Tuf line or Mono for fall nookies? [Archive]

Wally02

08-21-2002, 06:20 PM

Hello all
I am new to the board. I fish alot in Southwest Washington. Just moved to Salem OR , and am excited about new explorations and rivers.

I will be fishing tidewater for the first time and was thinking of rigging my 8' loomis heavy action (30# line max) with 50 # tuf line and 30 # ultra green leaders for the "circus holes" ( bobber fishing)
Any recommendations, color of tuf line ?

Pete

08-21-2002, 06:31 PM

Hey, welcome! Tried to sneak in, eh? :wink:

For bobber fishing, I really prefer mono. I find that tuff line, because it is so supple, tends to be hard to control. Mono lifts off the water more easily for mending and it slides through a bobber more easily, if you're using a sliding bobber with a stop.

.... so, tell us a story about fishing in SW Washington! We're all ears!

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TheRogue

08-21-2002, 06:40 PM

Something else to consider is where you're fishing. I was crowded off the point at Pacific City two different days....and it was obvious both times that "they" had a serious problem with my 80lb Tuf Line. Something about super braid slicing mono like butter if it got tangled (of course, they could pull out of the water for 12 seconds or so to allow you to land the fish :wink: :wink: ).

The next time I was spooled with 40lb Maxima, and armed with wax to make it float....no-one seemed to have a problem with that.

That being said, I prefer 80lb Tuf....it floats, and it's big enough that it doesn't dig into the spool like the smaller stuff does; as well as having a tad bit of stiffness to it.

My 0.02

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crabbait

08-21-2002, 06:48 PM

Welcome aboard, Wally02.

How can I say this..........Pete, you have got to be kidding! Tuf line was made for bobber fishing! With just a little practice you can cast Tuf as well as mono and I find that the backlashes I get with it are much smaller and easier to get out than with mono.

Tuf line floats so it is always laying on top of the water, even without Mucilin. My bobber stops stay where I put it and last for days. Hook sets are absolutely positive and you can move a fish out of the brush when you need to because the line does not stretch. I can't imagine using anything else for bobber fishing.

Same goes for salmon trolling. The hook set is solid and I can feel every head shake. I have never had a fish break my mainline since going to Tuf line.

I run nothing but Tuf line for all salmon fishing. I use 50lb Tuf, the white line with the black added thread. I believe the black is Dacron. It adds to the abrasion resistance and keeps the line from breaking when it goes from slack to tight in a hurry. I'm never going back to mono.

One other thing, Tuf line will slice through the heaviest mono just like it was butter. Sure is nice to have that going for you during crowded fishing conditions like B-10 when fighting a big fish! They have problems with that at PC? Then they have a problem........

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Salmonator

08-21-2002, 06:50 PM

Crabbait, I thought Pete was pulling our leg too. I made due with mono for a long time. Now I use 80lb tuff and would hate to use anything else.

Pete

08-21-2002, 06:59 PM

:grin: Backlashes, CB? I don't know about those. You'll have to teach me how to make those. All my salmon reels are spooled with Tuf. I certainly prefer the more direct contact with a fish, but I still think there are times when I'd prefer stiff mono. Maybe I need more bobber-ducation.

crabbait

08-21-2002, 07:05 PM

Ok, ok, the backlashes that I see are easier to get out. Of course, never on my reel. :grin:

Lund

08-21-2002, 07:06 PM

you'll be making a huge mistake if you go with 50lb. It will cut into your spool the first time a big fish runs and POW!!! Ive fished all of them above a bobber for 8 years and process of elimination has it to one line for bobber fishing.....

80lb power pro is about the best.

dont believe that you'll find any dispute from good bobber fshermen here on that one.

crabbait

08-21-2002, 07:34 PM

lund - I have been fishing 50lb Tuf since the first year it came out and have never had a problem with the line burying in the spool. I have taken many fish over 40lbs with it, including the one I posted pictures of earlier this week.

No matter which weight of the super-lines you use you must spool it on tight.

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Ok, here it is again in case you missed it.

