

6. In the memo field of all your checks, write "for sexual favors".

7. Finish all your sentences with "in accordance with the prophecy."

8. Don't use any punctuation marks

9. As often as possible, skip rather than walk.

10. Ask people what sex they are. Laugh hysterically after they answer.

11. Specify that your drive-through order is "to go".

12. Sing along at the opera.

13. Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme.

14. Put mosquito netting around your work area. Play a tape of jungle
sounds all day.

15. Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party
because you're not in the mood.

16. Have your coworkers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard Kim.

17. When the money comes out the ATM, scream "I won!", "I won!" "3rd time this week!!!!!"

18. When leaving the zoo, start running towards the parking lot, yelling
"run for your lives, they're loose!!"

19. Tell your children over dinner. "due to the economy, we are going to
have to let one of you go."

And the final way to keep a healthy level of insanity.......

20. Send this to everyone in you know, even if they sent it to you or asked you not to send them stuff like this.

:grin: :grin: :grin: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Chris Nordling

09-12-2002, 02:48 PM

ORS, relax man...... You're way off base here..

Chris :cool:

Jennie@ifish

09-12-2002, 02:50 PM

Mel,
I seldom laugh out loud, even when e mail things are really funny.
I usually just chuckle inside.
THIS ONE HAD ME LAUGHING OUT LOUD!

You win you win!

I'm going to my ATM now!

Jen

Red

09-12-2002, 02:57 PM

Miss B. thanks for the laughs.... :grin: :grin: :grin:

Jen, did you hear me yellin? :blush: :whazzup: :blush:

poshie

09-12-2002, 03:07 PM

******....
Are those graphics freebies or do they cost you moolah...

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Sturgeon 42

09-12-2002, 03:10 PM

Good one Jen..... :grin: :grin: :grin:

Jennie@ifish

09-12-2002, 03:13 PM

Maybe you think so, Sturg... But I've yet to hear from the Mission.

I'm scared. Shall I run?
Jen

Pete

09-12-2002, 03:14 PM

melthankyouthatreallygotmygigglesgoing
itisalwaysimportanttorememberthehumor
likejustnowiwascallinggovernorkitzhabers
officeandsinceicalledearlierijusthittheredial
onmyphonebutiforgotthatihadcalledsomeone
elseintheinterimandleftamessagebutwhenthe
phonerangthistimeitwastherealpersonand
wheniaskedisthisthegovernorsofficeshewas
surprisedandhumorouslysaidyesifyouwant
ittobe!

Jennie@ifish

09-12-2002, 03:17 PM

That's Rock Hard Kim, to you, Pete.

Jennie@ifish

09-12-2002, 03:18 PM

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! THE IFISHERS ARE LOOSE!
I'm losing it...
:hoboy:

Stew

09-12-2002, 03:35 PM

Thanks for the chuckle Miss B. :cheers:

M W Sheller

09-12-2002, 04:08 PM

iwasgonnawritehowimportantitwastokeepthehotspotsse cretbuticouldnotquitlaughing :cheers: :grin: :cheers: graemlins/lurk.gif :cheers:

CATCH AND EAT

09-12-2002, 04:20 PM

Dear Shane,

Please post that Kitzhaber phone number on each and every thread on i-fish. Obviously the message is not getting to everyone.

Make sure you tell the caller to be polite and to the point.

I personally appreciate your efforts and the phone number to the nice lady in Governor Greenjeans office. (note: be sure to refer to him in the phone call as Governor Kitzhaber to show a little respect). she was very pleasant to talk to and seemed appreciative of my call.

Thanks again Shane,

Bernie Buckle :grin:

FishinMission

09-12-2002, 04:30 PM

I think you'd have a better shot with Ditzy Kitzy if he was running for re-election. Personally...I don't think he cares.

The hatchery situation, as important as it is to all of us, is only ONE of the many things that need attention here in OREGONE. Hate to say it, but we're already in the toilet.

Chacal.....There were no internet bulletin boards around when I was learning. I learned things by being observant, trying things on my own, exploring, and most of all..putting in many many hours. There's no substitute for "time on the water". My point is.....That if someone took the time to actually try new things instead of following the pack, they'd be better in the long run.

Here's a classic example of what I'm talking about. Yesterday....I had two friends in from out of town. Frenchman's has been dead (No.. I didn't read it here...saw it myself). I opted for the Washougal area. Lots of boats anchored there...none floating out with fish. My first tactic...TROLLING...why?? Because I've caught fish in prior times doing just that. Couple hours of that...nada. O.K. Now what?? 100 boats...chances are there's 100 wobblers wobblin' 4-6 feet off the bottom. So I decide to anchor fish...Hey...let's try SPINNERS!! Guess what?? After about 30 minutes...rod folds (Flash GLo) missed hookset. Another hour goes by...still no action from the other boats, or mine either.
So...we tried something I've never done before...something way out there in left field.
Backtrolling #7 spinners behind a magnum planer. Seriously?? Uh huh. Hate to say it....but I really enjoy putting fish in the boat (yeah..it was only a steelhead..maybe 10-12, but it was clipped) when theres a hundred boats around that have been sitting there all day for nothing. If anyone here from the board was out there..you may have seen us. Oh no...I just gave out some more tech tips..oops!!

Some people here on the board actually learn things here, some don't. After being here for about 2 years now, I see some of the same people (no names) still asking the same questions 2 years in a row. :rolleyes:

Follow???? or Lead??

Jen...for about $150 bucks at the local automotive finish retailer, and a labor intensive weekend, very very few people would recognize the Mission boat, at least from a distance.
Believe me...I been kicking that thought around.

:wink:

Mark

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