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elkn

08-21-2002, 07:38 PM

crabbait, I agree ,the first time I put on tuff line I had a mess/./

Stz ll

08-21-2002, 08:02 PM

The thing about Tuff Line is it floats and mono sinks. If bobber fishing Tuff Line should be the only choice. You can mend it like a fly line. Try doing that with mono! Also backlashes are much easier to get out of Tuff Line. The knot will almost fall out if all preasure is taken off it.

Lund

08-21-2002, 08:33 PM

try that 50lbtuf when fighting 50lb fish on a bobber in tidwater with a few loggs and other boats close by, you'll change to 80 or you'll be putting more line on.

not only is 80 stronger but it is also alot easier on your guides than 50 when a fish takes a quick run.

Get Bit

08-21-2002, 09:05 PM

I'm with Lund.(Pee Wee or Kevin ? ) 80 pound and 50-60lb leaders. Use the biggest hook thats legal. In crowded conditions you can have a fish netted in very little time. This setup also enables you to put your thumb down and cross eyeballs if a fish heads for a snag.

Get Bit

Big Dog

08-21-2002, 09:21 PM

I switched last year to Tuff line and wont go back to mono. I can fell so much more of the fish. You don't get all the stretch that mono does. It just seems to be an all around better line at least for me.

fishbait

08-21-2002, 09:22 PM

Hey Get Bit, you can fish in my boat anytime..... This is my 25th year in Tidewater, and I would never go back to mono, wish I had tuff line for all those years. I use 80 and 50 or 40 leader, this year with all the big fish, it will be 50 or 60 leader. I have very few of my salmon reels spooled with mono, and those that are usually stay at home. Sure the first few years it may take some practice to cast it, but after a few years it's no big deal. I use tuff backbouncing, pulling plugs and would use nothing else in the bouy 10 area. Example, I was above the bridge when my rod went off, one run striaght of the stern, back to the boat mr. nooker, then a screaming run off the starbord side, straight towards the stern of a boat fishing 4 rods, thumb down, and I yelled I was thumbing him as hard as I could, up revvs the kicker and 2 of the 4 rigs were clear, but now I've fot twwo righ on my fisn, no problem, I got tuff they got mono, tuff wins every time,.............. Absolutely love that line for salmon fishing......... my 0.02 worth

Wally02

08-21-2002, 10:47 PM

Thanks guys,
I think the consensus of the board is 50 - 80# Tuf line
and a stout 40# + leader.
Mono leader?
and about those SW WA rivers.......... I am sure you already know them ;-)

One more question. My rod (loomis 8') is only rated for 30# test.
What type of rods do you guys use for bank bobber fishing nooks

I've always just fished for steelies and silvers

crabbait

08-21-2002, 10:57 PM

I have an LCI 9' Tillamook 30/30 Special that is the big gun for bobber fishing. It is only rated to 30lbs. Most of the time I use a Berkley IM-7 rated to 50lbs because I prefer the smaller diameter cork and the slightly softer tip for lobbing eggs.

The local bank guys all use the long Harrington fiberglass rods and I may have to get one just because they are cool.

I think any rod at least 8 1/2' long and rated to 30lbs will work. I do not rely on the line rating to save my rod. It is the drag setting and knowing how much pressure to exert with an educated thumb that matters.

Leader I use is 40lb Maxima Ultra Green or Chameleon.

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rooksdad

08-22-2002, 12:49 AM

Try this on braided line when bobber fishing. Treat about 50 yards of your tuff line with dry fly dressing it will make your line float and it lasts for several trips. When the bobber goes down, theres no sunkin slack to recover like with mono and you don't have the mess of wax.

TheRogue

08-22-2002, 06:34 AM

there's another one sneakin' in!!! Good start by having a tech post...how about an introduction!

SailCat

08-22-2002, 10:25 AM

Just gotta sneak in the annual Fall plug for Power Pro line (disclaimer: no personal association or affiliation to the company myself). This stuff just rocks and is, IMHO, the best of the high-tech lines. Unlike Tuf or Spiderwire, it's hard-braided round shape is smaller in diameter for the pound test, allows the use of conventional knots and reduces the tendancy to 'dig in' to spools.

While lund did mention Power Pro, the distinction should be made for this line of other types ... it's really that good.

The use of fly line dressing, Mucelin or anything else is unnecessary because (as with all high-tech braids) it's unsinkable, just like polypropylene rope.

Regarding the rod, my preference is for the extra sweep of a nine-footer. I use a Kunan (no longer manufactured) rated at 30 pounds.

Tight braided lines and see ya on the river!

~MT
The Guide's Forecast (http://www.theguidesforecast.com)

fishuntr2

08-22-2002, 10:33 AM

Another power pro fan here. Stuff is great, don't have to spool xtra tight and won't dig into the spool. Currently runnining 30lb, but am upgrading to 50Lb High-vis.

Get Bent

08-22-2002, 10:40 AM

Fifty pound Power Pro on my drift rod. I'll be putting it through a major workout in a week. Reports will come in that next weekend.

BigSpinner

08-22-2002, 06:41 PM

Is 80lb line a little over kill. I use 20lb mono for fall chinook and it works great.

Jeremy,

Salmonator

08-22-2002, 06:48 PM

You're either catching sick chinook or little chinook if you can say 20lb mono works fine :grin: 80lb spectra might be overkill as far as stopping a fish (most use 30-50lb leaders so the break would occur before the mainline break strength) but there's other benefits as already mentioned above.

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Spoiled Daddy

08-22-2002, 07:14 PM

Gee... Being so new to the board and all I would hate to offend anyone, but braided line is the only way to go for bobber fishing. Much easier to handle and if you load it on your reel properly, it should not bury itself. Floats better and is easier to handle around stumps, downed branches, etc...

SD

Lepper

08-22-2002, 07:39 PM

20lb to light for chinook? Not if you do it right.. I used 25lb last year, and caught many a slamon over the 30lb mark. just had to play them a while.. This year I am up to 40lb main. But I am getting ready to move to either 50 or 80 lb tuff... I just gotta try it.
dave

Get Bent

08-22-2002, 08:15 PM

The size of line that is used depends on the water you are fishing. If you are fishing water that is either crowded with people or trees/brush then it's a better idea to have the heavier line. If you've got the time and/or space to play the fish then lighter can be okay, as long as the water temps aren't too warm.

TheRogue

08-22-2002, 08:16 PM

For years, I thought 20lb line was on the heavy side!!! Many, many fish rooted out of the roots and stumps on the Salmon river. Used to be trolling in the Rogue bay, many used 15lb main with 20lb leader. I NEVER broke off a fish in the Rogue my entire life on 20lb test.

20lb too light?? Naw, but if you're fishing at the Hospital Hole, PC boat ramp, or other wonderful places, be prepared to catch absolute he!! for not horsing your fish in.

kyle

fishbait

08-22-2002, 08:40 PM

Crabbait, wanna sell that LCI 30/30 tillamook special, best bobber rod I ever fished with, and I have lami and loomis that take second place... light and strong. If it's still 9ft, I'll pay to dollar.......... and those of you fishing 20 lb leader/main, please keep it up, cause when you do hook that big 57 or 63 pound Tillamook pig you will not land her and I will then get my chance if she bites again. It's not the breaking strength its the tooth abraision resistance.

Flatfish

08-22-2002, 09:54 PM

50 tuf for all salmon in small rivers.Thinking of going to 80 soon.Leaders too.Lost a K-16 a few years back that still brings a lump into my throat.A true can't miss plug.With 80 you can pull the fish out of a stump and fight him(her)in the open.You can also retreive that prized Kwikfish from a stump too.
See you on the water.
Mark.

Dan Christopher

08-23-2002, 12:12 AM

come on ,,everyone chant with me

power pro, power pro, power pro, power pro, power pro, power pro, power pro, power pro,

MasterCaster

08-23-2002, 01:16 PM

TheRogue......

I actually fish the boat ramp in PC through most of the fall and love it!! I use 25# Big Game mainline and same for leader and have never had a problem playing and landing fish I do not horse my fish either.. From 20# up to 43#. I hear alot of greif given about the area and most of it comes from the people that dont fish it much. Most of the guys there know each other and are just joking around. I will admit though there are some guys that are just flat out rude.

Just my .02

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

BigSpinner

08-23-2002, 06:07 PM

Thanks guys, this is what this board is for. I was just wondering if it was overkill to use big line and what you thought about it. Everyone does things a little diffrent but if it works then great. I hope to see you all out on the water this fall.

Jeremy,